Introduction

PAGE CONTENTS

STOP PRESS – PERSONAL COMMUTER? – INTRODUCTION – THE REAL REASON FOR “CHEMTRAILS”? – FREEFALL & TERMINAL VELOCITY – HOW TO MAKE SNOW – VISION – CONTRAIL Q&A – STAR’s RESOURCES – A SINGLE LONG-RANGE FLIGHT AND AN OCEAN LINER! – MY YOUTUBE PRESENCE – PEAK OIL – SNAKE OIL – AMAZING PLANE TRAIL – A SKEPTIC’S BOOKSHELF

Don’t forget my other pages, links and comments are one click away at the top right of the page

ICE CRYSTALS AND HALOS

Polar ice crystal samples

The link “Atmospheric Optics and more” will help anyone to understand the reasons underlying the many discrete halo features which are both probable and possible. It also gets a mention under “Ignorance” on my page here.

STOP PRESS

14th December ’11 – Free Fall and Terminal Velocity on this page

5th December ’11 – Ice Crystals and Halos on this page

18th January ’11 – 9-11 VORTEX in “Trails Seen from Space”

14th January ’11 – THE REAL REASON FOR  “Chemtrails” on this page.

18th December ’10 – CHAFF (& RADAR) in “Careful With That Cloud”

11th December ’10 – WAKES OF WAR in “WW2 CONTRAIL STORY”

02 August ’10 – OBZELITE in “Breathtaking quotes” in “Genuine Bull”

16th July ’10 – MORONS STUMBLE INTO OFFICE in “Driving Round Town”

10th July ’10 – JONES JOINS IN in “Jet Spray”

24th June ’10 – SNAKE OIL and more on my YT presence on this page

19th June ’10 – SUPERCOMPUTING THE CLIMATE in “Penrod”

13th June ’10 – CSI FLAKES CNUTS in “Contrails”

03rd June ’10 – FUN IN THE SUN in “Established”

19th May ’10 – MAKING THE 777 in “Me Driving Round Town”

05th May ’10 – HOLE PUNCH SATELLITE CHEMTRAILS in “Here”

23rd April ’10 – VOLCANIC ASS, ER, ASH in “Trails didn’t exist back then”

13th April ’10 – “TRUTHSEEKER” SITES BANNING HYPOCRISY on this page

09th April ’10 – OUTSIDE IN in “Not Coming”

07th April ’10 – THE STORY OF STUFF in “Stratosphere”

26th March ’10 – KSLA in “Jet Spray”

25th March ’10 – MY YOUTUBE PRESENCE on this page

4th March ’10 – MORE ABOUT VORTICES in “Trails Seen From Space”

23rd February ’10 – FALLACIES in “Established”

19th February ’10 – SONIC BOOM MEETS SUNDOG in “Stratosphere”

16th February ’10 – DISCOVERY? in “Another Page from YouTube”

11th February ’10 – 91177info in “Another Page from YouTube”

3rd February ’10 – CHEMTRAILS AND FALSIFICATION in “Careful With That Cloud”

2nd February ’10 – NOMEANSNO in “Not Coming”

15th January ’10 – THE WORLD METEOROLOGICAL ORGANIZATION in “6 Porkies”

10th January ’10 – STAR’s RESOURCES on this page

08th January ’10 – “Chemtrails” video in “Bamboozled”

03rd December ’09 – “JET STREAMS” in “JET SPRAY”

29th November ’09 – “EXACTLY WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?” on this page.

27th November ’09 – “YouTube 3” in YouTube SLUGS IT OUT in “YOGHURTS”

12th November ’09 – “YouTube 2” in “YOGURTS” and “PEAK OIL” on this page.

23rd October ’09 – “CHEMTRAILS” in “Careful With That Cloud”

20th October ’09 – “GLOBAL WARMING IS A MYTH” reworked in “GLOBAL DIMMING”

15th October ’09 – “REVEAL EARTH’S ATMOSPHERE” in “6 PORKIES”

13th October ’09 – “YouTube 1” IN “YOGURTS”

9th October ’09 – “HOW TO MAKE SNOW” on this page.

6th October ’09 – “DEFINITELY” in “D BOOTS THE DIVA”

4th October ’09 – “CREPUSCULAR SHADOWS” in “Circle of Confusion”

27th September ’09 – “BOENOID” in “BAMBOOZLED”

26th September ’09 – “CONTRAILS” on this page

22nd September ’09 – “GW ROOM 103” in “Global Dimming”

8th September ’09 – “BLUE LIGHT SCATTERING” in “BAMBOOZLED”

1st September ’09 – “RUSHFAN” in “ROBERT”

20th August ’09 – “AEROSOLS” IN “6 PORKIES” and “(THEY ARE) LEGION” in “JET SPRAY”
13th August ’09 – “A BLACK HOLE” in “BAMBOOZLED”
11th August ’09 – “FRACTALS IN NATURE” in “ESTABLISHED”
8th August ’09 – “EXPONENTIAL TIMES” in “ESTABLISHED”
4th August ’09 – “THE END OF LITTLE GREY MEN” in “THE EARTH ROTATES”
29th July ’09 – SKEWED VIEWS OF SCIENCE in “STRATOSPHERE”
26th July ’09 – BALONEY DETECTION KIT in “BAMBOOZLED”
19th July ’09 – THE CASE AGAINST CHEMTRAILS and STARS15K’s REFERENCE LIST in “Careful With That Cloud”
12th July ’09 – MEAT in “LETTER”
11th July ’09 – AGW DENIALIST FRAUD in ““GLOBAL DIMMING”
21st June ’09 – UNCINUS added to “BREATHTAKING QUOTES” in ““GENUINE BULL”
20th June ’09 – Richard Dawkins’s book reviews in A SKEPTIC’S BOOKSHELF on this page (an article on Creationist Dirty Tricks to follow)
19th June ’09 – “MINNIS AT WORK” in “Driving Around Town” and “STERN’S ‘DUMBEST CONSPIRACY EVER” in “SLEEPS”
9th June ’09 – “SOME REAL SCIENCE” in “PENROD”
6th June ’09 – “ISSUE (2)” in “ISSUE”
2nd June ’09 – “Genuine Professionals” in “Genuine Bull”
29th May ’09 – “Disproving AGW” IN “Global Dimming”
24th May ’09 – “The Skies over Britain” in “What’s It All About?”
22nd May ’09 – “WAKEUPCALLCHANNEL Control” in ““WWII Persistent Contrail Story”
21st May ’09 – “Friends” in ““Music from my Synth – Jazz/Rock”
20th May ’09 – “Big Gun FIRES” in “Global Dimming”
15th May ’09 – “A SKEPTIC’S BOOKSHELF” on this page…
10th May ’09 – “BREATHTAKING QUOTES” in “GENUINE BULL”
9th May ’09 – “AMAZING PLANE TRAILS” on this page…
8th May ’09 – “Watts up with THAT?” in “Trails didn’t exist back then”
7th May ’09 – “Global Warming Room 102” in “Global Dimming”
1st May ’09 – “TRUTH ORIGINS” in “Trails didn’t exist back then”
30th April ’09 – The Theory of Everything in “Established”
30th April ’09 – David Cenciotti’s Weblog in “D Boots the Diva”
29th April ’09 – Contrail Article by Airliners.net in “Contrails”
28th April ’09 – Website “ChemCon Alert” arrives in “Circle of Confusion”
23rd April ’09 – Contrailscience Comedy Spot in “Contrails”
22nd April ’09 – Ian Plimer is convincing in “Global Dimming”
2nd April ’09 – “Andrew Johnson” (to be cont’d.) in “Another Waste of Time”
25th March ’09 – “Will Thomas” (NOT cont’d.) in “Trails didn’t exist back then…”

I think he DID believe it, but didn’t want his “punters” to do so. He CLOSED DOWN his comments section. I took a copy…

Personal Commuter?

INTRODUCTION

This blog is a compendium of most of my activities at first on most of YouTube’s “chemtrail” video comments boxes during the latter half of 2007, continuing on into 2008, where I was banned from YouTube (following a comments campaign against all the sites promoting their fraudulent presentation of a Boeing 777LR prototype aircraft as a spraying aircraft). I then spent time at David Icke’s website forum, the Outlaw website forum, and “All Aircraft are Not Involved”. All of these promoted chemtrail speculation, without allowing contrary views.
As I write in December 2011 I am subscribed to “Opposing Digits”, “ConCen”, and “League of Reason” website forums, but have spent little time there. Forums which are open to debate don’t cover this topic. Forums which aren’t seem to be collapsing, or else have hardened their ranks against debunking – as if it were the greater sin…

The National Gas Turbine Establishment, Pyestock, Hants

This blog uses hypertext, so you can click on it and read the references revealed.

My interest arose from my perceiving that the MAIN ARGUMENT of ‘chemtrailers’  – “persistent contrails are ‘chemtrails’ because ordinary contrails fade away” – is FALSE.

I am a scientist and engineer, having begun my career way back in 1962 as a student apprentice aeroengineer working at the National Gas Turbine Establishment, Pyestock.
https://jazzroc.wordpress.com/about/
Following an exposition on the nature of contrails, this blog is alphabetically-sorted under titles which are either the correspondent or the topic under consideration. It is often angry (a characteristic of chemtrailers, who believe they hold the moral high ground) but is worth persisting with, for it uncovers many fascinating aspects of this multiple paranoia.
In spite of what you may have heard:
Contrails are the only trails regularly produced by high-flying aircraft, and have been known to be persistent on occasion since 1922.
They are produced by either the freezing temperature acting on steam (which is the combustion product of the aircraft’s engines), or also the reduction in pressure of the air flowing over its wings bringing dissolved water vapor out of solution in the atmosphere.
There have been no cases of poisoning, no samples of fuel ever found to contain poison, no aircraft found ever to contain poison tanks, and no whistleblowers (out of hundreds of thousands of aircraft and airport workers).
The real reason for the increasing persistence of contrails is the increase in air travel, which has increased FIFTYfold since the mid-fifties.
In NO CASE have any of my many “chemtrail” correspondents EVER argued the SCIENCE of the matter.
Their normal response is to immediately label my argument (normally a scientific one) as “disinformation”, which leaves me rather baffled, and forces me to go on the offensive, and pick out the logical flaws (rich pickings) with which I am left. I am reminded of a quote from the late Andrew Lobacewski’s “Political Ponerology” which follows:

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“The psychological features of each such crisis are unique to the culture and the time, but one common denominator that exists at the beginning of all such “bad times” is an exacerbation of society’s hysterical condition. The emotionalism dominating in individual, collective, and political life, combined with the subconscious selection and substitution of data in reasoning, lead to individual and national egotism. The mania for taking offense at the drop of a hat provokes constant retaliation, taking advantage of hyperirritability and hypocriticality on the part of others. It is this feature, this hystericization of society, that enables pathological plotters, snake charmers, and other primitive deviants to act as essential factors in the processes of the origination of evil on a macro-social scale.”

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I have (mostly) deferred to American English usage and spelling since that is the majority of origin. Text by anyone else is in italics. I have on occasion added comments (I’ve been learning too!) which I have prefixed with an asterisk*.
A word about people who have helped me directly and indirectly. First and foremost is Uncinus of contrailscience, who has helped me to confront the mysteries of WordPress, as well as providing me and everyone else with good advice and courtesy in both the physics of the atmosphere and the gentle art of reason.
And my thanks to Steve Andrews, the Bard of Ely, who put me on to this subject in the first place, argued furiously with me at first, became persuaded of my reasoning, and graciously became my champion. Steve has a heart of gold.
And a word about your comments. I’ll publish them when they genuinely advance everyone’s understanding. Hatemail, or uninformed dissension from anonymous people will be removed. Here we go…

THE REAL REASON FOR “CHEMTRAILS”??

They are a MYTH constructed for the gullible by the cynical.
Advertising revenue is available to the cynically-employed. All they have to do is stimulate turnover on their site, in the manner described in “How to start a Chemtrail Scare for Fun and Profit” at my page entitled “Here”.

A recent note from a friend clarifies this:

FREEFALL & TERMINAL VELOCITY

A tribute to the pioneering of Col Joe Kittinger. You can make the distinction between the above terms here:

HOW TO MAKE SNOW

This shows a quick way to do this. Of course, the weather outside is minus twenty degrees. You’ll notice that water in its liquid and vapor forms wastes no time turning into a fine white smoke reminiscent of – a contrail.

Contrails are formed at even colder temperatures in the stratosphere, where the air pressure is two-tenths of what it is at sea level. But they too are ICE.

VISION

CONTRAIL Q&A

This I have shamelessly lifted from “Contrail Education” at:
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/faq.html
Chemtrailers will often tell you that “authorities” and “the powers that be” will never give you information about chemtrails. This is quite true, but for the same reason that it’s hard to get information about fairies. The authorities are, on the other hand, eager to give anyone who asks information about contrails…

Q: Where do contrails form?
A: Contrails are human-induced clouds that usually form at very high altitudes (usually above 8 km – about 26,000 ft) where the air is extremely cold (less than -40ºC). Because of this, contrails form not when an airplane is taking off or landing, but while it is at cruise altitude. (Exceptions occur in places like Alaska and Canada, where very cold air is sometimes found near the ground.) Thus, people who live under major air traffic routes, not people who live near major airports, are those who will see the most contrails. (However, some major airports are also under major air traffic routes, which can lead to confusion.) You can use an Appleman chart to predict contrail formation for your area. Of course, a contrail cannot form if no airplane passes through.
Q: Why are there more short-lived contrails than persistent contrails?
A: For a particular geographical location, it may seem that there are more of one type of contrail than another. Actually, the type and number seems to depend on the amount of moisture and temperature in the atmosphere where the plane is flying. If the area is fairly dry, then more short-lived contrails might be observed. If there is more moisture, such as along the east coast of the United States, there might be more persistent contrails observed. To look at observations from other areas, you might like to visit the GLOBE website and click on the Data Access button.
http://www.globe.gov/r
Q: What causes the swirling pattern in a contrail?
A: The swirling pattern in a contrail is caused by the vortices coming from the tip of the aircraft. A vortex is a swirling of air coming from underneath the tip of the plane and wrapping upward over the top of the wingtip. This is due to the difference in pressure caused by the curved shape of the wing. The process of having less pressure on the top of the wing and more pressure on the bottom of the wing provides “lift” for the aircraft.
Q: Why are we able to see contrails on some days but not on other days?
A: In order for the contrail to form, there must be enough moisture in the high levels of the atmosphere for the ice crystals to form around the airplane exhaust. If the upper atmosphere is very dry, contrails will not easily form, or will be of the short-lived type.
Q: Do contrails drastically affect weather patterns?
A: Originally scientists believed that the contrails behaved like cirrus clouds to actually make the climate warmer. However, there have been studies conducted that have scientists rethinking their earlier ideas about contrails. This is one of the major questions that has to be researched at NASA and one of the reasons we are putting so much emphasis on contrails. When air traffic over the US was halted after the 9-11 incident, scientists got a rare look at the skies with only a few military jets flying. They were able to analyze the effects of some of these contrails and realized that their earlier notions about contrails’ effects were not totally accurate.
Q: Has there ever been observation of rain from contrails?
A: Typically, rain clouds are low level clouds which are made up of water molecules. These water molecules then come together to form water drops (liquid) which eventually fall to the ground as rain drops. Since contrails are high level clouds, the moisture within them forms ice crystals which do not come together to form any form of precipitation (rain).
Q: Why are contrails white? Contrails are formed from the exhaust of an air plane. We usually think of exhaust as being black and dirty.
A: Almost all cloud droplets (and snowflakes) have a very small particle (aerosol) at their core. But the particle is MUCH smaller than the cloud/ice/snow particle. When light passes through the crystal, it is reflected or bent (refracted) by the cloud or ice particle, which makes it appear white to an observer. Therefore, what makes the contrail look white is the water (frozen into a crystal), rather than the exhaust particle. Note that sometimes the optical effects through these crystals can also produce colors, much like rainbows in water drops. You will only see these when the Sun-crystal-you geometry is aligned in certain ways.
Q: Why can we see a jet high in the sky, yet it is not making a contrail?
A: For a contrail to form there must be enough moisture in the air and the temperature must be cold enough to form ice crystals at the altitude at which the jet is flying. If the temperature is too warm or the air too dry, contrails will not form.
Q: There is a persistent contrail in the sky, and the middle portion of the contrail has disappeared. Is the disappearance caused by wind or air temperature?
A: For all or part of the contrail to disappear, there is a lack of moisture to maintain formation of the ice crystals. It may be possible for air currents to move drier air into the area of the contrail, which would cause that portion of the contrail to evaporate.
Q: Why are so many of the persistent contrails we see so narrow in width, almost a pencil line?
A: The type of contrail you are describing is a persistent contrail, and, in particular, one which is non-spreading. For a persistent contrail to spread, there must be enough extra moisture in the air for additional ice crystals to form. If there is a limited supply of moisture, a persistent contrail may form, but will not spread.
Q: In which layer of the atmosphere do we normally see contrails?
A: Contrails usually form in the upper portion of the troposphere and in the lower stratosphere where jet aircraft normally fly, generally between about 8 and 12 km altitude (~26,000 to 39,000 feet). They can also form closer to the ground when the air is very cold and has enough moisture.
Q: Is it possible to observe contrails as indicators of changing weather?
A: If a contrail is persistent or persistent spreading, then the upper atmosphere contains large amounts of moisture. If a contrail is short-lived, then the upper atmosphere is relatively dry. This was used by sailors and can be used today to somewhat predict the weather. Short-lived contrails may indicate fair weather, and persistent contrails may indicate an approaching change in the weather or precipitation. The weather signal is somewhat analogous to that of natural cirrus clouds.
Q: There were two planes in the sky. One was flying north/south and left a persistent contrail. The other plane was flying east/west and did not leave a contrail. Why did one plane leave a contrail, but the other did not?
A: The two planes were flying at different altitudes – air traffic control has rules for spacing flights in different directions – so that the north-south flight path contained more moisture or was at a lower temperature than the east-west flight-path. The amount of moisture in the stratosphere* can change considerably in a short vertical distance. It depends strongly on the origin of the particular air mass. There are also variations in the efficiency of aircraft engines, which can affect whether or not a particular plane will leave a contrail.

• The stratosphere has different properties from the troposphere, which we are familiar with, because we live in it. The stratosphere is stable, and layered, and counterintuitively is COLDEST at its base – the tropopause. The layers of which it’s comprised vary in thickness from tens to thousands of feet. “Stratum” is the Latin for “layer”.

STAR’s RESOURCES

I’m happy to include here STARS15K’s reference list – all except my own site and some spoof sites. By leafing through this material and absorbing it, you could become sufficiently science-aware to be able to continue this blog yourself, for example. 🙂
http://pdf.aiaa.org/preview/CDReadyMASM06_778/PV2006_1414.pdf
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-articles/read.main?id=85
http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0450(1997)036%3C1211%3AAEMTPW%3E2.0.CO%3B2&ct=1
http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/94176.pdf
http://www.answers.com/topic/chemtrail-conspiracy-theory
http://www.answers.com/topic/contrail
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/science.html
http://www.borderlands.com/contrails/contrail.htm
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/contrail.html
http://contrail.gi.alaska.edu/misc/Stuefer_HyannisOct04.pdf
http://contrailscience.com/
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/policy_guidance/envir_policy/media/contrails.pdf
http://facstaff.uww.edu/travisd/pdf/climatepapermar04.pdf
http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_sr/?src=/climate/ipcc/aviation/038.htm
http://www.iangoddard.com/contrail.htm
http://www.iangoddard.com/contral2.htm
ftp://ftp.pa.op.dlr.de/pub/Gierens/TAC/Gierens_contrails_oral_060629.pdf
http://pdf.aiaa.org/preview/CDReadyMASM06_778/PV2006_1414.pdf
http://profhorn.aos.wisc.edu/wxwise/AckermanKnox/chap15/contrail_applet.html (this site has a graph for you to set conditions and will fly a plane with the expected contrail formation at the top)
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/contrail_controversy.shtml
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/1997/B/199701880.html
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/1999/A/199900242.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/04/040428061056.htm
http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/media/news6-97.html
http://students.ou.edu/J/Thomas.A.Jones-1/contrail.html
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/fgz/science/contrail.php?wfo=fgz
http://www-angler.larc.nasa.gov/satimage/products.html
http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/sass-ref.html
http://deoxy.org/meme/AviationSmog_Talk
http://www.areco.org/pdf/ParticulateEmissionsJetEngines1996.pdf
http://www.csicop.org/si/2009-02/radford.html
http://biblion.epfl.ch/EPFL/theses/2004/2975/EPFL_TH2975.pdf
http://www.knmi.nl/velthove/aircraft.html
http://www.epa.gov/oms/regs/nonroad/aviation/contrails.pdf
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14605078/Contrails-facts
http://www.pa.op.dlr.de/pa1c/GRL22_1501-1504_1995.pdf
http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_sr/?src=/climate/ipcc/aviation/035.htm (this link has many chapters, be sure and drop the menu down to get the full report.)
http://www.atmos-chem-phys-discuss.net/7/13175/2007/acpd-7-13175-2007-print.pdf
http://www.skepdic.com/chemtrails.html
http://chemcon.2020oregon.net
http://www.dropletmeasurement.com/ (I just found this link on a chemtrail board. The poster claimed it showed chemspray planes. It doesn’t, it shows a company that does sampling and measurement IN SITU. I keep telling people that’s how a contrail would have to be tested, and this company can and does just that.)
http://www.contrails.nl/contrails-research/various%2001.htm
http://www.astro.ku.dk/holger/IDA/notes.html (This site is older and some links might not work. It is a good representation that contrails are studied all over the world, though)
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/resources/activities/appleman_student.html
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4027http://www.dhmo.org/
http://www.thebulletin.org/files/064002006_0.pdf A really well-done, balanced piece on geo-engineering. Not about chemtrails, but a good guide to use when considering that as a possible use/motive for chemtrail use.
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/resources/presentations/contrails_scool.pdf
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13115866/Chemtrailscc-the-Not-So-Secret-Ingredient-022009 This is a pro-CT publication, but has a diagram of the chemical process of jet fuel through an engine and a statement that any metallic aerosol will remain suspended for days. These go against what I’ve been told by CT here. The conclusions reached, I do not agree with. Other research has shown that the barium in Stadis 450 after combustion is significantly small enough it might even NOT show on certain tests, being within the expected “norm” of background.
http://profhorn.aos.wisc.edu/wxwise/AckermanKnox
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2004/04/19/leaving-a-trail/
http://www.atoptics.co.uk/rayshad.htm This is the entire site address, which is very cool. It also contains past galleries I have only begun to explore.
http://www.atoptics.co.uk/atoptics/contr1.htm This shows contrail shadows, aka ‘black beams’ or ‘black contrails’. There are two pages with explanations.
http://www.atoptics.co.uk/fz215.htm This page shows contrail shadows, but most importantly, two jets flying at the same altitude with different contrails. The reason? Something stated often, difference in the jet engines. One is more efficient than the other. So it happens, but for a known reason.

A SINGLE LONG-RANGE FLIGHT AND AN OCEAN LINER

What could they possibly have in common? (Except that they might share the same route.) Well it is this: in a saturated stratosphere, a five thousand kilometre flight of a long-range jumbo jet is able to release EIGHTY THOUSAND TONS of water ice into the air. This is the weight of a large ocean liner in water ice…
“No! Get away with you! This cannot be true!”, I hear you say. But it IS true.
From the paper “Contrails to Cirrus—Morphology, Microphysics, and Radiative Properties”:
http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/journals/atlas_JAMC2006.pdf
“The average ice water per meter along the length of the contrail is 16 Kg per meter.” That means a 5000 kilometer flight (THROUGH SATURATED AIR) would put down 80,000 tons of trail material… Whoa! Wait a minute! Isn’t a jumbo’s fuel load about 250 tons? So where does the rest come from? The answer is OUT OF THE ATMOSPHERE! Read the paper for yourself.

“Look up” say chemtrailers, “they are spraying you!”
Well, they are NOT. The ice formed by combusting kerosine for the plane’s jet engines is SEEDING the deposition of further ice out of the saturated air. Furthermore, that ice never falls directly as rain. Instead it evaporates into lower tropospheric air, and might, a day or a week or a month later, take its part in the country’s rainfall.
Sadly, the best region for smooth and stable long-distance flight is this very cold and sensitive region of the tropopause and lower stratosphere, and its occasional huge reaction sends a visual message of change to those people who neither possess or seek understanding of the science underlying it (and consequently don’t have the right to pronounce upon it) – chemtrailers.
But that “message of change” is distorted beyond meaning. At present, scientists say, the effect upon the atmosphere of all this deposition is “within the noise”, meaning that no significant changes to the weather have taken place. Fifty years from now, if air transport continues to increase at today’s rate, then persistent contrails will significantly affect the weather.
Ah, but fifty years from now we will have run out of oil…

MY YOUTUBE PRESENCE

I am present at the YouTube channel “beachcomber2008“.

My main interest is in the development and promotion of a practical self-sufficiency in food and housing as a default state and natural right of existence.

…and contains within it such nuggets:

—-ANTARCTIC CHALLENGE—-
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=VST38YI4

—-SMALL CHANGE FOR BIG CHANGE—-
Ralph Nader has been about a bit….
Maybe his book is the other jaw of a pincer movement.

—-PERMACULTURE IS THE ONLY SUSTAINABLE FUTURE
as it is a process of healing both for the planet and the human soul
Both deeply practical and analytical, permaculture is OUR ONLY REAL HOPE

—-F-L-Y-I-N-G—S-A-U-C-E-R-S—A-N-D
—-R-E-L-A-T-E-D—M-Y-T-H-S—A-N-D
—-T-H-E—H-U-N-T—F-O-R—R-E-D
—-O-C-T-O-B-E-R—-
These began in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947.
They were the result of REAL SCIENCE EXPERIMENTATION in the Cold War period immediately after the Second World War.
These secrets are now in the public domain.
Unfortunately, so is the “flying saucer” myth which emanated from the US gov’t’s PUBLIC FALSE EXPLANATION
Richard Muller explains all in this marvellous lecture.

—-E-M-E-R-G-E-N-C-E—-
“Emergence” is a property of Nature, which from the very simplest possible origin has developed an ever-increasing complexity.
At every point in time of this expansion and complexity increase, and triggered by the random event of the moment, Nature’s properties have exhibited, do exhibit, and will exhibit an increase in complexity by the addition of a new ecological form of existence – an additional plane of reality – an entirely new way of BEING..
The emergence of life from non-life is such a case, as is that of evolution and the emergence of plants and animals, the emergence of the human brain and language.
As Murray Gell-Mann states “You don’t need more stuff to get more stuff!”

The failure of our species to recognize this, along with its need to dominate and control itself, has caused us to commit our biggest error – RELIGION.
Only if, and not until, we to a man adopt a rational and natural approach to life, and forswear ALL religion as fiction, will we solve the Earth’s problems and travel to the stars.
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H. G. WELLS’S “WAR OF THE WORLDS” WONDERFUL QUOTES

“We have learned now that we cannot regard this planet as being fenced in and a secure abiding place for Man; we can never anticipate the unseen good or evil that may come upon us suddenly out of space.”

“Few people realise the immensity of vacancy in which the dust of the material universe swims.”

“By the toll of a billion deaths man has bought his birthright of the earth, and it is his against all comers.
For neither do men live nor die in vain.”

SEA WATER FARMING COULD BEAT GW
Using 38 species of salt-tolerant plants along 37,000 miles of desert coastland could save the planet for human beings.

WATCH MICHAEL RUPPERT
What we have been saying will happen IS happening right now.
We’re past PEAK OIL, and nothing will ever be the same ever again.
Considering the next three decades, life decisions from now on will always have a “or death” element to them, and it will be an ever-increasing element. The sooner that you consider making such a (better-informed) life-decision, the less threatening will be your future.
Be sure to watch this video: “COLLAPSE”
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=7SJYAHD6

CREATING EDEN
At present Man is a careless parasite of the Earth. My ambition is to see Man face up to the task of becoming the gardener of the earth. There is no finer ambition for the first sapient ape in the Universe than to create “Eden”… and for the first time.

MUSICAL HISTORY
Check out my musical playlist, which is a sporadic journey backwards through time sampling the music I enjoyed.

THE THOUGHTS OF EPICTETUS:
Be careful to leave your sons well instructed rather than rich, for the hopes of the instructed are better than the wealth of the ignorant.
Control your passions lest they take vengeance on you.
Difficulties are things that show a person who he is.
Do not seek to bring things to pass in accordance with your wishes, but wish for them as they are, and you will find them.
First learn the meaning of what you say, and then speak.
First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do.
Freedom is not procured by a full enjoyment of what is desired, but by controlling the desire.
A wise man does not grieve for things he hasn’t, but rejoices for those he has.
If evil is spoken of you and it’s true, correct yourself, if it’s a lie, laugh at it.
If one oversteps the bounds of moderation, the greatest pleasures cease to please.
If your brother wrongs you, remember not so much his wrongdoing, but more than ever that he is your brother.
If you seek truth you will not seek victory by dishonorable means, and if you find truth you will become invincible

About Me: I’m a very skeptical guy. To convince me you have to present me with incontrovertible evidence.
There are some obvious facts about life which appear to be insufficiently considered by everyone. Namely these:
i) People are in general too incompetent to be perfect bastards
ii) If you’re cold it’s better to put on a woolly than light a fire
iii) Your back garden can grow more food than you could believe, and
iv) You’re the first earth animal to have developed an intellectual capability, so respect nature, garden the earth and nurture all life.

In my opinion, if we hold the above in our forethought we stand every chance in building Eden.
We need to appreciate how much more powerful we all will be if we work WITH nature and not against it.
Religion is a great enemy of this approach (science – subjecting reality to analysis and devising strategies to improve upon it) and so I am a great enemy of it.

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WHAT TO DO WITH A CHEMTRAIL VIDEO

1. RATE it ONE STAR every time you visit.
2. FLAG comments which support the video with a RED THUMBSDOWN.
3. STATE clearly and simply in the COMMENTS exactly why you believe the video to be fraudulent or inciting hatred.
5. FLAG the video for incitement to hatred, and FLAG IT ONCE MORE for fraudulent claims if either or both is appropriate. STATE clearly and simply in the comments exactly why you believe the video to be fraudulent or inciting hatred.
6. WRITE to the channel explaining exactly why you have taken the actions you have.

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The reason we have not been able to find any legitimate proof that chemtrails exist is because they simply do not exist. The term is an internet creation to make condensation trails aka contrails sound more sinister.
When you actually look at the facts you can see the argument in support of these chemtrails quickly reduces to nothing more than a bundle of pseudo-science, assumptions, misguided correlations and unqualified uneducated personal testimony.
I have yet to find for myself one argument for the existence of these chemtrails that does not skirt around the real results from real studies from real accredited sources. Instead, I have just found these arguments to resort to personal attacks and contradictory statements.
For example, how can one argue that the government is lying to us to cover this up and at the same time use government information taken out of context as the proof chemtrails exist? Logically, if this is the huge conspiracy, involving thousands of people, falsified studies and an extreme government cover up, wouldn’t it be the simplest thing for these conspirators to simply remove these links?
Of course, this is speculation on my part and should be taken as such. Though I have been a professional in this matter I don’t believe anyone should be convinced on my word alone just as I will never be convinced by your word alone.
What we do have, however, is science and legitimate information. Anyone can access these studies and weigh both sides of this argument and make an educated decision. For me the answer is simple; chemtrails do not exist and so this conspiracy does not exist.
Contrails DO exist. Everyday, the number of airplanes in our skies increases as does the number of contrails they leave behind.
Instead of trying to justify our paranoia with fictional conspiracies, we should be looking at what is actually going on in the world we have created for ourselves.
Our air is polluted, our water is polluted, our earth is polluted, we don’t need to create something like “chemtrails” to prove this. Instead of creating “government conspiracy” in our minds we should acknowledge the real perpetrators – ourselves.
We drive the cars, we fly in the planes, and we ignore the effect each one of us has on the environment around us. No one wants to see the blood on one’s own hands… It is easier to blame some external enemy than to acknowledge one’s own contribution to an increasingly polluted planet.
We desperately need to stop pointing fingers and start taking responsibility for our own actions.
We need to ask ourselves the hard questions; “What actions or inactions am I taking that contribute to the problem and what am I doing to create a solution?”
The answer is yours, and yours alone, to reconcile with yourself.
“As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities.” -Voltaire

Written by Manmanatee on August 4, 2009. (It took me almost a year to rediscover the originator. Ed – 25th July 2010.)

PEAK OIL

SNAKE OIL

A SKEPTIC’S BOOKSHELF

This is just the start of what I have discovered to be an over-ambitious project. I therefore welcome the assistance of ANYONE who has either read a book on this list for which there is an inadequate reference or description, which he or she can improve on, or knows of a book that should be on this list, and would kindly give me the info. I shall quote your entry. 🙂

The Millenium Project Bookshop – 96 books about Pseudoscience. (Courtesy of the Millennium Project.)

This is a collection of books related to the Pseudoscience category in The Millenium Project. All commissions from sales in the Health Fraud, Vaccination and Pseudoscience categories are donated to the Australian Council Against Health Fraud to help in the fight against quackery.

Pseudoscience

“200% Of Nothing: An Eye-Opening Tour Through the Twists and Turns of Math Abuse and Innumeracy” by A. K. Dewdney.
One of the common threads through racism, medical quackery and pseudoscience is the abuse of statistics. Sometimes this is deliberate, sometimes it is just an indication of the ignorance of the speaker, but always it is a means of confusing or deceiving the listener. This guide to the absurdities of some mathematical claims helps to level the playing field.

“The Age of Wonder : How the Romantic Generation Discovered the Beauty and Terror of Science” by Richard Holmes

“Astrology : True or False? – A Scientific Evaluation” by Roger B. Culver and Philip A. Ianna
“Astrology: True or False?” offers a complete and extensive summary of available evidence on astrology’s basic definitions, concepts, and effectiveness. The authors’ research revealed thousands of predictions gone “bust” – from the start of World War III to claims about the existence of an “anti-Earth” orbiting on the other side of the sun. They studied the famous twenty-year cycle” of presidential death and disaster, the “moon cycles” of crime and murder in major cities, and the incidences of major personality traits in certain sun signs. Their conclusions, while disappointing to the determined believer in astrology, are nevertheless refreshingly rational.

“Astrology : What’s Really in the Stars?” by J.V. Stewart
Rather than offering a blistering critique of astrology, Stewart reveals discrepancies within horoscopic astrology’s own framework to let the reader decide whether there is any merit to this ancient scheme of things.

“Astrology Disproved” by Lawrence E. Jerome
Why do people believe in astrology? In these uncertain times many long for the comfort of having guidance in making decisions. They would like to believe in a destiny predetermined by astral forces beyond their control. However, we must all face the world, and we must realize that our futures lie in ourselves, and not in the stars.

“Bad Astronomy : Misconceptions and Misuses Revealed, from Astrology to the Moon Landing ‘Hoax’” by Phil Plait.

“Bad Medicine : Misconceptions and Misuses Revealed, from Distance Healing to Vitamin O” by Christopher Wanjek.

“Bad Science” by Ben Goldacre.

“The Beginner’s Guide to Winning the Nobel Prize” by Peter Doherty.
“Bizarre Beliefs” by Simon Hoggart and Mike Hutchinson.

“The Blind Watchmaker : Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe Without Design” by Richard Dawkins.
There’s a little story to tell about this link. As you might surmise, I have been acquiring these links by using a search engine, and normally taking the top item of the search return list as likely to provide the most succinct and accurate review – a BIG mistake when an arch-enemy of science such as Philip Johnson (a lawyer) has somehow subverted the search engine dynamics to put his “review” at the top of the returns – not just ONCE but FOUR times. The ENEMIES of science work deep into the long nights, using any and every means they can to diminish scientific progress and promote their fear-based myth culture. I know what I’m talking about here – Philip Johnson is a mightily-crafty individual who manages to conceal his LIES across hundreds of pages – if you take the trouble to analyse his weasel words you’ll eventually discover his lies and hypocrisy – his agenda. One cannot imagine ANY situation where the reverse (Dawkins “bumping” destructive “reviews” of Johnson’s books up Internet search engine lists) would EVER be true. What absolutely abysmal behaviour this is! So I now include this review instead:
Dawkins has never hidden his advocacy role in describing how evolution works and how poorly our culture understands what’s going on around us. More than simply anticipating obstructionists such as Michael Behe in Darwin’s Black Box, Dawkins aims his criticism at all who adhere to the Judeo-Christian assertion that humanity has some divine mandate to exercise “dominion over the earth”. Clearly, that belief will be the undoing of the species and perhaps life itself if it isn’t shed and a better understanding of the interaction of life attained. The best place to start attaining that understanding starts with this book. Buy it, loan it, give it to those who need to learn what life’s all about – our children. [Stephen A. Haines – Ottawa, Canada]
To Richard, my heartfelt apologies.
To You the reader, please let me know if you discover any other similar instances…

“The Borderlands of Science : Where Sense Meets Nonsense” by Michael Shermer.

“Bullshit and Philosophy” by Gary L. Hardcastle and George A. Reisch (Editors).

“Bully for Brontosaurus : Reflections in Natural History” by Stephen Jay Gould.

“Chemical Sensitivity : The Truth About Environmental Illness” by Stephen Barrett and Ronald E. Gots.
One of the unifying principles of ‘alternative medicine’ is the horror of chemicals. Not things, of course, like ricin and botulism toxin which are natural and therefore not chemicals, or cyanide which is not a chemical when it comes from apricot seeds. The only problem with the chemical-free vacuum of space is the radiation.

“Climbing Mount Improbable” by Richard Dawkins.
Endorsements
‘A beautiful, barnstorming, thunderclap of a book’ – Mail on Sunday
‘A cracking good book on evolution’ – John Gribbin in the Times Educational Supplement
‘Mount Improbable … is Dawkins’s metaphor for natural selection: its peaks standing for evolution’s most complex achievements: the human brain, the squid’s eye, and the albatross’s aeronautical prowess … exhilarating – a perfect, elegant riposte to a great deal of fuzzy thinking about natural selection and evolution’ – Robin Mackie in the Observer
‘One of the most gifted storytellers of our generation … he is a missionary who writes like an angel. He is to Darwinism what Saint Paul is to Christianity’ – Mike Maran in Scotland on Sunday
‘The parables – rivetting biological narratives, enthralling as the Arabian Nights tales – continue to ring the changes. Yet the central message – that DNA transcends the significance of the organism – remains the same … organisms are merely vehicles for genes … This is vintage Dawkins’ – John Cornwell in the New Scientist
‘An elegant series of lectures on Darwinian selection … Dawkins continues a tradition of scientific writing from Galileo to Darwin’ – Ian Thomson in the Daily Telegraph
‘Dawkins has done more than anyone else now writing to make evolutionary biology comprehensible and acceptable’ – John Maynard Smith in the Sunday Times

“Cosmos” by Carl Sagan.
The book of the television series.

“Deception & Self-Deception : Investigating Psychics” by Richard Wiseman.

“The Demon-Haunted World : Science As a Candle in the Dark” by Carl Sagan.
Science is not test tubes, atom bombs and pollution, it is a way of thinking that separates superstition from knowledge. It is a way of deciding what is real and what is fantasy. Many of the sites listed in The Millenium Project are here because this distinction is not detected or recognised.

“Did Adam and Eve Have Navels?: Debunking Pseudoscience” by Martin Gardner.

“The Dose Makes the Poison : A Plain-Language Guide to Toxicology” by Alice Ottoboni.
A common tenet of both ‘alternative medicine’ and loony environmentalism is that you can’t have too much of a good thing or too little of a bad thing. Of course, if you believe in homeopathy you would believe in anything, but in real life it is possible to have harmless concentrations of dangerous things.

“An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural” by James Randi.

“The Extended Phenotype : The Long Reach of the Gene” by Richard Dawkins.
‘One feature of life in this world which, like sex, we have taken for granted and maybe should not, is that living matter comes in discrete packages called organisms. In particular, biologists interested in functional explanation usually assume that the appropriate unit for discussion is the individual organism. To us,’conflict’ usually means conflict between organisms, each one striving to maximize its own individual ‘fitness’. We recognize smaller units such as cells and genes, and larger units such as populations, societies and ecosystems, but there is no doubt that the individual body, as a discrete unit of action, exerts a powerful hold over the minds of zoologists, especially those interested in the adaptive significance of animal behaviour. One of my aims in this book is to break that hold. I want to switch emphasis from the individual body as focal unit of functional discussion. At the very least I want to make us aware of how much we take for granted when we look at life as a collection of discrete individual organisms.’

“Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds” by Charles MacKay.
This book was first published in 1841 and told about panics and hysterias of the past. Updating the book to today would just require the addition of a chapter on the Internet stock craze, an update to the witchcraft chapter to include mention of recovered memory syndrome, satanic ritual abuse and alien abductions, and a new chapter about Y2K madness.

“Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science” by Martin Gardner.
This is an extremely depressing and sad book, because it was written more than 50 years ago and it reads like it was written yesterday. Who would have thought that idiocies like scientology, chiropractic, homeopathy, perpetual motion machines, belief in flying saucers, and the nonsense about Atlantis and the pyramids would survive into the twenty-first century? The book is subtitled ‘A study in human gullibility’. Tragic.

“Fear of Food : Environmentalist Scams, Media Mendacity, and the Law of Disparagement” by Andrea Arnold.
Half the people in the world go to sleep hungry and what food they can get is inadequate and poor, yet people keep telling us that our food is dangerous and we should not do things that could produce safe, nutritious food for people who need it.

“The Flamingo’s Smile : Reflections in Natural History” by Stephen Jay Gould.

“The Flight from Science and Reason” by Paul R. Gross, Norman Levitt and Martin W. Lewis.

“Flim Flam! Psychics, ESP, Unicorns, and Other Delusions” by James Randi.
‘I am constantly amazed by the things that people will believe in. This book is a classic exposure of nonsense, much of which has somehow survived into the twenty-first century.’

“Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries : Science and Pseudoscience in Archaeology” by Kenneth L. Feder.

“Full Facts Book of Cold Reading” by Ian Rowland.
This is the definitive book on cold reading. It explains everything there is to know about this limitless technique! How can you apparently tell complete strangers about names, dates and events that mean something to them? This book, the most authoritative ever written on cold reading, explains it all! Learn how to do the trick even better than John Edward does it.

“Goddess Unmasked : The Rise of Neopagan Feminist Spirituality” by Philip G. Davis.

“Gulliver’s Travels” by Jonathon Swift.

“Has Science Found God? The Latest Results in the Search for Purpose in the Universe” by Victor Stenger.

“Hen’s Teeth and Horse’s Toes” by Stephen Jay Gould.

“Higher Superstition : The Academic Left and Its Quarrels With Science” by Paul R. Gross and Norman Levitt.
There is a famous painting by Goya called ‘The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters’. It is what this site is about and what Gross and Levitt’s book is about. It has taken centuries to refine science as a means of discovering and knowing the truth, yet science, reason and rationality are under attack by second-rate minds who want to put us and reason back to sleep.

“How Mumbo-jumbo Conquered the World” by Francis Wheen.

“How Not to Test a Psychic: Ten Years of Remarkable Experiments With Renowned Clairvoyant Pavel Stepanek” by Martin Gardner.

“How to Think about Weird Things : Critical Thinking for a New Age” by Theodore Schick and Lewis Vaughn.

“How We Believe : The Search for God in an Age of Science” by Michael Shermer.
Shermer makes the distinction between belief, non-belief and unbelief, and describes his own transition from one state to another. Religion and Science have different roles in society, and this book looks at the boundaries and overlaps which are legitimate for each.

“Humbug!” by Jef and Theo Clark.

“In Pursuit of Satan : The Police and the Occult” by Robert D. Hicks.
“Influence” by Robert B. Cialdini.

“Investigating the Unexplained” by Melvin Harris.

“Leviathan” by Thomas Hobbes.

“Making Monsters : False Memories, Psychotherapy, and Sexual Hysteria” by Richard Ofshe and Ethan Watters.

“The Mask of Nostradamus : The Prophecies of the World’s Most Famous Seer” by James Randi.

“Memory Distortion : How Minds, Brains, and Societies Reconstruct the Past” by Daniel L. Schacter (Editor).
Much nonsense is talked about what goes on inside the mind and what it means to remember things and events. This book collects some essays from experts who can brush aside that nonsense and explain what it is about memories that we can trust and what we can’t.

“The Mismeasure of Man” by Stephen Jay Gould.
Gould has been criticised for being a bit cruel and nasty (and even a bit inaccurate) in his criticisms of people who didn’t know the things we know today, but it is a useful book to show how science can change as more is learned about something. There is no doubt that science is influenced by the culture of the time, but the difference between science and non-science or pseudoscience is that the real thing can break away from culture when the facts demand it.

“A Modest Proposal and Other Satires” by Jonathan Swift.

“The Myth of Repressed Memory : False Memories and Allegations of Sexual Abuse” by Elizabeth Loftus and Katherine Ketcham.
An entire industry has grown up around the absurd idea that children can be subjected to atrocities like sexual abuse and cannibalism and not remember any of this until some ‘therapist’ reconstructs the memories for them. This book exposes this nonsense for what it is – a vicious attack on children and families by people prepared to knowingly lie to support a crazy ideology.

National Science Education Standards
A landmark effort that involved thousands of teachers, scientists, science educators, and other experts across the country, these standards echo the principle that learning science is an inquiry-based process, that science in schools should reflect the intellectual traditions of contemporary science, and that all Americans have a role in improving science education. This document is invaluable to education policy-makers, school system administrators, teacher educators, individual teachers, and concerned parents.

“The New Age : Notes of a Fringe-Watcher” by Martin Gardner.

“Nibbling on Einstein’s Brain : The Good, the Bad and the Bogus in Science” by Diane Swanson.

“Objections to Astrology” by Bart J. Bok and Lawrence E. Jerome.
A statement by 192 scientists, including 19 Nobel Prize winners, who call the “science” of astrology a deception based on “magic and superstition.”

“On the Wild Side” by Martin Gardner.

“The Panda’s Thumb : More Reflections in Natural History” by Stephen Jay Gould.

“A Physicist’s Guide to Skepticism” by Milton A. Rothman.

“Pseudodoxia Epidemica: Or, Enquiries into Very Many Received Tenentes, and CommonlyPresumed Truths” by Thomas Browne.

“Quantum Leaps in the Wrong Direction” by Charles Wynn and Arthur Wiggins.
There is a difference between science and pseudoscience, between reality and fantasy. This book shows you how to tell the difference.

“Remembering Satan” by Lawrence Wright.

“River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life” by Richard Dawkins.

“Science : Good, Bad and Bogus” by Martin Gardner.

“Science and Religion: Are They Compatible?” by Paul Kurtz, Barry Karr and Ranjit Sandhu.
“Science Versus Religion” by Tad S. Clements.

“The Selfish Gene” by Richard Dawkins.

“Skeptics and True Believers” by Chet Raymo.

“The Skeptic’s Dictionary: A Collection of Strange Beliefs, Amusing Deceptions, and Dangerous Delusions” by Robert T. Carroll.
Featuring close to 400 definitions, arguments, and essays on topics ranging from acupuncture to zombies, The Skeptic’s Dictionary is a lively, commonsense trove of detailed information on all things supernatural, occult, paranormal, and pseudoscientific. It covers such categories as alternative medicine; cryptozoology; extraterrestrials and UFOs; frauds and hoaxes; junk science; logic and perception; New Age energy; and the psychic. For the open-minded seeker, the soft or hardened skeptic, and the believing doubter, this book offers a remarkable range of information that puts to the test the best arguments of true believers.

“The Skeptic’s Guide to the Paranormal” by Lynne Kelly.

“Smoke and Mirrors: The Devastating Effect of False Sexual Abuse Claims” by Terence W. Campbell.

“The Sorcerer of Kings: The Case of Daniel Dunglas Home and William Crookes” by Gordon Stein and James Randi.

“The Story of Evolution” by Joseph McCabe
Published in 1911, free from Project Gutenberg.

“The Structure of Evolutionary Theory” by Stephen Jay Gould.

“Superstition : Belief in the Age of Science” by Robert Park.

“The Theory of Evolution” by John Maynard Smith.
Evolution is one of those fundamental theories in science, like relativity, heliocentricity, gravity, blood circulation, atomic structure and quantum mechanics of which it can realistically be said that the idea introduced a paradigm shift in scientific thinking. Modern science would be primitive and crippled without it. This book provides excellent ammunition for the fight against those who would replace evolution with superstition.

“The Trouble with Science” by Robin Dunbar.
The title of this book might suggest that it is anti-science, but in fact the author posits that science is a natural part of human existence (and even that of some animals) because it is about how organisms explain and interact with the world around them. The author has produced a very good summary of the philosophical path through Popper, Kuhn, Lakatos and Feyerabend, and there is commentary about the relationship between religion and science which mightn’t please Richard Dawkins but which provides a credible explanation for the ubiquity of religion across societies (and which allows for religion to be abandoned when better knowledge comes along).

“The Truth about Uri Geller” by James Randi.

“Unweaving the Rainbow : Science, Delusion and the Appetite for Wonder” by Richard Dawkins.
Believers in superstition and magic often accuse scientists, atheists and other rational thinkers of denying or even destroying mystery and beauty. Dawkins points out in this book that there is so much wonder and excitement in truth and reality that it is unnecessary to make up explanations.

“The Varieties of Scientific Experience : A Personal View of the Search for God” by Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan.

Victims of Memory: Sex Abuse Accusations and Shattered Lives” by Mark Pendergrast and Melody Gavigan.

“Voodoo Science : The Road from Foolishness to Fraud” by Robert Park.
The scientific method is the best thing we have come up with to find out about how the universe works. This book is about the misuse of science and how it differs from science done badly. Both are bad, but at least bad science can be corrected. Mad science is more difficult to overcome.

“Weird Water & Fuzzy Logic” by Martin Gardner.

“Why People Believe Weird Things : Pseudoscience, Superstition, and Other Confusions of Our Time” by Michael Shermer.
I am continually amazed by the sorts of things that people can believe without any evidence to support the belief, and often in spite of comprehensive evidence against the belief. Faith is a wonderful thing, but it can’t make facts disappear.

“Why We Do It: Rethinking Sex and the Selfish Gene” by Niles Eldredge.

“Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History” by Stephen Jay Gould.
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Another Waste of Time

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ANOTHER WASTE OF TIME – ANDREW JOHNSON – APPARENTLY NOT – ARESOLS – JUMBO  FLAME-OUT – BAD SCIENCE

Don’t forget my other pages, links and comments are one click away at the top right of the page… 

This technically isn’t “chemtrailer” material, but is thoroughly representative of one the “chemtrail” movement’s underlying religious “Ultimate Sacred Postulates”, which is that of “any human government is the work of the Devil, and no good will come of it, and there is no more to think about.”

Unameitltd’s preamble to his videoclip entitled (sic) “Bush’s CIA illegally spys on youtube & myspace users” goes: “CIA publically admits in its pdf document it spys on Americans “citizen media” sites like youtube & myspace. here is their document http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/naquin.pdf”  (I must admit that spelling mistakes make me tense, for they always precede other mistakes!)

jazzroc
Another waste of time…

unameitltd
amazing how many people will defend CIA illegal domestic spying.

jazzroc
Looking at open source material is BY DEFINITION not spying. They have as much right to look at YouTube as YOU do. All activity on YT is PUBLIC. You must be crazy, or uneducated, or BOTH.

unameitltd
Open souce material isnt spying if members of the public do it. However, government is bound by the 4th admendment and needs probable cause and a warrant when their law enforcement INTENT is to look for criminallity. The CIA is banned by law from domestic spying.

jazzroc
If criminality arises in plain view it is the moral duty for ANYONE to do something about it, including YOU, and including a CIA spook (who is ALSO a “member of the public”). What you suggest is a COMPLETE ABSURDITY. Go boil your head…

unameitltd
A CIA spook on the job IS NOT a member of the public, when at work, on a government computer, they are agents of the US government banned by law from ANY spying on Americians. CIA employees may not legally spy on any american, WHAT PART OF THAT DONT U GET?

jazzroc
The illogical part that you suggest. Are you suggesting that BECAUSE someone works for the CIA he is AUTOMATICALLY unable to use YouTube? Since when EXACTLY did PUBLIC mean PRIVATE? Keep your head in that saucepan…

  

ANDREW JOHNSON

His website “Check the Evidence“

This a hard-working man. Grade A for effort. A pleasure to correspond with, too, at least at first. He holds the classic delusion, but is great on getting evidence. His photographs are of a very high standard. He simply falls down when he attempts to interpret the evidence he so patiently collects. One day, I hope, he will realize his true potential. In the meanwhile it really is such a shame…

Hi – just picking through the site. Wave trails are a natural phenomenon. So are the little downward puffs (great pictures), which are caused by ice accretion, increasing the weight, causing a downward acceleration. This entrains the air. Sometimes you see it happen inside cirrostratus and a “hole” opens in the cloud. A sunset event, quite often, as the dimming sunlight allows the air to cool and bring it closer to supersaturation.

No evidence to back up your assertions. Please send peer-reviewed reference for the persistence of trails for specifically > 2mins (with named and dated case studies and specific atmospheric measurements at the time). Also, list flight details of flights in the case study you are quoting (whether they are test flights, military flights or ordinary civilian flights).

Haha. Very funny. Shirty, eh? http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/journals/atlas_JAMC2006.pdf takes care of the nature of contrail deposition, amounts, and quantities over time, and even progression of crystal aggregation. This is the one that tells you, but not directly, that a jumbo can lay down 80,000 tons of ice in six hours of flight…da, da!
Not even NASA would have timed, located and identified the particular aircraft, so I assume from your snitty response you’re going to dismiss it. I’m off to research on your behalf, (seeing that you seem unable) any real findings on fallstreaks and virga. (I’ll give you a tip – always exclude “chemtrails” in your searches if you would like results without speculation or lies in them.)

Google Search Results 1 – 5 out of 645 for “paper” “aviation” “saturated” “atmosphere” “contrails” “-chemtrails” “-aerosols” – Dec 19th 2008.
http://students.ou.edu/J/Thomas.A.Jones-1/contrail.html
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=48191
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3101/is_3_54/ai_n29372921
http://ams.allenpress.com/archive/1520-0469/15/2/pdf/i1520-0469-15-2-149.pdf
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a778783829~db=all
I’ll leave you to chase the rest of the 640 results.

“Hole punch”, “fallstreak” clouds with their associated virga, don’t seem to have made it into major scientific research, but there are a few informed quotes about, which, strangely, agree with my analysis. However no flight numbers are assigned to clouds.

Google Search Results 1 – 3 out of 10 for “hole” “punch” “clouds” “fallstreak” “research” “paper” “-chemtrails” – Mar 31st 2009.
www.scribd.com/doc/9841727/Essentials-Of-Meteorology
www.uq.edu.au/_School_Science_Lessons/UNPh37.html
www.met.rdg.ac.uk/bl_met/papers/Wood&Harrison09_ASE.pdf
Now apply these references to your double standards. I’m only doing this because you haven’t read my blog.

"grid" of trails over AJ's house

 re: http://www.pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/journals/atlas_JAMC2006.pdf

Thanks – have flicked through the paper and when time will respond with the problems in it. A very quick look suggests they have taken some data – then not really explained the mechanism as to how “condensation” can last that long – though they have put a couple of nice equations in and stuff (it’s what scientists do to comfort themselves when they don’t know what they’re dealing with).
(NO. That isn’t true at all. Scientific papers are written assuming that the reader understands basic physical science. Such a reader would KNOW that ambient vapor pressure prevents further sublimation of the ice to vapor, and EQUILIBRIUM is reached.

“It’s what scientists do to comfort themselves when they don’t know what they’re dealing with.”

NO. That’s what YOU write when YOU don’t know what you’re dealing with.)

But anyway this one looks better than Ulrich Schumann’s report, as it has more raw data in it. For the moment, I refer to my previous communications about the grid over my house and how no one could give me the flight numbers. Official responses are on my website – but you seem unable to research them….
I will maybe try to contact the NASA authors and ask them how to find out about my grid – and why these trails have gaps in them etc. Perhaps they’ll also be able to explain to me the movements of Hurricane Erin around the time of 9/11 – perhaps they will be coincidence theorists…
Anyway, can you explain this formation for me please:

 http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=183&Itemid=50

The blue plane one is quite interesting – as the plane is almost certainly below 28,000 feet. A retired Naval Officer reported to me last week how he measured the height of several aircraft as approximately 8,000 feet (using the size of the aircraft and graticule measurements) and making trails. How is this possible? I will post this data when I have it nailed down more.
Would you like to see my photo of a trail in cumulus cloud (in an overcast sky) – probably at about 8,000 feet or so? Taken in Feb. On Sunday I was out for about 2 hours and saw 2 trails – beautiful day. Av ground temp was about 10 or 12C. This morning in 5 minutes, I saw about 20 as I was going to the train station… it was about the was about the same temp in the morning…  Oh dear – looks like NASA is not telling us the truth (remember the mars photos you looked at…?)

“will respond with the problems in it.”
Well, it’s very confident of you to suppose there are problems with it at all.

“A very quick look suggests they have taken some data – then not really explained the mechanism as to how “condensation” can last that long – though they have put a couple of nice equations in and stuff (it’s what scientists do to comfort themselves when they don’t know what they’re dealing with).”
Well we all have our comfort zones. Condensation can be perfectly permanent at 100% saturation. It makes me wonder if you understand the technical term “equilibrium”. You haven’t coped with condensation yet. You should look at a Wilson Cloud Chamber. WIKI it.

Wilson Cloud Chamber - AJ

 Re NASA paper – another note. All references which refer to contrails, except 1, are post 1994 (and I think post 1996). I found the 1972 paper and it’s an interesting read. I might be able to put together another article to clarify further the misapprehensions that you and many other scientists seem to be labouring under – and the staggering assumptions you repeatedly reel off as if they are fact.

“They forgot to report a Cat 5 hurricane”. Classic – that’s super. re this: “We obviously perceive things very differently from each other. How do you suppose I’ve conducted a career in industrial engineering design with perceptual deficiencies with respect to analyzing space and dynamics?”

 Yes – not much point in continuing – when you brush off grids of air craft trails and assume flight paths cross – but provide no evidence. Anyway, how do you suppose I’ve conducted a career in software engineering and software design and education with perceptual deficiencies with respect to analyzing data and developing solutions to engineering problems?

I liked your “shadow of a contrail” – highly entertaining.

Write to NASA and tell them what you think about the dome photos and sending a rover etc – see what response you get. Oddly, then, we share a similar perception about this dome. So why the difference between that and aircraft grids – they’re both “spatial awareness” related aren’t they?

I wrote to the one of the Mars Express team members and they showed little interest. And you didn’t answer why there was such a difference between the USGS and MSSS versions. 

aerodynamic and engine contrail - AJ

 “clarify further the misapprehensions that you and many other scientists seem to be labouring under – and the staggering assumptions you repeatedly reel off as if they are fact”

They are fact. Perhaps you haven’t operated a Wilson Cloud chamber, run a gas turbine on a test bed, operated a wind tunnel. Water has several quite unusual properties. In fact they’re almost unique. Superheating and supercooling, latent heats of melting and vaporizarion, a specific heat eighty times that of metals.
The Earth’s atmosphere has some unique properties which you haven’t seen fit to acknowledge either, possibly because you remain unaware of them in spite of having had them pointed out to you.
With respect to condensation, I will reiterate to you that it cannot take place even when the atmosphere is in a stable supersaturated state until some “foreign” stimulus initiates it. Which is why an airplane flying through it may trigger a condensation trail. When the atmosphere is in such a stable supersaturated condition it is by definition PERFECTLY PURE: there is not one iota of impurity within it. The condensation clouds start initially as microscopically-fine crystals (so fine as to exhibit diffractive properties) but grow rapidly by progressively-accelerating accretion. Their weight/surface area ratio increases, and their rate of falling does so also. This progressive downward acceleration causes “pendules” (equispaced artificial “virga”) to form in trails. The exhaust gas particulate count greatly exceeds the number of ice condensate crystals that form from the combusted fuel alone, and up to TEN THOUSAND TIMES AS MUCH ICE may be precipitated at the same time. This is why I’m telling you that a single trans-USA jumbo flight may put EIGHTY THOUSAND TONS OF ICE into the sky.

persistent trail of circling airplane beneath temporary trail - AJ

 “‘They forgot to report a Cat 5 hurricane’. Classic – that’s super.”
They also left the Eastern seaboard defended by fourteeen fighters which they misdirected elsewhere. That was super, too.

The direction that a hurricane takes is uniquely dependent upon its heat uptake from the sea. The amount of heat it can steal from the sea is equivalent to a 100 megaton thermonuclear weapon, so any unsubtle inferring that the PTB somehow redirected it will earn you my most ribald scorn…

“you brush off grids of air craft trails and assume flight paths cross – but provide no evidence.”
For your information the Earth is an oblate spheroid. Its rotation leaves one with the mistaken impression that the Sun goes round the Earth. If you think the Earth is flat, and the Sun goes round the Earth, why should I “provide evidence”? If you can’t understand “grids” why should I care? Flight paths cross at different heights. That’s what Air Traffic Control is all about. I’ve conducted this same conversation with hundreds over the years. Some people just can’t get it. Try not to be one of them.

“Anyway, how do you suppose I’ve conducted a career in software engineering and software design and education with perceptual deficiencies with respect to analyzing data and developing solutions to engineering problems?”
Extremely badly, by the sound of it. I never had time to pursue chimaeras as you do. Now YOU are my “chimaera”.

“I liked your “shadow of a contrail” – highly entertaining.”
I’ve seen many. Your perception isn’t good. Visit http://www.atoptics.com 

A complete understanding of this very good website will do you WONDERS.

A very non-intuitive crepuscular shadow!

“Write to NASA and tell them what you think about the dome photos and sending a rover etc – see what response you get.”
No. I wouldn’t want to be such a dick. I’ll wait until a rover DOES visit the area.

“Oddly, then, we share a similar perception about this dome.”
Well, it DOES look remarkably like a dome. This info’s at least five years old, and I was on top of it at the time. The difference is that I have made mistakes about such “sure things” in the past. They’re in YOUR present. I’m just trying to prevent you from wasting your time here.

So why the difference between that and aircraft grids – they’re both “spatial awareness” related aren’t they?
Well, “looking remarkably like” isn’t BEING. I’ve watched progressive satellite pictures of trails from above. It’s even MORE obvious you’re looking at shuttle flights, in a prevailing wind. You can also see the effects of the moving belts of humid air in the stratosphere which are enabling these trails.

“I wrote to the one of the Mars Express team members and they showed little interest.”
You’re going to sound like a nut even if your interest is sincere. They’re busy, and you’re MAD. (So to speak.)

“And you didn’t answer why there was such a difference between the USGS and MSSS versions.”
Well, it’s a little odd. I see they’re marked as erroneous. That probably means they discard them from run-of-the-mill analysis. Somebody has obviously come along, seen the artefacts, had a go at cleaning them up, thought “****it!”, and discarded the attempt, thinking “There are errors here already”.
Then patient, assiduous, (dare I suggest it?) paranoid people like you come along, find these bits of wreckage, and attempt to “blow them up” as “things NASA doesn’t want you to know“. What utter crap. You seem like a nice guy. Concentrate on REAL issues.

“how is the cloud chamber analogy relevant”
It demonstrates the EXACT MECHANISM by which contrails occur.

“the conditions in question are totally different”
The conditions in question apply exactly. Overall pressure has nothing to do with the phenomenon.

“deadly cosmic rays or radiation from the earth”
Will also produce fine lines of condensate through a saturated sky. These are very fine and disperse instantly.

“Flight data for the grids please”
Do it yourself. Superimpose crossing flight routes from Flight Explorer upon the prevailing wind direction and produce yourself a spiderweb of “grids”.

“thanks for the “new leads” so that I can build up even more powerful data sets and arguments”
Data is not much use to someone whose powers of interpretation are poor. You bore easily. Thanks for your very excellent images.

PS. I have just read through some of your correspondence. It has become quite obvious to me that anything I might say to you has already been said to you by others equally qualified, and that it was a total waste of time beginning a dialogue with you in the first place.
To have a facility with science means being able to understand and interpret the data you gather. It is plain from your failure to understand the use of the word “may”, for instance, that it is in the ability to interpret you are somewhat lacking. But there are many other examples here.
People may pass exams in science (especially these days) without possessing the ability to conduct it, especially as it isn’t easy to examine someone for interpretive ability. The possession of fact concerning a matter of science is quite subservient to the possession of this power to INTERPRET. This power advances science. When this occurs to you, I would like to be a fly on the wall…
It will one day, for you are a hard-working individual.

 All very well – but no one in the UK can give me the flight numbers for the day of the grids – that’s official. You have focused your attention on me as if I am “a lone voice” – I am not. Take a look at Rosalind Peterson’s site for example, California Skywatch – she worked for the US Govt.

www.californiaskywatch.com

Cliff Carnicom did the same.

www.carnicom.com

Deliberate misinformation is being promulgated by some people who should know better (Ted Tweitmeyer claimed a refuelling pod on a plane was a chemtrail sprayer – he runs a website called Data4science).

http://www.data4science.net/

http://www.rense.com/general81/ddthr.htm

20 people (some of whom I have never met) wanted to countersign my report when I’d compiled it. Why? Probably because they regard my interpretation of the raw data as more correct than yours and those officials who claim to know all about what is going on in our skies. None of them, when given the opportunity, have been able to provide the basic data I asked for.

None of them have sufficiently explained the video I sent you with the chemtrail and the contrail in the same part of the sky on the same day, at the same time. It is precisely these sorts of scenarios which are missing from that NASA study you sent (and the others I have looked at).

It is precisely the interesting and unexplained data on Mars which is ignored or ridiculed by those who are paid to investigate such. It is precisely the hexagonal craters on Iapetus that are ignored and glossed over. It is precisely the hexagonal pattern in the atmosphere of Saturn that is ignored and overlooked as some kind of irrelevance.

Studying these patterns – and those in the 9/11 data – along with former Professor of Mechanical Engineering Dr Judy Wood have lead me to a new understanding of the world we are enslaved in. Some people find the cage more appealing than the universe outside the cage – that’s up to them to live in it if they wish. The truth has indeed pissed me off, but it has also set me free and I am working hard to show others were the weak points in the cage bars are (there are many) and they can break them if they wish – or at least yank and rattle them.

Here’s a saying I coined: “By ignoring any amount of data/evidence, it is possible to come to any desired conclusion. However, the value of such a conclusion will be inversely proportional to the amount of evidence ignored.”

“All very well – but no one in the UK can give me the flight numbers for the day of the grids – that’s official.”
I dare say they simply didn’t believe the effort justified the results. You must be aware of the vast numbers of crossing flight routes and flights  involved. And that the flight control system is primarily concerned with real-time control. It must store records, that’s true. But to dig them out simply because an inquirer cannot comprehend how grid patterns may occur – is a waste of time.

“You have focused your attention on me as if I am “a lone voice” – I am not. Take a look at Rosalind Peterson’s site for example, California Skywatch -she worked for the US Govt.”
And I for the British. I have heard and seen some of her reasoning. I disagree with her too.

“Cliff Carnicom did the same.”
You really don’t read the work of people that disagree with you, do you?

“Ted Tweitmeyer claimed a refuelling pod on a plane was a chemtrail sprayer – he runs a website called Data4science.”
He too gets a mentch on my blog.

“20 people (some of whom I have never met) wanted to countersign my report when I’d compiled it. Why? Probably because they regard my interpretation of the raw data as more correct than yours and those officials who claim to know all about what is going on in our skies. None of them, when given the opportunity, have been able to provide the basic data I asked for.”
It doesn’t surprise me that others also misinterpret data as you do. However a check out with WIKI on TROPOSPHERE, TROPOPAUSE, STRATOSPHERE, (and all the links contained within) should be sufficient to cause you to reinterpret your data, IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS WRITTEN THERE.

“None of them have sufficiently explained the video I sent you with the chemtrail and the contrail in the same part of the sky on the same day, at the same time. It is precisely these sorts of scenarios which are missing from that NASA study you sent (and the others I have looked at).”
See above.

“It is precisely the interesting and unexplained data on Mars”
Covered.

“the hexagonal craters on Iapetus”
Natural. (Fingal’s Cave? There are hexagonal piles all over the Canary Isles, where I live.)

“hexagonal pattern in the atmosphere of Saturn”
A standing wave…

“we are enslaved in”
Woah!

“Some people find the cage more appealing”
Society’s dysfunctionality is moderated by Man’s mortality…

“The truth has set me free”
But untruth does the reverse.

“Here’s a saying I coined: ‘By ignoring any amount of data/evidence, it is possible to come to any desired conclusion. However, the value of such a conclusion will be inversely proportional to the amount of evidence ignored.'”
Amen. Here’s to irony…

another shadow of a trail by AJ

Oops – you’re making false statements again… “I dare say they simply didn’t believe the effort justified the results. You must be aware of the vast numbers of crossing flight routes and flights  involved. And that the flight control system is primarily concerned with real-time control. It must store records, that’s true. But to dig them out simply because an inquirer cannot comprehend how grid patterns may occur – is a waste of time.”

I completed an FOI to the CAA and the Dept transport – the response was “We don’t have the information you asked for” it wasn’t “we aren’t able or can’t be bothered to get it for some schmuck from Borrowash”. This is why our interpretation differs – and it illustrates again your willingness to ignore published data…. Standing wave? Where is the scientific study that shows this happening in the atmosphere of large gas-giant planets. More really wild assumptions on your part. Amazing behaviour! So is Iapetus made of Basalt? Hmmm – NASA say it’s “mostly ice”. Of course, we can *assume* it happens to be basalt where the craters are. We can assume anything – so why have science and measurements – if we just assume we are right, we don’t ever need to measure anything. Anyway, your original blog title was most apt “Jazzroc vs Chemtrails”….yep – that was the size of it!!

Oops – you’re making false statements again…
I haven’t made any false statements yet, so there’s no “again”. Whatever you were told, they may have lied to you. Records must be kept in the event there is an incident. It could be that after six months, or some other arbitrary interval, they are then discarded, but until then they will be kept.

I completed an FOI to the CAA and the Dept transport – the response was “We don’t have the information you asked for” it wasn’t “we aren’t able or can’t be bothered to get it for some schmuck from Borrowash”.
LOL. Great figure of speech.  🙂

“This is why our interpretation differs – and it illustrates again your willingness to ignore published data…”
You ignore it all the time by your interpretive failure. I wouldn’t claim to be infallible either – I’m not – but I’m just a smidgeon ahead of you.

“Standing wave? Where is the scientific study that shows this happening in the atmosphere of large gas-giant planets. More really wild assumptions on your part. Amazing behaviour!”
I don’t need a “scientific study”. My scientific understanding tells me it’s a standing wave because it’s a pattern I have seen before. Standing waves exist in all compressible atmospheres, unless they’re absolutely at rest. Scientific understanding may well be amazing behaviour to you if you don’t possess it. Have you checked Saturn references thoroughly? I dare say you have – it’s a useful tool, persistence. If nobody else has anything to say about it, then you heard it from JazzRoc first – it’s a STANDING WAVE.

“So is Iapetus made of Basalt? Hmmm – NASA say it’s “mostly ice”. Of course, we can *assume* it happens to be basalt where the craters are. We can assume anything – so why have science and measurements – if we just assume we are right, we don’t ever need to measure anything.”
No, I was simply arguing that hexagonal features are NATURAL. What those most exactly resemble are the regular hexagonal features and “sinkholes” found in permafrost on Earth.

“Anyway, your original blog title was most apt “Jazzroc vs Chemtrails”… yep – that was the size of it!!”
It IS about the size of it, exactly.

WIKI: “A persisting hexagonal wave pattern around the north polar vortex in the atmosphere at about 78°N was first noted in the Voyager images. Unlike the north pole, HST imaging of the south polar region indicates the presence of a jet stream, but no strong polar vortex nor any hexagonal standing wave.”

Shame. Someone beat me to it.

Here I quote the nub of Andrew’s difficulties:

Since contrail persistence requires at least ice saturation, a sky full of contrails but without natural cirrus shows that cases occur with humidity above ice-saturation but below the threshold for cirrus formation.

 Andrew’s reply to this is: “This is not an explanation – it is a statement that ‘something happens’. It says that trails can persist without supersaturation – so, supersaturation cannot be the sole explanation for the formation persistent trails. The phrase is really, again, saying ‘persistent trails form, but we don’t know why’.”

But the answer is simple: between normal (dry-ish) air and supersaturated air there is saturated air. This is QUITE SUFFICIENT to prevent the ice crystals of the trail from sublimating away. Somehow Andrew has forgotten this. His conviction (that the Powers That Be are nefarious) prevents him from seeing this. All he waits for is some apparent perceived inconsistency. Once he gets this, his fears are confirmed, and he closes down rational thought.

It isn’t his only vice.

If I argue with him that it is only reasonable to suppose (for it is true) that crossing aircraft routes will produce “grids” in the sky on occasions, then he demands that I supply him with the SCHEDULING of these flights. It is as if I had become suddenly to him the REPRESENTATIVE of external officialdom, instead of a friendly stranger trying to give him good advice.

And then there is his petty-fogging “attention to detail”; adjusting the deckchairs on his Titanic by “counting” his “evidence”. He should learn to EVALUATE his evidence before counting it. Sadly, his skills there are lacking, and he lacks the means of countering that.

“Flight data for the grids please”

“you didn’t answer why there was such a difference between the USGS and MSSS versions” 

Fallstreak Virga over my apartment, El Medano, Tenerife

APPARENTLY NOT

“Chemtrails have been controversial since 1999.”

In eight years SOMEBODY would have DIED! ….APPARENTLY NOT

A “chemtrail analyzed”, an “employee” infected? ….APPARENTLY NOT

“Chemtrail material” in crashed plane? ….APPARENTLY NOT

ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL? ….APPARENTLY NOT

ARESOLS

How old are you, sniker?

How did you escape Science class?

“sorry, but” – but nothing. You’re just plain sorry.

“if there was a layer of humidity the trail would not form!” – ALL AIR IS HUMID, SO WHAT YOU SAY IS BULLFEATHERS

“They only form above 30,000 feet or so where the humidity is low!” – Yep, you escaped. Stratospheric air (at MINUS FORTY degrees!) STILL contains moisture. It may even be SATURATED with water vapour, even though it contains LESS MOISTURE than tropospheric air. When it IS saturated, contrails PERSIST, and drift to form CIRRUS clouds.

“Aresols like barium” – Barium is an ELEMENT, not an ar****le. (Oh, I see you meant AEROSOL). It is an ALKALINE EARTH METAL. It is NOT an aerosol. The jet engine would GO OUT if barium (oxide) dust passed through it.

“a metallic salt can extract moisture from 30-40% humidity instead of the 70 for normal cloud formation!” – “Normal”? Tropospheric clouds? But we’re talking STRATOSPHERE mate if we’re talking about CT videos on YouTube. There’s been NO tropospheric trail recorded in YouTube, ever. And the word you never found is HYGROSCOPIC…

“Trails should form and dissipate or not form at all!” – No, it’s your THOUGHTS that should do all of that.

 

JUMBO FLAME-OUT DUE TO VOLCANIC DUST

 

BAD SCIENCE

Six months after checking ALL YouTube “Chemtrail” websites I have found NOT ONE IOTA OF PROOF regarding CHEMTRAILS.

They all think they’ve proved it because they TELL EACH OTHER that it’s so.

SEVENTY-THREE SITES have BLOCKED, “APPROVAL”(then none!) or DEACTIVATED comments, and have gone on to show PERFECTLY ORDINARY CONTRAILS, with witless comments which, apart from their abrogation of democratic accountability, DEMONSTRATE that they absolutely HAVEN’T A CLUE about ordinary CONTRAIL PROPAGATION.

I expected to find a THOROUGH STUDY of AIRPORT FACILITIES (after all, if they are SPRAYING stuff, you’d expect to find STUFF!)

WHITE materials would leave WHITE SPLASHES on AIRPORT TAXIWAYS.

TOXIC materials would give you a chance to see people wearing MASKS AND SUITS, special sealed TRUCKS, signs saying “HAZARD” – ALL SORTS OF STUFF.

It is often quite possible to walk up to aircraft and inspect them for nozzles, strange hatches, drips and stains. NO VIDEO has ever done this and made comparisons with easily-available external plans for almost every single type of aircraft.

I know that it’s a hard thing to do, but the ONLY WAY to PROVE such assertions is to FLY BEHIND A “CHEMTRAIL” AND SCOOP UP SOME FOR ANALYSIS. It should cost about $10000. Well that’s only $200 each for the RAMPANT HYPOCRITES I mention above.

Why haven’t they thought of this? I suggest it’s because they KNOW they’re onto a good wheeze. Thousands of eager terrified sheep are quite prepared to BELIEVE that the NWO is OUT TO GET THEM. WHAT A MARKET! IT’S OBVIOUS that these “people” are quite convinced that they are, indeed, EXPERTS!

They even insist that you mustn’t trust Science because it has been historically altered by the CIA! Well, that may do for the SHEEP, but it won’t do for ME.

Such a MUTILATION of TRUTH is harmful for everyone.

Now, the NWO may well be OUT TO GET US using FUNCTIONAL SCIENCE, for all I know. The ONLY WAY we can defend ourselves against such an onslaught is to use GOOD SCIENCE, OBJECTIVITY, and TRUTH.

Not BAD SCIENCE, HYPOCRISY, and LIES….

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91177info
The chemtrail petition has the necessary signatures to get a response from the government. 600 so far but if anyone would like a personal email detailing what our government is doing or is aware of please see the top link. 

beachcomber2008
the report states that the BEST DISPERSAL HEIGHT IS 80,000 FEET.  Only U2s and X15s fly up there, and all they can carry is cameras and electronics.  That altitude is TWICE AS HIGH as the CEILINGS of modern aircraft and is IMPOSSIBLE TO REACH WITH ANY TYPE OF TANKER.  That’s why they conclude that SEEDING OCEAN CLOUDS and FEEDING IRON TO OCEAN CENTRES are the only routes immediately viable.  They haven’t done those either, unfortunately.  It makes RUBBISH out of your video post, doesn’t it? 

The ideal place for spraying is the stratopause, but no aircraft can reach that height.

91177info
Yes they do seed clouds. There are private companies that do as such and videos of companies cloud seeding on youtube.  I am very happy with my video as it has added to the pool of information which thousands of researches are finding out and adding to themselves.  Some information may be speculative, some may be far fetched but I believe I was the first to find these documents of the UK government actually suggesting adding chemicals to aviation fuel and making it available on youtube. 

 

 

 

 

 

the temperature of our atmosphere

 

beachcomber2008
You are proposing something, on the other hand, which you REALLY know nothing about.  It therefore seems “reasonable” to you to behave the way you do.  Any scientist or engineer who reads what you write will shake their head.  Where were you when brains were handed out?  You can’t even find the relevant research materials, which are freely available on the net.  You also appear unable to read.  If DEFRA claims it would be difficult to do, then they haven’t done it.  You don’t appear to notice that. 

91177info
Yes I know I haven’t been able to give as much attention to the subject of chemtrails and find the necessary documents.  I was distracted by the swine flu last year and the so called deadly pandemic we were supposed to be in.  Which turned out to be a false alarm and a way for our governments to syphon off tax payers money.  They lied it was a false alarm.  This vid is 10 months old so maybe I should return to investigate chemtrails.  After the petition at 10 Downing St which ends in March. 

beachcomber2008
Truly infantile. “Look, a plane is flying overhead and there are some rocks on the ground shaped like the letter C.  It’s a clue!  Proof for chemtrails!”.  You’ll never be taken seriously by anyone with critical faculties who can weigh evidence.  You’ll just continue to talk amongst your buddies with the same psychological disposition about your escapist fantasies and waste the time of your other friends, pestering us with the latest “proof” for your delusions. Yes, I actually read the document. 

91177info
You’re the one who is delusional.  In fact, looking through your comments for the last six months – You’re a total fruitcake. You are also a liar and I hate liars.  Now which document did you think you read?  hmm? 

beachcomber2008
@91177info, Stephen Salter made a submission to this committee – this: 

You’ll find it on my channel and also at jazzroc. wordpress. com on my “Jet Spray” page because it’s a brilliant and cheap idea.  Yes, I actually read the document. many times, many places.  All this stuff is just the consideration of options, many of which are dead ducks.  You lack the nous to make any sensible discrimination whatsoever.  Scientific understanding, if you ever found it, might help you… 

91177info
There is no government legalisation and private companies can virtually spray what they want up there as it been reported on MSM.  So really you don’t have a clue what is being sprayed.  Of course you would say it is just water vapour.  You started your comment thread very defensive/protective and rude.  You think all is well and no damage is being caused to us or our earth, fine.  That’s your instinct.  Mine says something is not right and there are millions of other people who feel the same. 

beachcomber2008
@91177info, I actually C&P’d someone else’s comment which exactly suited this.  I’m not talking about INSTINCT.  I’m talking about EXPERIENCE.  I KNOW there is nothing in the trails and I can PROVE there is nothing in the trails.  You can neither KNOW or PROVE anything.  Aviation fuel is made up to a recipe by the admixture of conditioners to a locally-made petroleum distillate, so it will be subtly different wherever the plane refuels.  But there’s only one type of jetfuel and it’s for ALL planes. 

TBA4Freedom
beachcomber2008, Obviously you didn’t read the entire 163 pages…I can tell by what you are saying. Pull it up again and READ it this time…..then come back and debate with us. 

dbootsthediva
Isn’t it quite the coincidence that Mars has quite an abundance of sulphate.  Perhaps those tubes we have seen on Mars are them harvesting minerals.  Great video. 

maryjaneofthejungle
Chemtrails also (amongst other chemicals) contain barium. The EPA states dose factors under 2 parts per billion is safe from harm.  Rainwater collected after chemspraying has been found to have up to 6 parts per billion.  Jet fuel sometimes referred to as JP-5 or JP-8 is regulated by the Department of Commerce.  Good luck getting a hold of them.  When no1 gives us an answer or we’re completely ignored on a subject we can only believe its something we’d not take well.  Then again I’d ignore any scrambled answer they’d “come up with” at this point.  Two good reasons. Vitamin D kills the flu virus.  And the spray contains chemicals to help the viral envelope fuse with lung cells for easier infection. 

ramptondayrelease
Well done for blocking that muppet. Good info here. 

dickyco2
Contrails, Climate Changing Clouds of Combustion spewed by 8mile high Oil burning “Smogliners” whose exhaust products acts as the nucleus for the formation of ice crystals that are Contrails ,that persist spread to form Contrail-Cirrus a days heat trapping ( as clouds tend to do) thermal blanket of exhaust cloud.  This is Geo-engineering.  Contrails.  Climate Changing Clouds of Combustion.  FairyChemTales a Big Oil spray story to cloud the Environmental Disaster of Vast Oil Burning. 

UkTruthSeeker2009
Chemtrails day & night in UK the sun rarely shows and when it does they are back to cover it.  EVIL GOVERNMENTS. 

nrgstream
Help heal the planet, google ‘orgonite’. It’s a simple compound anyone can create in their backyard with fairly inexpensive, widely-available materials which balances ambient energy by turning the negative energy into positive energy, with many easily-confirmed effects. Orgonite does this continuously, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, without electricity. 

gtb393
Truely infantile. “Look, a plane is flying overhead and there are some rocks on the ground shaped like the letter C.  It’s a clue!  Proof for chemtrails!”.  You’ll never be taken seriously by anyone with critical faculties who can weigh evidence. You’ll just continue to talk amongst your buddies with the same psychological disposition about your escapist fantasies and waste the time of your other friends, pestering us with the latest “proof” for your delusions. Yes, I actually read the document. 

91177info
gtb393 ??? Joined April 24 2007 Channel Views 0 No Favourites No Uploads Comments 0 Channel Comments 0 Now I really do not need to ask what drew you to my vid do I??  All your appearance has done is reaffirm to the thousands of subscribers that:
A: There really is something going on.
B: You’re a SHILL.
C: You’re EVIL
D: You are not welcome here
E: You’re now on my BLOCKED list 

Wecknachricht
now we can go to every official government agencies and present the document and ask for explanation… 

starywron
Great find, mate.  thanks for share it with the rest of us here.  Jazzroc – where are you now, you old fool and lier? 

91177info
BocScar is either working for the CDC or Baxter. He has several accounts jazzroc and stars15k, he has been paid to do this. He/She is using an avatar which is used by the CDC and is listed in the pdf documents that Jane Burgermeister sent me. See my website link on my profile for more info.  There are other shills which have been paid to do this. But BocScar is classic and very persistent. You just have to read through the comments to see what I mean. Love to those that want it. Jason x 

boxa888
hey the weather up here has been weird so far, the whole month of june has been rain, i think its a new record here in this area lol. 

UkTruthSeeker2009
I have a few shills as well youtube is crawling with them trying to confuse chemtrails with contrails LOL There is no argument we’re not stupid I was looking for stuff today and googled reports in the UK AND FOUND ONE AT GLOBAL RESEARCH UK 

91177info
Try this site all the evidence is here in photos/maps and graphs.  asp bnl gov/  Just replace the space with an .  I will get back to this but the swindle flu is the main headlines lol 

BocScar
I never heard of jazzroc and stars15 is a 40 yr old woman.  You’ll need to work harder to pass the detectives exam. 

91177info
Now why on earth would you come back to this video and reply to a new comment thread which wasn’t in reply to one of yours?  I have been waiting for this test for 2 weeks and actually I have just passed my detective exam because you fell for my trap.  BocScar you are a shill, your icon is one used in Baxter International labs which can be seen in Jane Burgermeister’s file charges.  Goodbye. 

graverobber35
Well, dickhead, since you are from england, you HAVE to love moslems. they have taken over your bloody country. Yes, I like guns, that is one of our freedoms here in the US. And I do like women. That would obviously offend a faggot like you. blow it out your windpipe, abdul. 

91177info
Actually, what you say you like doing to women tells me it is actually YOU that has faggot tendencies!  Another moron that uses the same username throughout the web and his email address. You paranoid racist anal loving moron. 

91177info
I am very sorry to use the terminology that graverobber35 has used. They are not words I use and I only used them in context to what he was saying to me. 

graverobber35
Sorry , I lost my tin foil hat in the flood. 

91177info
You lost a lot more than that. Your nothing more than a muslim hating gun loving womanising thug.  This user said that: “mohammed was a child molester” on hardyk1’s channel.  By the way always make sure the barrel of your gun isn’t blocked, not being psychic or anything 😉
 
BocScar
Did you even bother to read the conclusion?  “It is clear from the assessment of geo-engineering options presented here that there are large uncertainties regarding the effectiveness, impacts, technical feasibility, cost and risks of all the schemes considered. As a consequence of these uncertainties, we feel that it is premature at this stage to draw firm conclusions on the feasibility of implementing the schemes discussed”.  They don’t even know if geoengineering is possible! 

91177info
Bother? I’m well bothered.  They are getting private companies to do this. They are? testing it out now! Trying different chemicals and mixtures. With out consulting or warning the public.  Why?  Because we are expendable and our lives and heath doesn’t matter.  It really makes me angry.  I mean really fucking angry. 

BocScar
Did you read the report’s conclusion? They say that they don’t know if geoengineering is even possible.  If they admit in the report that geoengineering might not even be possible, how can you use the report as proof that “chemtrails are real and I believe are happening now with out public consultation.” 

91177info
Because they are lying, thieving, murdering bastards. They killed over a million Iraqi civilians on this plagiarised dossier: Downing Street’s dossier against Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction is accused of plagiarism.  Channel Four News has learnt that the bulk of an intelligence dossier heralded by Colin Powell at the UN yesterday, was copied from three different articles – one written by a graduate student”.  BocScar, Do you really think they will tell us the truth after the above quotes? 

BocScar
 -Because they are lying, thieving, murdering bastards.- I’m talking of the DE & CC document referenced in the video.  On the one hand you accept this document when it speaks of stratospheric aerosols, but on the other hand you reject it when it states that geoengineering might not even be possible.  So is the DE&CC document true or a lie? 

91177info
What do you think I think? 

BocScar
I’m not sure what you think.  I’m not sure. You seem to agree with the parts of the DECC document that fit your preconceived notions, and disagree with the parts that don’t.  You use this government document to “prove” they are conducting geoengineering, but ignore the part where it says that geoengineering might not be possible.  I’m asking for clarification. 

91177info
Going back a couple of months, people like Stars15k, o0Nighthawk0o, Shilltastic and possibly you were stating there was no evidence of such programs and chemtrails were just water vapour. Nothing was and could be sprayed in the skies.  This is a government document which states such programs and is inviting private research companies to share their research and knowledge.  These programs are happening right now.  Stop moving the goal posts.  Chemtrails are real. 

BocScar
-These programs are happening right now.- So according to you the government is publicly inviting research companies and publishing feasibility studies on the Internet while at the same time secretly spraying the sky in full daylight, hoping nobody will notice.  The DECC document offers possible quick fix solutions to mitigate global warming and then it cautions that these solutions are dangerous and might not even be feasible. 

91177info
Private companies are spraying yes.  So at last you acknowledge chemtrails.  Thankyou. 

BocScar
What are private companies spraying in the air? 

91177info
You tell me.  You’re paid to do this “argumentum ad hominem” 

BocScar
You are the one that claims private companies are spraying.  I assume you know what you are talking about.  So please tell me, what private companies are spraying?  I really want to know. 

91177info
Hold on let me look in the yellow pages. 

BocScar
So, I take it you don’t know.  You claim private companies are conducting secret spraying operations but can’t even name one of them.  How can you conclude that private companies are involved?  On what are you basing your statement that private companies are involved? 

neptuneey
We live in a Corporate world, they’re all Private companies. Even you are a corporation. 

BocScar
What’s your point? 

neptuneey
Just looking for human qualities..  U failed. 

BocScar
This isn’t a philosophical discussion about human nature.  The guy made a concrete statement that private companies are spraying the air.  If he knows these companies are private then he must also know their names. 

91177info
If you could just stop beating your bishop for a moment and look at the reply I have sent you. 

BocScar
Stating that the scientific community is researching solutions to our environmental mess is not acknowledging “chemtrails”.  The word “chemtrail” implies covert programs to dumb down the population or block out the sun by deliberately using chemicals.  I do not acknowledge “chemtrails” and I’ve tried to point out that neither does the DECC document. 

91177info
Chemical Contrails then.  Spraying or releasing chemicals via aerosol or the exhaust of aircraft fuel.  They are doing exactly what it says on the tin.  It is interesting you say “dumb down”??  That is very telling BocScar.  I’ve been talking about Global Dimming. 

BocScar
I’ll ask you again.  What are private companies spraying in the air? 

91177info
Page 26 of the pdf states “if other parties, countries and institutions wished to develop a shared approach, DECC would be interested in sharing expertise, and in helping to develop an initial detailed scoping study”.  Google these: ukca ac uk – GLOMAP – SLIMCAT/TOMCAT – CiTTyCAT – EU Aerosol IP – AEROCOM emissions/validation – EUSAAR data 

BocScar
They are looking to partner with the private sector to “develop an initial scoping study”. initial… study…   How do you conclude from that statement that private companies are currently engaged in a global dimming campaign?  These are either feasibility studies, environmental studies and one of them only tries to set research protocols for data base sharing… but never mind…  Which one of those companies is currently engaged in a covert global dimming campaign? 

91177info
WOW BocScar how do “YOU” know about these sites and give an answer so quickly?  Can you do me a favour here?  Please swear on your families life, the generations of your family which are now in the spirit world and ALL the genetic strain of your family in the future that YOU, are not involved in any way with chemtrails, chemical contrails, the military, and the government. And you are just some regular youtube user.  So I BocScar swear (You fill in the rest here) 

BocScar
You told me about the sites…  so I looked at them.  These people can loosely be characterized as atmospheric researchers.  I swear I am not in the service of any government or any secret society to misinform anyone about anything nor am I involved directly or indirectly in perpetrating illegal covert chemical campaigns against the atmosphere or the population. LOL  Look… you make statements like “private companies are spraying”,  “chemtrails are real”.  I’m asking you to explain yourself because I don’t see it.  Every time one asks for some kind of evidence you guys point to publicly available government documents produced by the same government you claim is secretly conducting the spraying.  You claim the DECC document proves “chemtrails” but ignore its conclusion that geoengineering is not advisable and may not even be feasible. 

91177info
Thankyou for swearing BocScar.  All I know is what I see and what I have researched.  I am an artist by trade and I paint landscapes.  I love to draw clouds.  I am always looking at clouds ever since I was 4 years old and my mum pointed out a face in the cloud.  From then on I have always looked up at clouds and I have made faces out of what I see.  Back in February during a landscape photography assignment I became aware of the chemtrails, white lines. That is when the spraying started in my area.  I am a very aware person, I follow the seasons and live with nature.  I love sunsets and follow the moon.  I know where it will be rising with a given tree in my area.  I count the swallows that come and nest here and count the new brood that leaves.  I have a photographic memory and have over 200 art and photography books and know which picture is in which books.  I don’t like change.  BocScar, I know what contrails are.  The white lines now in the sky are not normal, they really aren’t right. 

BocScar
Without a doubt, increased contrail formation has an environmental impact.  I just challenge the notion that it is a covert government operation to block the sun or kill people.  Contrails are a consequence of air travel, just like smog is a consequence of car usage.  I’m just a regular guy and I have never seen any evidence of weather modification other than cloud seeding.  I don’t consider atmospheric research to be geoengineering nor do I consider persistent contrails to be “chemtrails”.  I’ve read the DECC document and it’s a preliminary assessment paper that concludes there are large uncertainties regarding the effectiveness, impacts, technical feasibility, cost and risks of geoengineering. 

dickyco2
BocScar.  Well said.  You must be aware these sad simple believers and their voodoo video Priests of Piffle havent the faintest idea of the Planet they are on or how it works.  But they do share a genuine concern for what they see outside above them.  And so they and you should.  A Jet exhaust made 6-8mile high layer of reflective day heat trapping cloud, Contrail-Cirrus, is a Climate Changing Cloud of Combustion.  A Global unintended Geo-engineering Environmental Disaster. 

91177info
Just google “Downing St dossier plagiarised”.  They lied, they have committed murder.  Something is NOT right here.  Me thinks they will do it again. 

WellSightedGentleman
me too, Bocscar, if hes not being paid by this industry, is totally mind wiped on all of these issues about weather modification, save your energy, Bocscar is insincere and just soapboxs for attention, good or bad.  He knows it’s real he spends everyday trying to talk “WITNESS'” down from what thy’ve seen. But he has no argument at all, he just flames through disjointed arguments, a waste of time dewd 

91177info
He was convincing, but easy to put right.  Thanks for that info. 

BocScar
-if hes not being paid by this industry, is totally mind wiped –  Once again the you demonstrate your ability to come to conclusions without facts.  The same logic leads you to believe “they” are secretly modifying the weather in full daylight and nobody but astute YouTube videographers are clever enough to notice. 

euro944t
Chemtrails are obvious to children now.  They have to say something now.  You rather them disclose it’s part of bio weapons and psych warfare Haarp EMF weapons?  Climate control is a cover story. Now run out and push this disinfo to your neighboors so they pay carbon taxes and believe Al Gore’s scam. 

dbootsthediva
Thank you for this very informative video.  Chemtrail particles are now beginning to be included in Science books and being taught in high schools.  Some Science books are referring to it as ‘PARTICLE AIR”.  See Centerpoint Learning Science 1  Essential Interactions Science Book Section 5:19 Solutions for Global Warming. Peace. 

Skywitness
Here’s and interesting patent: Powder contrail generation  United States Patent 3899144 abstract:  Light scattering pigment powder particles, surface treated to minimize inparticle cohesive forces, are dispensed from a jet mill deagglomerator as separate single particles to produce a powder contrail having maximum visibility or radiation scattering ability for a given weight material. 

BarbarianRebellion
Of coarse you realize that these are the same quacks who are intentionally poisoniong our children with vaccines and makeing males of every species sterile with plastics. And now we are letting them tinker with the only planet we have! 

stuanemma
It actually reads that like they are already doing this and are wondering whether or not doing it on Global level will work… 

1995firefly4dr
don’t want to be the ‘bad guy’ here, but all this document is saying what they have ‘researched’ to be possible solutions to their made-up crisis. It’s certainly no proof of them admitting they are doing the chemtrails currently. 

lithcowtown
very well put together congrads. Geoff 

sorrowfulsun
Excellent work. Thank you! 

WellSightedGentleman
great research!  yep obama announced in jan or feb this year that they may ‘have-to’ fill the sky with aluminium particles to deflect the sun.  theyve backed off here for four days now (touch-wood) after several weeks of constant disbursal.  I am curious as to why they have been so busy over populated areas, a bit sus in light of the foreseen risk to public health. 

BocScar
-after several weeks of constant disbursal.- Disbursal?  I someone handing out money?  What exactly do you believe they are dispersing? 

91177info
Anything they want, under the guise of global warming.  Modern medicine is all about nano particles and aerosol dispersion. 

BocScar
Modern medicine is the only reason we are not being killed by Smallpox like the 500 million that died from it in the 20th century. Nutrition and modern medicine is why our lifespans have doubled.  If “they” have a plan to kill us then better food and medicines are a very strange way to go about it. 

20OnELoVe12
GMO is not a better form of food.. Have you ever watched the commericals for medicine. HA I would rather have whatever it is then all the side effects. Also almost all of them say on rare occasion death may occure. The meds for depression, & ADD, MAKE you a zombie/ makes you want to kill your self or someone else.  AND they have cures for many things that DON’T involve MMM BUT they would rather keep taking the money. BTW Check out Denver international airport Video, and the stonehenge one also. 

BocScar
Ya right! You would rather have the disease then suffer possible side affects of the medication. Tell yourself that the next time you need Penicillin or if you ever get cancer. 

91177info
Very interesting avatar BocScar, can I ask where you got it from? 

BocScar
Google images. I think I typed the keyword “symbols”. I’ve always found the image geometrically interesting. 

20OnELoVe12
Penicillin is a natural antibiotic.  Another things I also stated was that they have cures USING natural things to cure such diseases or illness.. They to have the CURE for cancer and diabates…I CAN’T SPELL sue me if anything is wrong.. LOL.. For things such as RLS, Sleeping or non sleeping issues or if my minds run in circles do to ADD.  NO I WILL not take what they have made.  They have moved AWAY from the things nature gives us & that is scary. 

BocScar
If Penicillin is a natural derivative or not is irrelevant to my comment. You said you would prefer to suffer the disease than possible side affects from the treatment.  Good for you.  I don’t care if you can’t spell or express yourself any more than I care if you refuse to take prescribed medication. 

20OnELoVe12
I will take medicine if it is Natural that is what I’m saying.. if you don’t care why did you come back an waste time typing.  Anyways,,, CHEMtrails are real… Good luck with seeing that.. Peace to you 

BocScar
Bla bla bla… If you ever get cancer, you will take anything that will save your life, whether it’s “natural” or not. 

20OnELoVe12
All this time and you come back BLA BLA BLA you don’t know me.. If I ever develop cancer.. I WILL FIGHT each and every doctor and/or Organization for the REAL cure that they have hidden from Humanity… TRUST THAT… Cancer HAS A CURE… 

thetruthergirls
Weed oil, laetrile (B17), MMS, lots of things. 

ExquisiteDoom
Without inflamations, you CAN’T? get cancer. Thought you’d like to know. 

91177info
If the earth is allowed to do its natural thing. Extra sun and heat/radiation will evaporate MORE water from the oceans, so creating more natural cloud cover, then natural rain. They don’t want that, they only want death to tell you the truth.  They are not in harmony with the earth just their ego sociopathic conversations at the dinner table. 

WellSightedGentleman
someones getting money to fly around in no particular route to disburse particulated dust that effect the weather. To ‘disburse’ means to ‘spread out” it isnt a term money specific.  What they are disbursing is currently under investigation and double blind back testing is now being performed in several reputable universities to determine exactly whats in the air in the disbursal areas.  I told u b4 Its not an issue of belief why do you debunkers always fall back on the same emotive arguments? 

BocScar
-double blind back testing is now being performed in several reputable universities – Links please.  I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that nowhere in any of these studies will they mention “chemtrails” or “secret government dimming operations”.  These are probably typical environmental studies but you guys use them as evidence that someone is looking into your paranoid claims. 

BocScar
You know for a fact that they are spraying but you don’t know what they are spraying.  OK.  Let’s start with this: How do you know they are deliberately spraying chemicals? 

silkcat51
What gets me when I point out/complain about this to others is that they tell me–there couldn’t possibly be a deliberate poisoning agenda, because they would be poisoning their own children/families.  Don’t know what to say back. 

bushdidit2u911
great research! there are similar documents” not as specific” on the CFR website under the title”geo-engineering” where obamas team had recently updated the site to include planetary engineering techniques! but this blows that away!  awesome work!  is there a link to the original document!  would love to see and spread to all!!!! 

stuanemma
In the description… 

danielvincentkelley
You know what might shut down this operation?  A pilots strike.  Anytime you board an aircraft or are within air shot of an airliner pilot, you should educate them about chemtrails being aluminum and pathogens and neither being healthy for people. If enough pilots knew that they were killing their own sons and daughters with their flying spraying aluminum, maybe they’d strike. Airport protests also sounds like a good idea. 

jbreezes
I just heard the second person from NC who is a patriot claim contrails ALWAYS looked the way chemtrails do.  Shows how successfully the media (with the subliminals and chemtrail backgrounds) have conditioned people to believe it’s always been like this and is normal.  The f*ckin media suceeded.  Check out ironhorse’s vid on clipser. Arrgh 

danielvincentkelley
Patriot?  More likely traitor and on the pay roll of the disinformational establishment.  I stopped a random state senator on the street outside the statehouse and asked if he noticed the chemtrails pointing at the sky.  He asked me why they’re spraying.  I told him the global warming excuse AND that it’s aluminum and pathogens and more likely REALLY to murder people.  He seemed genuinely interested and mildly aware, like he had noticed.  People pretending they don’t see it are most likely traitors. 

WellSightedGentleman
the real downside being that the generation “y” who are present in abundance online, havnt experienced alot of unmanipulated weather in their life.  Born after 85′ and these young adults have nothing to rate the appearance of the sky against.  Therefore theyre quite unconcerned with ‘them’ making clouds… easily fooled by the bogus ‘disinf’ websites that abound online.  theyve been blinded.  our hope is with the older generations who can remember. 

philwarinsky
This is the format of a decent video – loaded with information.  Thankyou. 

gangstagrannie
Yes, they do appear to spray more at night. Hands up who’s noticed the thick fog we often get overnight in the season they call ‘summer’? 

Diatonic135
dude, since february this year i’ve been seeing them.  it’s warm where i live plus i camp a lot, so since february i’ve seen an incremental increase in chemtrailing. 

GODLOVESUSSOMUCH
Hey my dear and intelligent friends! I truly hope that none of you are fooled by their attempts to say they are trying to prevent climate change and its quickening pace! Mankind may be 1% at fault, but It’s not us alone AT ALL, causing the Globe to warm, its Solar Cycles, over 30000 scientists have proven this and know it, as millions of others do! The elite know they can’t reverse it, they? know many prophetic events will occur before Global Warming’s effects even reach a height! God Bless all! 

gangstagrannie
Yes GODLOVESUSSOMUCH, you are right. ALL of the planets are warming – even the uninhabited ones – which proves without doubt that this is a ‘natural’ occurrance.  Don’t people ever think back to their school days?  THEY taught us that climate change has occurred in the past and that mankind survived it – even without paying carbon tax!  LOL to the carbon tax!  Thanks for continuing this truthful point, that any sane person can and will see, sadly many intelligent people hold on to what some corrupted or misinformed scientists, have stated as true science, when its not! Keep spreading the good truth bro, even that which is not sugar coated, just as God did not sugar coat the times we are in & nearing. There are troubles ahead, yet an eternally happy ending for those that seek the path of love & truth found in Christ!  God Bless! 

danielvincentkelley
First Chemtrails is no solution for global warming. Global warming is about done anyhow. We’re running out of oil to pollute the skys with and the north pole already melted into the oceans which has a chilling effect that has been studied and shown to cause ICE AGE in an average 3 years. Ice Age is the new problem. 2nd, it’s not about whether people will survive, of course we will. But its a matter of what living conditions we’ll experience and it’s not looking good at all. 

91177info
Very true I made a video about this 2 weeks ago. There are so many different reasons for why the spraying is happening and over night they could decide to spray something totally different. People are getting used to seeing white lines in the sky so if they decided to suddenly spray Agent US or Brucella people wouldn’t even know or question, they would say “That plane is low today” As the elite are safely underground. 

GODLOVESUSSOMUCH
Yooo MR 77info! That’s the truth of this sick matter right there, they don’t care and even though they are not at all ashamed of their evil agenda, they definitely do much more spraying at night, to secure that their plans will not be headed or stopped like history has shown their plans to be, and they will again…They don’t learn, at least that which is important! Also so true how they try to make these trails seem so casual, putting them in tv media advertisements, even games and movies! =) 

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CHEMTRAIL VIDEO COMMENTS 

wow, the american media has hit a new low. no wonder there are so many stupid people who believe in chem trails, with the american population trusting everything the media throws in front of them it is no wonder that people believe in chem trails.
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Chemtrails are well documented tainted airplane exhaust comtrails saturating and obliterating our skies with deadly toxins. Soda pop is an out dated term for carbonated sugar water. Why are there so many hateful naysayers trying to obscure discussion and critical research into these matters? Hmmm…
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No, why are you SO STUPID as to believe that:
1. Contrails CAN’T be persistent.
2. Their contents can be collected by trays on the ground, and NOTHING else will get in the trays.
3. That the US can AFFORD to cover the Earth in Barium, Aluminum, Silver.
4. That it is POISONING you (yet NO-ONE has died).
5. That passenger planes CAN be fitted with poison sprays, yet no-one DIES, “FINGERS”, GETS INFECTED.
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“Chemtrails” ARE SODA POP. Put them through a carbon filter for sure, and each mile of “chemtrail” will get you a crate of soda pop.
The stratosphere is stable and layered like an onion with layers of differing humidities. A “saturated” layer will NOT reabsorb the trail, which will slowly fall and form stratus or cirrus cloud. That is what you see…
Want some soda pop? I’m nuts for soda pop! Are you?
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Yo Jazzroc–when they do go live with the mass extermination and you’re dying from Ebola, enjoy that soda (you probably like the stuff that has Aspartame in it). Meanwhile, a global network of responsible citizens is forming to confront this menace.
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“Responsible citizens” are people who THINK before they ACT. In your case, you’ve a job ahead of you – to LEARN to THINK. I’d rather that people like you were supporting the NWO – you’d mess them right up!
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1) We need an comprehensive global ban on these practices. 

2) There needs to be an international inspection regime over all aircraft worldwide with criminal penalties for the existence of aerosol dispersal devices. 

3) National security exclusions to FOIA requests need to be abrogated and immediate worldwide disclosure of these practices documented. 

Document redaction should be criminalized.
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Jolly good. Best use the UN for this. Haha. But apparently (so the scuttlebutt goes!) the UN is PART of the conspiracy to, er, depopulate… 

Best draw up a World Citizens’ Army then. Then fly about from airport to airport enforcing… 

Those that don’t can get their videocams out and film you “spraying” as you go, and SHOOT you when you land… 

 

ALTN2

‘You’re quoting a research report.’ 

Correct. From 1992. Spraying operations began by most people’s accounts, in late 1998. 

Keep in mind, this report was authorized by Congress and sponsored by the National Academy of Sciences. This report concludes that this technique of aerial spraying is the most cost effective and efficient method (of the varius options mentioned) for increasing planetary albedo in response to a “global warming” scenario. 

Senior researchers, faculty, theoreticians, atmospheric scientists, department heads and CEO’s from a multitude of prestigious institutions took part in this report. 

The Smithsonian, Harvard, General Motors, Cambridge, MIT, Yale, World Resources Institute, National Center for Atmospheric Research, the Secretary General of the United Nations, Oxford, Brookings Institution, Columbia University, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Carnegie-Mellon University, Princeton University, Brown University, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, and there’s more, if you look. 

‘It’s the title, isn’t it? Filming a harmless event with the false implication of harm can cause needless distress and foment discord, even if you believe you’re saving the world…’ 

I’d like you to start a journey of discovery, that is, if you are willing. Since we agree that even if it’s water up there, and nothing harmful at all… you will now begin to see the darker side of the science of geoengineering. 

Google this US patent: US5003186 

Notice the patent holder? Hughes Aircraft (now Raytheon) is one of the US’s largest defense contractors in the area of Aerospace. 

Read what’s in the mix, my friend… 

‘2. The method of claim wherein said material comprises one or more of the oxides of metals.’ 

‘…aluminum oxide’
‘…thorium oxide’
‘…Welsbach materials’ 

You read up on Welsbach materials. That’s your homework assignment.  

ALTN3

A method is disclosed for reducing atmospheric warming due to the greenhouse effect resulting from a greenhouse gases layer. The method comprises the step of seeding the greenhouse gas layer with a quantity of tiny particles of materials characterized by wavelength-dependent emissivity or reflectivity, in that said materials have high emissivities in the visible and far infrared wavelength regions and low emissivity in the near infrared wavelength region. Such materials can include the class of materials known as Welsbach materials. The oxides of metal, e.g., aluminum oxide, are also suitable for the purpose. The greenhouse gases layer typically extends between about seven and thirteen kilometers above the earth’s surface. The seeding of the stratosphere occurs within this layer. The particles suspended in the stratosphere as a result of the seeding provide a mechanism for converting the blackbody radiation emitted by the earth at near infrared wavelengths into radiation in the visible and far infrared wavelength so that this heat energy may be reradiated out into space, thereby reducing the global warming due to the greenhouse effect. 

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5
,003,186.PN.&OS=PN/5,003,186&RS=PN/5,003,nh-P186 

Very interesting. I have a few questions: 

Do commercial turbofan engine injectors safely pass these refractory solids between 10 and 100 microns? 

How do filamentary materials figure in all this? 

Or biological materials? 

You realise that a single “coating” (1 particle/sq.cm) for the US weighs 170,000 tonnes? and you’d have to renew it? 

Well, 170,000 tonnes is within any major paint manfr’s brief I suppose. But DELIVERY would be HARD. 

And treating the globe would be outside our capabilities.  

ALUMINUM/BARIUM

The Aluminum-Barium argument is rendered obsolete by the YouTube clip below 

 

Why squander fuel, occlude your skies, and poison your population, when this CHEAPER AND MORE PRACTICAL operation can be carried out in the South Atlantic and Pacific? 

The clip is one of FIVE WAYS TO COOL THE EARTH – a googlevid. 

The price of space mirrors and artificial trees is FAR too high, rocketed sulfur FAR too risky, only this idea and ocean phytoplankton feeding make sound practical and economic sense, can be begun TODAY, and carried out in WEEKS. 

Co-opting living creatures is a million times MORE EFFECTIVE than employing technology. 

  

ANDERS

I DON’T believe what any government says, ever. If it said “It’s a fine day”, I’d run out and check BOTH front AND back. And THEN I’d REMAIN NERVOUS 

What SO pisses me off is that FAR TOO FEW PEOPLE think PROPERLY 

Do you realise HOW WEAK a people is when it doesn’t have sufficient scientific understanding? When it CANNOT follow a LOGICAL train of thought? 

When it lacks the basic life-skills to SURVIVE technological collapse? 

CT supporters are HARDENED in their weakness. They FEAR science, which is in truth their ONLY salvation. They don’t know how to farm, make clothes, make things, make provisions – they barely know how to cook. If the NWO WERE to “depopulate” them, they’d murder each other at the doors of empty supermarkets 

There are MANY ironies. Earlier govt attempts to protect people from germ warfare are NOW construed as “practice” attempts at depopulation. 

SMALL experiments of geo-engineering are NOW considered PROOF of of govt attempts to reduce immunity. The list goes on and on…. 

If there is to be a conflagration (and 2012 seems about right to me!) then I REALLY DON’T WANT TO BE INVOLVED. I DO NOT WANT TO BE KILLED IN SOME GADARENE STAMPEDE! 

Maybe human “civilisations” CANNOT LAST. It is ANOTHER IRONY, it seems to me, that once we lived in continual fear of NUCLEAR SPASM (THE BANG!) and now it seems it’s going to be SOCIO-ECONOMIC COLLAPSE (THE WHIMPER!) brought about, in part, by the CHEMTRAIL PARANOIA. The rest, and greater part, of course, seems to be the moral collapse of the US govt. 

EVERY PILLAR of the “chemtrail” hypothesis proves on examination to be UTTERLY FALSE. It is based on BAD SCIENCE and LOOSE ASSOCIATION. It is a complete and utter CHIMAERA – a tragic waste of time – only distinguishable from WARFARE by its LACK OF DEATHS. 

But it has PLENTY OF VICTIMS, and PLENTY MORE TO COME… 

Jesus casting out the Gadarene Swine

DISCOVERY?

beachcomber2008

@tgambill
“911-martial-fourth planned coup-1934-1963-1972-Executive O 11647-11731-1973-Failed-passed -Trilateral Com-1974-Obama-three weeks”
Great stuff.  Means bugger-all when “chemtrails” turn out to be plain old contrails and you turn out to be bottom of your class in atmospheric physics.  How long have you spent in this totally useless activity?  Just think how much of your life you would save if you went to school.  Just think of the good things you could have been doing instead.

irojioqopiewjr

Sure it just so happens.  Why should I believe you when all you do is spread hatred.  Only you will be on here 24/7 next week and thereafter unless you change your account name again. The vulgar way you speak to others in these chat rooms I hope I never have to see you in the hospital or call your hotline

fricktionvixen

I spend a total of 2 hours a day ridiculing those who continue sick fear mongering practices. It’s just so happened that I have a week off from work. How about you?  I am employed, I work 2 jobs to support my family.
1. I am an Emergency 911 operator and
2. Bio/chemical technician.

tgambill

Those with the alleged IQ are being very stupid about this time unless they wake up before the next 911, martial law, a fourth planned military coup.  Three planned military coups were attempted in our history as evidenced by congressional investigation in 1934, one in 1960 -1963 and that scum named Nixon planned one from 1969 to 1972, as evidenced by Executive Order 11647 and 11731 in 1972 to 1973.  Failed but passed on to the Trilateral Commission in 1974. Obama completed this plan three weeks ago.
Science is made up by the money and control by the Masons, CFR, and Rockefeller foundation money. Try again with your fantasies. History is proven to be fabricated, science goes out to the Agenda set by the emerging world order. 300 microbiologists were murdered around the year 2000 to 2002….the names are available.  You best wake up before our next civil war and martial law does.
@frick….I spend no hours, I know they are real. Factual Documented Scientific information….lol….:)) Oh, like the age of the universe, or the we now came from fish or better yet, Global warming?  Please, I’ll read Wizard of Oz another Illuminati production for fun. 🙂

irojioqopiewjr

How many hours in a day do you spend ridiculing others and spreading your lies?  24/7.  You’re on all the pages doing the same thing.  Gosh you sure do spend a lot of time 24/7 on pages that you know are just hoopla.  You must be part of the 22% of unemployed Americans.  You’ve got too much time on your hands or your getting paid by Cass Sunstein and his COINTELPRO agency.
Expanding chemtrails can be seen daily now in my town. This is not even physically possible but it happens daily. Look up!

fricktionvixen

lol great comment moneymail002.  ‘your overlords’ – My overlords are your overlords according to your belief system.  If such overlords exist they’re in power and you are just a simple taxpayer just like the rest of us.  lol  So why would you think you’ve gained freedom from them?  How many hours in a day do you spend convincing yourself that chemtrails are real?  I wish you spent and equal number of hours reading factual documented scientific information and used some constructive critical thinking as well.  Perhaps you would discover that the world isn’t such a scary place after all.

moneymail002

Why do people sit there and say their government IS doing this or that?  All of your “proof” is based on unproven assumptions and has no validity whatsoever; it originates in this RELIGION that says the government and scientists are some sort of entirely separate social tier concerned mainly with the destruction of the rest of society.  Yet for some reason you seem shocked when people with an IQ and an understanding of science above those of the average monkey refuse to believe your crap.

fricktionvixen

cointelpro?  Goodness, did it ever cross your mind that perhaps these people who are commenting in regards to the propaganda TrutherD1 is spreading, are simply stating hard scientific facts to disperse the multitude of crap built up around stupid conspiracy theories?

tgambill

The conspiracy is true.  The crap is made up of those lying about a conspiracy theory…there is no theory.  It is fact.  Most all of the events today and in the past are part of this unified conspiracy.  The evidence is irrefutable.  If you want I can send you the references, thumbnail list, of 8 pages and a chronology that is supported by scholarily research that covers over 140 pages+ a summary. bring it on.

beachcomber2008

@tgambill
I know your “list”.  It is pseudoscience.  Your “evidence” isn’t refutable because it isn’t evidence.  8 pages of pseudoscience only has value as COMPOST.  ALL your miserable “work” has been through contrailscience. com and jazzroc. wordpress, com and been torn to shreds.  Such shreds are plant food.  Are you a plant?  Do you photosynthesize?  You certainly don’t THINK.

tgambill

lol….you types are all alike.  You actually think that your useless diatribe is effective.  There isn’t a history or economic professor that could refute the truth.  They can lie, and then go to the CFR bank as they are prostitutes for the eiltes like Ayn Rand was.  You just might have a point.  Its easier for you people to lie and deny since you apparently have no soul.  The truth however won’t be denied in due time.  There is nothing you can do about that.
Oh, your overlords are getting ready to pull something. They just don’t know that they are signing their own death warrant.

beachcomber2008

@tgambill
Yeah.  It’s been tough here in Tenerife.  My God, man, it RAINED here last night!  I had to pick my way round the puddles as I walked down the town with my dear little dog to buy some bread and ham for my breakfast.  Then when I returned to my desk I discovered I was in “communication” (apparently) with a blind and stupid egocentric arsehole blowing out compost, and believing it to be “truth”.  SCIENCE refutes your miserable and pathetic lies with ease.  “History” “Economics”? LOL

fricktionvixen

Well said beachcomber2008.

barubba

YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS: ULTIMATE PROOF OF CHEMTRAIL SPRAYING!  watch?v=MRUqogeAgHo  watch?v=VLA0yejkeYM  watch?v=qSDkdOpjiSc&feature=re lated

TheOcturian1111

NASA = Admit Zero!  We are not idiots, we are a collective, we are oneness, we are 11:11 we are awakened giants.

eruditemaestro1

@beachcomber2008
Thank you so much for the compliments!  I appreciate your acknowledgement of my informative channel.  By all means, you are welcome to view my channel at any time.  Bye bye for now JAZZ(BANNED)ROC.

Derfglouglou

ffs… Nut cases from A to Z…

Razr89A

Why do people sit there and say their government isn’t doing this or that, instead of actively questioning said government?  Why defend something you have no idea about..

beachcomber2008

@Razr89A
Why propose something of which you are completely ignorant?  You do.  The reflection of this ignorance is the ignorance you so foolishly project upon others.  It is confirmed by the lies you have already accepted.  And the consequences of which, which you haven’t,  because you certainly lack the means to foresee them.  The bill for this life course direction will be paid in full by you – one day.

tgambill

@truther..those that are going after you are more than likely cointelpro. Alex Jones gets his stuff from them and in fact works for the elites as does Ron Paul (Mason) and Naomi Wolf.  They are the ones pretending to be on our side but work different roles for the globalist.

TrutherD1

@tgambill, Thanks for the heads-up – I know you’re right. For the last few months the same guys have been responding with aggression and ridicule even of legitimate and recognized science.  It quickly became obvious their whole mission here is to parrot the govt. story and ridicule and distract good people seeking honest answers.

tgambill

Now, link the chemicals with mind control, ELF and GWEN Towers, and HAARP.  This should really get your interest peaked when “DISCLOSURE” and “Day of Declaration” comes in July, with the Benjamin Creme and this weirdo named Maitreya. They work together.  The chemtrails have Barium Oxide, Aluminum Oxide (rainbow colors) and Barium Chloride on occasion.  The purpose is to destroy the immune system and in fact the chemicals have killed off the bee population.  The bees account for 80% of the natural food supply.  This will aid in the food genocide later to support Kissinger’ NSSM 200 Depopulation Plan to reduce the worlds population.  In heavy spraying causes seizures, Pre-mature births, lung problems, etc…it is a conspiracy, fact.

firstwave2

show yourself shill’

TrutherD1

@beachcomber2008, Yeah they send weather balloons once, twice a day, sometimes hourly.  If conditions say no contrails ’til 10km and you see a low-level trail it would make sense to become suspicious.

beachcomber2008

All the fraudulent Rosalind’s questions have normal scientific answers.  Patrick Minnis is the foremost expert on satellite atmospheric studies.  Particulates made of ICE CANNOT BE POLLUTION.  Viruses, fungi and bacteria, are brought down by the water in the atmosphere.  William Thomas doesn’t seem to notice that complaints come from cities, which ARE places you DO get viruses, fungi and bacteria.  A bollocks programme, and a bollocks post…

TrutherD1

@beachcomber2008, Do you work for the government?  What’s the harm in investigating?

beachcomber2008

@TrutherD1
investigating something for which there is already an accurate and cogent explanation is a waste of time which would have been better spent investigating something worthwhile.  You and the fraudulent bitch above are worse than useless – YOU are just about as harmful as you can get without actually “chemtrailing” yourself.  Do I make myself clear, DUMMY?

ar5281ar

heavy chemtrails again today! DAILY when i can see the blue skies!

lipoicacid

Research ”ENMOD” treaty at the U.N. site, State department website and read ”Between Two Ages”.  The water supply is ”poisoned” and so now is the food supply genetically modified.  This was done decades before without approval by ”representatives”.

TrutherD1

Discovery basically avoids the real issue. Just search for “chemtrails” and check any other result than this one. LOL

AgentHuggyBear

Powerful stuff!, great video mate!.  Check out peyote the band on my space.  The track “Don’t Waste Any Time” mentions this stuff.  Nice to hear this message making it into the mainstream!

sedg1

@brad213 – they are creating ‘ climate change’ to unite the world into a one world government, and to acheive the ‘mother earth ‘cults agenda.

lipoicacid

I always leave room for doubt…  but I will you are right on because I have some of the evidence.

brad213

We all breathe the same air.  What would anyone benefit from poisoning the oxygen within our atmosphere.  Wouldnt it be easier to poison our water supplies?

ar5281ar

scaremenga, you really are brillant aren’t u?  have you checked out the unemployment rate lately?  god, there’s SO MUCH work out there isn’t there!  LMAO!  p.s. the perfect slave believes he’s free, u are a perfect slave!  chemtrails daily when i can see the blue skies!

barubba

YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS: ULTIMATE PROOF OF CHEMTRAIL SPRAYING!  watch?v=MRUqogeAgHo  watch?v=VLA0yejkeYM

finodigrassio

chemtrails are there to prohibit ufos from entering our atmosphere. research the magnetic and energetic properties of chemtrails and probable
ufo propulsion systems

socaljay45001

can you tell me more about this?

MrBlueSky36863

Here’s an interview with a guy who used to be on the inside of the chemtrails project, aka clover leaf?  Give it a listen, make up your own mind.  it won’t let me post this thing for some reason, so I’ll try it without the URL, instead just put the following into the youtube search browser.  Ex government employee talks about chemtrails

mrfatandslow

i really dont know what to say. you need to slow down and think about what your saying!

Skywitness

Chemtrail spraying is boldly being done right over unprotected civilian populations, such as what is happening in the following video: v=uRoNDxAWQo4

scaremenga

Again with the go back to sleep?  Isn’t the job of “Truthers” to wake those who are asleep up?  LOL.  Yeah, I should be asking that question.  Why would they want to kill us slowly?  So they can have more work to do?  it would be easier to enslave us all, especially if they are as advanced as you people say they are.  How do you know how much they plan to eliminate? Did they publish a “NWO Manifesto” somewhere?

ar5281ar

WOW is right!  CONtrails daily when i can see the blue skies! scaremenga and mrfatandslow PLEASE go back to sleep or just get a good copy of the 911 commission report, should keep you sheeple busy for YEARS!

MsSmileyA

WOW to all u idiots who really beleive that our government is trying to take care of you=== UR A BUNCH OF IDIOTS!  It’s because of ignorant people like you that these things are going on.  Use COMMON SENSE!  Look in the sky.  When would normal planes blow out THICK FLUFFY clouds of smoke that hang in the air for hours up to a full day?  THEY DONT!  &if you’ve ever seen these planes – they will blow out the chemicals and stop.  If this was normal engine ejections they would continue the whole flight!

mrfatandslow

whats it like to live a life of such deep paranoid thoughts that you believe the goverment wants to kill you?  enjoy your fantasy world!

QuietRiot91

@scaremenga
“Why would the “NWO” want to destroy the population.”  Are you sure you should really be asking that question?  That is in fact one of their “goals” if you will.  They plan to eliminate about 90% of the worlds population.

KrazedKitten

scaremenga a lot of it has to do with weather manipulation and radar obscuration.  Unfortunately, what they’re using to do this is not healthy for us to be breathing.

golfisgreat123

no your a stuped fucking bastard when a jet engine burns its fuel you get vapor that comes out the back which is harmless water freezing

jrnesbit

problem with opinions is some of them have no base or real concrete evidence, and a lot of opinions are formed by subjective, emotional thinking instead of logical thought.  So most of these things you call opinions are instead theories or speculations.  I just saw yesterday for the first time in my life about 30 “trails” in the sky in my area.  I have a couple ideas of what they are, but I have not encountered enough evidence either way to sway me into a conspiracy opinionist.

ar5281ar

scaremenga please go back to sleep, awesome vid KarakulBrigand!  watch STESSO AEREO, SCIE DIVERSE!  4 trails only 2 persist!  awesome catch!  i see someone doesn’t like this one, they spammed u! lol! ANOTHER day with chemtrails here in s.e.wisconsin today, daily when i can see the blue skies!  just gotta observe daily and not believe WORDS that are fed to you! ps. polarized sunglasses are a priceless tool!
 
scaremenga

LOL. I thought the mission of people like you were to wake up these “sheeple” and here you are telling me to go back to sleep, into my world of “fantasies”.  I’d rather die in me sleep, metaphorically speaking, than die wide awake.  That’s just me.  ROFL.  Don’t call me an ignorant loser either.  I used to believe in chemtrails too, but evidence I found on a variety of unbiased websites, like the one with the largest datebase of aircraft photos, has obviously reversed my views.  couldn’t help this, but aren’t you guys feeding me words right now?  In the form of videos and flame comments?  You’re no better than the people you’re “fighting against”!

KarakulBrigand

Watch this vid: STESSO AEREO, SCIE DIVERSE! same plane, different trails!  Four trails two persist two do not.

brownsugar15068

set up because they know once they scare everybodi into getin the swine flu shot there are gonna be plenty of deaths oh and guess what isnt that what they want to depopulate the planet so there will be less people to control in the new world order do research because im not making any of this up to scare anyone its all fact there are tons of videos on youtube that that prove me right thanks for the complement also an f ur taught to keep an open mind then open ur mind to some research

scaremenga

I did do some research.  I was also taught that just because someone has an opposing viewpoint, doesn’t mean they are wrong.  Everyone’s entitled to their opinions, just as you are.  Were you taught that in school?  There’s tons of videos that prove me right too.  Why would the “NWO” want to destroy the population.  Who wants to rule a crippled population?  Even if they dominate the world, then they’ll have billions of sick *frankly* losers under their whips. How fun.

brownsugar15068

yes I have no clue wat a grid system or sumthin is maby I should look it up but if our govornment loves us so much why do they have fema camps set up all over the usa why do they have concrete cofins ur an idiot and yes they do because they dont want us riseing against the new world order there tryna creat okay in high school they teach you to obey obey obey and college is just more enslavement for the people why do people go to college get out an work at walmart if thats the case then you dont need to go to college u brainwashed dummy they also tryna kill us with there swine flu shoots why do we need mercury and swaline in out bodies cuz they tryna kill us and these are some of the ingr
 
scaremenga

I’m not brainwashed to obey; the exact opposite in fact.  All of my teachers, especially my AP Euro teacher, encourages us to maintain an open mind.  He links Europe’s sour past with ignorance and obedience.  And if there’s anybody against total obedience, it would be me.  Did I ever judge you personally?  No.  So there’s no purpose to call me an idiot.  If swine flu shots are so bad, don’t get them.  You’re not forced to.  Instead of accusing, maybe you should research the grid system. contrails

jnoort

I am sorry I pissed you off.  What does the space preservation act actually say about chemtrails?  Contrails can be persistent, if the humidity of the surrounding air is high.  It’s not rocket science.  If the air is dry, the contrails will sublimate quickly, turning the ice crystals into water vapour.  If the air is humid, the surrounding air can’t hold more water than it already does, and the contrail is persistent.

brownsugar15068

Umm I dont have to sit in front of a computer to view chemtrails I can walk out side ansee them all over the sky like some one is spraying chemicals in an orderly fashion so to your answer ur question you are the dumb one

scaremenga

I’m the dumb one for saying that the government doesn’t want dumb people?  Which they don’t?  Why are contrails showing up in an orderly fashions?  Why don’t you Google the flight grid for your local area, you’ll notice that it’s comprised of lines following “orderly fashion[s]”, it keeps air traffic in a structured matter.  Better yet, why don’t you get the tail numbers of these sprayers?  And then track them online?  Maybe you’ll be able to see they aren’t government-sprayers, and just innocent pax.

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Contrails or chemtrails? October 24, 2008
Posted by David Cenciotti in Aviation, Military Aviation.

In the last years I have watched a proliferation of pictures showing aircraft flying at high altitudes followed by their characteristic white trails (I discussed this thing in Italian in this post: Scie di condensazione o scie chimiche?). In most cases, these images aim to highlight aircraft that, according to someone, can be associated with weather modification or military experimentation. Usually, those people use the term “chemtrails”, the short for chemical trails, a definition which comes from contrails, short for condensation trails.
Let me say that I’m sure that some kind of testing has been conducted with similar aims and that someone is probably studying the possibility of changing the climate somewhere. However, I’m also sure that the majority of the images that have been circulating on the Internet show a normal phenomenon that has nothing to do with a conspiracy or with the attempts possibly done by some nation to modify the weather using airplanes.
Contrails appear from the quick condensation of the water vapour that is contained in the exhaust of the engines and in the surrounding air (due to a quick decrease in pressure and temperature) and crystallization of it around the solid aerosol particles ejected by the aircraft’s engines. As temperatures where the change of state happens are extremely low (from -40° Celsius), contrails should appear from altitudes around 8,500 meters. (The ISA, International Standard Atmosphere, has a ground temperature of 15° C and a vertical temperature gradient of -6.5° C/1000 meters).
Actually, since the standard atmosphere is quite different from a real one, contrails can be seen also when aircraft are flying at lower altitudes (I remember watching an F-104 generating contrails above the mountains in central Italy in 1991 at altitudes around 3,000 meters). Furthermore, temperature aside, condensation depends also on the humidity of the air, which influences the persistence and form of the trails. The higher the humidity, the greater the possibility of ice crystals.
Trails are not static, but can expand or narrow depending on the wind (at altitude it is usually different in direction and intensity from ground level). The contrails can be continuous or intermittent, if the aircraft encounters different temperature and humidity conditions. Obviously, the trails follow the path of the aircraft, and for this reason, if the airplane turns, the trail will simply follow the same “route”. If the aircraft is circling, the trail will assume an elliptical or round shape (according to the type of orbit the aircraft is performing). Should you see such non-straight contrails, you shouldn’t worry: there are many aircraft that need to circle to perform their normal activities (not related to any weather modification test). Consider AWACS that have to maintain a particular working area for several hours, or aircraft involved in testing activities, or tankers involved in air-to-air refueling activities that follow the so-called “racetracks” while waiting for their receivers.
If many contrails appear more or less at the same time, or in the same place, don’t be surprised: the sky is crossed by hundreds of invisible airways that connect reporting points and radio navigation aids. This means that people who live next to a waypoint or a VOR of an important airway could be overflown by a large amount number of contrails. If other aircraft flying nearby don’t generate a contrail, this is also normal: air traffic control separates flights both horizontally and vertically and it is possible (if not probable) that some planes, encountering certain conditions, generate condensation trails, while others do not.
From a meteorological point of view, even if they look similar to the clouds, the contrails are not necessarily associated with any weather phenomenon. They can move, change shape, translate but can’t bring rain, snow, turbulence etc. Conversely, the presence of contrails in a particular area could denote a high humidity condition in that zone.
Needless to say, the condensation clouds I explained in a recent post have nothing to do with chemistry or weather modification tests. Particular conditions of temperature and humidity, during cruise at high altitudes, can generate condensation clouds along with contrails thus leading to large trails of condensed vapor, that are very spectacular (a couple of interesting examples can be found on Airliners.net: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0980583/L/ and http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0695203/L/).
The following pictures depict the contrails generated by a flight of two Swiss F-18s overflying Axalp

I took the following picture on May 18, 2008 with a Nokia E61i mobile phone (hence the poor quality) from my house. It shows a contrail at night, lit up by the Moon.

JazzRoc – April 30, 2009

Thanks for your informative blog on “chemtrails”.
It is true that aircraft have been commissioned at intervals to spread silver iodide molecules to seed rainfall. These are light aircraft, difficult to see because they fly beneath the base of a storm cloud.
It is also true that rockets and drone aircraft have been deployed to emit a burst of metal ions for radar reflectivity trials, and also true that military aircraft emit bursts of metallized glass fibres (called chaff) during maneuvers or wartime missions.
But, as you say, ALL other trails are merely ice crystals which condense from the exhausts of jet engines when the stratospheric humidity is higher than average.
What you might not know is that 17% of the stratosphere is supersaturated on average, and when an aircraft flies through these conditions, the exhaust ice crystals “seed” the deposition of MORE ICE. This deposition is not a LITTLE more, but can be a GREAT DEAL more – in the order of ONE to TEN THOUSAND TIMES more.
This means that a 3,000-mile jumbo flight can liberate 80,000 tons of ice out of the stratosphere.
This makes a BIG, BIG trail which can spread out wider than horizon-to-horizon.
It is NO WONDER that it causes concern amongst the unaware, and makes them susceptible to conspiracy theories.
However, scientific analysis of the effects of aircraft ice cirrus cloud cover shows that the overall effect of aviation is not yet discernible – for the Earth is a VERY large thing…
Fifty years of expanding aviation trade WILL significantly affect our weather, were it not for the fact that fifty years from now – we will have run out of oil altogether…
https://jazzroc.wordpress.com

DEADLY

“since when do they make soda pop from burnt methanol” – I’m not saying you SHOULD. And it is kerosine that is burnt, the chemical name for which is decane, because there are ten carbon atoms in the chain which makes the compound.

https://jazzroc.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/whats-it-all-about/?/

“once burned the vapors are highly carcinogenic” – No they are NOT. They sting the eyes, NOT AS BAD as a garden BONFIRE (which IS highly carcinogenic). Human beings HAVE BEEN SELECTED for their resistance to carcinogens over a million years of sitting beside fires.

“go stick your face behind a turbine” – HA! I’ve done it many times.

“think about how much 300 million TONS is” – you’re asking me to think? I’m the one that FOUND the figure…

“more than those 1500 volcanoes would weigh as a whole” – FANTASTICALLY WRONG. A million tons of VOLCANIC ASH stands in a CONE 240 FEET HIGH. Do you know of ANY VOLCANO that SMALL? I bet you DON’T.

“they do NOT produce 300 million tones of deadly gas per annum, but aircraft do” – WATER IS NOT A DEADLY GAS.

The volcanic output rates of steam, carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide and fine ash exceeds that of aircraft in particular, but comprise only 25% of the total (the rest comprising both Man’s activities and natural life-processes such as peat-bog decomposition, melting tundra conditions, natural forest fires, and endemic fungal activities). 

DEATH RAY

“smart enough not to call it a contrail” – CAN YOU READ?

“many chemtrails sprayed below 25,000 ft” – There hasn’t been a single instance showed on the thousands of YouTube videos on the subject.

“NWO handlers riding you too hard again?” – Yes, it’s dead tough. They’re using HAARP to throw a DEATH RAY up my backside. They’re bloody good shots to get right up my chuff from Alaska to Tenerife, but you know how it is…

DEFINITELY

It’s definitely a contrail.
Burning kerosine makes an equal amount of water.
The plane is in the stratosphere which is stable and clear all the time.
The stratosphere can hold in supersaturation (when very clean) an excess of water as vapor.
This excess can boost the density of the trail by up to 10,000 times.
So 10,000 times as much ICE as the engines make by burning kerosine may be visible to you.
So it’s DEFINITELY a CONTRAIL.

It’s definitely not a “chemtrail”.
The gap between engine and trail evidences the invisible exhaust vapors and gases.
Metals don’t make invisible vapors – they’re used in fireworks.
So there are no metals in the exhaust.
ALL organic materials burn in a jet flame at 2000 degrees to produce that GAP, for carbon dioxide (invisible) and steam (invisible) is what they will make.
No metals. No organics. Just fuel and air.
So it’s DEFINITELY NOT a “CHEMTRAIL”.

This isn't a jet exhaust: it's a methane/oxygen rocket exhaust!

 DELUSION

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

“Morgellons” or “Morgellons disease,” is a controversial condition characterized by cutaneous symptoms, including crawling, biting, and stinging sensations; granules, threads, or black speck-like materials on or beneath the skin; and/or skin lesions. Some also report fatigue, mental confusion, short term memory loss, joint pain, and changes in vision. The CDC indicates the etiology of Morgellons is unknown and there is insufficient information to determine if persons who identify themselves as having Morgellons have a common cause for their symptoms, share common risk factors, or are contagious.

The etiology of this condition is unknown, and the medical community has insufficient information to determine whether persons who identify themselves as having this condition have a common cause for their symptoms or share common risk factors. An epidemiologic investigation is needed to better characterize the clinical and epidemiologic features of this condition; to generate hypotheses about factors that may cause or contribute to sufferers’ symptoms; and to estimate the prevalence of the condition in the population; and to provide information to guide public health recommendations.”
Morgellons disease is not a widely recognized medical diagnosis, and medical professionals’ opinions about Morgellons disease are divided. Some health professionals believe that Morgellons disease is a specific condition likely to be confirmed by future research. Some health professionals, including most dermatologists, believe that signs and symptoms of Morgellons disease are caused by common skin illnesses or psychological disorders such as delusional parasitosis. Other health professionals don’t acknowledge Morgellons disease or are reserving judgment until more is known about the condition.

It was first reported three hundred years ago. If that is so, one has to ask how the aircraft and the spray technology were supposed to have existed then?

DEPLOYMENT

“So really, it is about faith rather than debating the real evidence.” – joejoeirish, all I have seen IS faith. There has been NO REAL EVIDENCE. Assertions are NOT EVIDENCE. Pictures of “fluffy stuff” are NOT EVIDENCE.

What IS EVIDENT is that “fluffy stuff” CANNOT BE DEPLOYED AT ALL from aircraft, and WHITE PAINT PRODUCTS (barium and aluminum oxides) cannot be deployed except from VERY SPECIALIZED AIRCRAFT.

They would have to be MILITARY, and if you look at the annual military fuel usage and subtract from it the Iraq war fuel and aircraft carrier fuel and home-based fighter fuel, there is NOT ENOUGH FUEL LEFT to carry out this impossible concept. ONE DOSE of WHITE PAINT for coverage of the US (not even 2% of the Earth’s surface area) would involve 170,000 tons of WHITE PAINT and a heck of a lot of fuel.

You guys have to be as CLUELESS about LOGISTICS as you are about Earth’s atmosphere, Chemistry, and Biology. Why am I surprised? You don’t do LOGIC either!

The “fluffy stuff” you see is the many tons of fine crystals of ice produced by normal civil aircraft when they fly through saturated air.

https://jazzroc.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/01-compendium/ 

DEW POINT

The dew point (or dewpoint) of a given parcel of air is the temperature to which the parcel must be cooled, at constant barometric pressure, for water vapor to condense into water, called dew. When the dew point temperature falls below freezing it is called the frost point, as the water vapor no longer creates dew but instead creates frost or hoarfrost by deposition. The graph above shows the maximum percentage of water vapor that can exist in air at sea level across a range of temperatures. Note that with higher temperatures the equilibrium partial pressure of water vapor increases, thus more water evaporates. The behavior of water vapor does not depend on the presence of air. The formation of dew would occur at the dew point even if the only gas present were water vapor. Dew point is a monotonic function of the partial pressure of water vapor, so dew point can be determined from partial pressure of water vapor alone, and vice versa.

At a given barometric pressure, independent of temperature, the dew point indicates the mole fraction of water vapor in the air, or, put differently, determines the specific humidity of the air. If the barometric pressure rises without changing this mole fraction, the dew point will rise accordingly.

Reducing the mole fraction will bring the dew point back down to its initial value. In the same way, increasing the mole fraction after a pressure drop brings the dew point back up to its initial level. For this reason, the same dew point in New York and Denver (which is at a much higher altitude) will imply that a higher fraction of the air in Denver consists of water vapor than in New York.

 

On the other hand, at a given temperature but independent of barometric pressure, the dew point indicates the absolute humidity of the air. If the temperature rises without changing the absolute humidity, the dew point will rise accordingly. Reducing the absolute humidity will bring the dew point back down to its initial value. In the same way, increasing the absolute humidity after a temperature drop brings the dew point back up to its initial level. Coming back to the New York – Denver example, this means that if the dew point and temperature in both cities are the same, then the mass of water vapor per cubic meter of air will also be the same in those cities.

The dew point is associated with relative humidity. A high relative humidity indicates that the dew point is closer to the current air temperature. If the relative humidity is 100%, the dew point is equal to the current temperature. Given a constant dew point, an increase in temperature will lead to a decrease in relative humidity. It is for this reason that equatorial climates can have low relative humidity, yet still feel humid.

Humans tend to react with discomfort to high dew points. Those accustomed to continental climates often begin to feel uncomfortable when the dew point reaches between 15 and 20 °C (59 to 68 °F). Most inhabitants of these areas will consider dew points above 21 °C (70 °F) to be oppressive.

Dew Points
20+C (68F) Oppressive
18C (64F) Sticky
16C (61F) Humid
13C (55F) Comfortable
10C (50F) Refreshing
source: Mark Margarit WHDH-TV Boston Channel 7 Weather

Here is a formula to calculate the dew point in degrees Celsius to within ±0.4 °C. It is valid for

0 °C < T < 100 °C
0.01 < RH < 1.0
0 °C < Td < 50 °C

where

T = temperature in degrees Celsius
RH = is the relative humidity as a fraction (not percent)
Td = the dew point temperature to be calculated

The formula is:

T_d = frac {b gamma(T,RH)} {a – gamma(T,RH)}

where

gamma(T,RH) = frac {a T} {b+T} + ln RH

and

a = 17.27
b = 237.7 °C
ln is the natural logarithm.

There is also a very simple approximation which allows you to convert in your head between the dew point, the dry bulb temperature and the relative humidity, which is accurate to within about ±1 °C as long as the relative humidity is above 50%. This can be expressed as a simple rule of thumb: for every 1 °C difference in the dew point and dry bulb temperatures, the relative humidity decreases by 5%, starting with RH=100% when the dew point equals the dry bulb temperature. In equations this is:

T_d = T – frac {(100 – RH)} {5}

or

RH = 100 – 5(T – Td)

where in this case RH is in percent, and T and Td are in degrees Celsius. The derivation of this, a discussion of its accuracy, comparisons to other approximations, and more information on the history and applications of the dew point are given in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.

In Fahrenheit

Tf_d = Tf – frac {(100 – RH)} {3.333}

For example, a relative humidity of 100% means dew point is same as air temp. For 90% RH dew point is 3 degrees Fahrenheit lower than air temp.

For every 10 percent lower, dew point drops 3 deg.

Tf_d is in Fahrenheit RH same as above.

Alternatively, there are a number of moisture sensing retail products available which measure relative humidity. 

DISINFO “THEORY”

“another disinformation theory I heard” – SCIENCE ISN’T DISINFORMATION. If your enemy uses SCIENCE to KILL you, it WILL work.

“protect us from sonar waves.. like HAARP” – A large sonar wave (NOISE) would KILL the guy that turned it on.  There’s NO WAY that HAARP’s technology can do this. There is NO magic.

“Russians are being sprayed madly” – Ah, private enterprise and cheap air travel makes for WHITE SKIES.

“had my gutfull there for a month” – Soda water has NEVER been recommended for improving commonsense, and it didn’t work in your case either.

“way too high amounts of heavy metals in EU food/liver cancer” – Well, that MAY be a revelation to you, but I’ve known that for forty years. If you want to eat SAFE food, DO NOT USE (or allow your suppliers to use) WESTERN “AGRICULTURE” FARMING METHODS. Eat PROVEN ORGANIC FOOD, or GROW IT YOURSELF. I can’t see what this has to do with “chemtrails”.

Except that, of course, ALL the claimed symptoms of chemtrails are the result of a poisoned diet, a poisoned water, and the locally poisoned air which you breathe.

Perhaps the more responsible thing for you to do would be to ANALYZE THOSE.

Automatic contamination detection

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Genuine Bull

PAGE CONTENTS

GENUINE BULL – GENUINE PROFESSIONALS – GEORGE CARLIN – GET REAL – GIVEMEABREAKGIVEMEABREAK – BREATHTAKING QUOTES

Don’t forget my other pages, links and comments are one click away at the top right of the page…

GenuineBull: Persistent lies of chemically-infused butt spray dispersals from typically uninformed brains which are now seen in YouTube all over the world. Unlike normal conversations formed by normal people, GB’s words spread to form a thick blanket of bullshit, held together by straws until they reach the ground, contaminating crops, water supplies and humans with a pungent stink of lies and dessicated innuendoes which contain active human pathogens. The cure: contrailscience.com

GENUINE PROFESSIONALS

Chemtrails Parts I and II ? Miles Muzio Chief Meteorologist KBAK-TV, CBS 29 News, Bakersfield California

Genuine professionals are people called by some as “disinformationalists” (sic).

They are ALWAYS people who KNOW what they are talking about. Chemtrailers automatically HATE these people and call them “useful idiots”.

Miles Muzio here is a regular guy who is obviously good at his job, but not too practised in rebutting or debunking conspiracy fools. (I can tell because he occasionally misuses some relevant terminology himself, which one has learned NOT to do when fighting such a war of ideas. In particular he seems unaware of the existence of supersaturation as a special condition of the stratosphere.)

He says: “This is an ongoing controversy with some people who insist a malevolent conspiracy is subliminally gassing Americans. I have found no credible evidence of this. Condensation trails are common and form as a function of temperature. Condensation nuclei are produced by hydrocarbon exhaust and quickly form ice fog in the high atmosphere. The colder it is at flight level the more persistent the ice fog is.

There are really three types of fog (which are manifest as clouds aloft): 1) regular water droplet fog at temperatures above freezing, 2) water droplet fog at temperatures below freezing (which can result in icing conditions for aircraft), and 3) ice crystal fog (ice fog). Ice fog generally forms at temperatures below -22F. In arctic towns during the dead of winter it is not unusual to have ice fog form behind cars on the road. Ice fog dissipates very slowly because it must sublime from solid to vapor which requires a molecular heat transfer of about 620 calories per gram. At extremely low temperatures in the 30,000 to 40,000 foot range (between -60 and -100 degrees F), this change of state can take some time.

When I was a military meteorologist in Alaska back in the 1970s, one of the routine forecasts I put out was a contrails prediction. It was something that dated back to World War II. Our bombers needed to know at what altitude they must fly in order to NOT produce contrails. Of course, there was radar back then and the Japanese probably could spot an incoming B-29, but perhaps not. If contrails were visible 100 miles away then everyone would know. Nomograms were developed for the prediction. It was fairly straight forward. A critical temperature and pressure was required for contrail formation, usually something like -45F. Humidity came into the equation for relatively warm temperatures, but once it got below about -70F humidity didn’t matter – ice clouds would form regardless. When you see jets in which the contrail forms for only a short distance behind the aircraft and then it quickly disappears – that means the jet is flying at an altitude close to the critical contrail temperature.

I can also tell you that the manner in which contrails disperse, or don’t disperse, reveals important information about atmospheric stability and diffluence. The same is true about lenticular clouds that form in Tehachapi. These mountain wave clouds don’t automatically form when it’s windy. There are several other considerations, such as stability, humidity and the wind angle relation to the mountain range.

In the same way contrails will expand in areas of diffluent flow (winds pulling apart over a horizontal area). Much of this also applies to steam or exhaust that is released from a common smoke stack in breezy conditions. If the smoke goes up or if it goes down, if it expands or if it stays uniform – all tell a story about the character of the atmosphere. So when contrails form an X in the sky, it means there are two persistent contrails behind aircraft with tracks at 90-degrees to each other – nothing more. Go to contrailscience.com for further details.”

GEORGE CARLIN

“YOU ARE ALL DISEASED”

This was an American with a single-digit percentage of bullshit telling Americans what was wrong with their thinking (not that he didn’t have a world-wide appeal!). I tremendously respected and admired this man, and still keep him in mind when I write – he helps me keep my OWN bullshit in check.

What he says about DISEASE (and many other issues) should be MANDATORY MATERIAL in education.

He was the very embodiment of  MATURITY…

GET REAL

Aviation kerosine contains no metal, and burns to form steam and carbon dioxide. Chaff is INERT. Civil planes aren’t fitted with spray equipment. The world’s 1500 active (24/7) volcanoes outdo Man’s efforts twentyfold. Living plants have converted THAT into FRESH AIR for 3 billion years. Human skin and lung diseases are caused by pollens and auto fumes and photoreactive smog combined. Worry about deforestation and the death of ocean phytoplankton. GET REAL! PEACEFULLY!

GIVEMEABREAKGIVEMEA…

“He will just waste your time and energy” – You ARE wasting everyone’s time.

“I learned the hard way” – You have LEARNED not a thing

“posts on other chemtrail videos” – who LIE as YOU do..

“comments from other people about him on his YouTube profile” – There was ONE SMART GUY there…

“all over the web debunking chemtrails” – I would STOP if there were any PROOF to the contrary.

“google “jazzroc”” – and some extreme “chemtrailer” crap crops up amongst scientific and musical references. Embarrassing.

“logical explanation for his behavior is he is paid” – NO. For want of a scientific understanding you guys are talking complete rubbish, and I thought to point you in a scientific direction. While you talk utter crap you’ll get nowhere. (Don’t you just LOATHE people who talk past you?)

“jazzroc (aka “Epoxynous”, “doublemeat”)” – They are OTHER PEOPLE I’m pleased to have been in touch with.

“”soda pop” crap” – Which is COMPLETELY TRUE – but call it CRAP, and maybe it’ll go away, eh?

“never-ending arguments” – NEVER HAPPEN BETWEEN SENSIBLE PEOPLE.

“He attacks anyone” – I attack ANY BAD IDEA.

“chemtrails may not be simple contrails” – may not exist, for the complete ABSENCE of PROOF.

“bombard you with “scientific evidence”” – as found in TEXT BOOKS ON SCIENCE

“he refers to his own website as proof” – It has a potted life history, photographs, my composed jazz and my synthesized classics (some of it interesting. “Fire and Ice” and “Variations on a Theme by Thomas Tallis” I recommend), pictures of my daughter’s wedding, blogs on volcanoes/contrails, “intelligent” design, canvassers, religion.

“responds with a barrage of insults and bizarre accusations (such as “you are either uneducated or evil”)” – (some barrage) but only after enduring STREAMS OF ABUSE from people who are resolutely opposed to either REASON or LOOKING THINGS UP. Only YOU would think my accustion bizarre!

It IS EVIL to do HARM, and propagating LIES is HARMFUL.

“Classic misdirection” – (Yours) is being followed by MY REDIRECTION. Your answers to my posts NEVER QUESTION THE SCIENCE, NEVER argue the SCIENCE, NEVER even acknowledge the SCIENCE.

(You call Science “DISINFORMATION”!)

Let me tell you something.

SCIENCE DOES NOT REQUIRE BELIEF TO WORK AND BE CORRECT. Disbelief in Science WILL NOT MAKE IT GO AWAY.

If you have an enemy who is using WORKING SCIENCE to depopulate YOU, he is MORE LIKELY TO SUCCEED if YOUR UNDERSTANDING of Science is abysmally POOR.

WAKE UP. READ UP.

And I don’t mean read up THE LIES YOU TELL EACH OTHER.

I MEAN GO TO THE LIBRARY, GO TO SCHOOL.

LEARN about the atmosphere. TRY to get a PROPER SENSE OF SCALE about the SIZE OF THE EARTH.

Read JANE’S AIRCRAFT so that you can UNDERSTAND more about aircraft design and stop making such fools of yourselves.

BREATHTAKING QUOTES

(A Roll of Honor)

For some time now (writing in May of 2009) I have been feeling less alone, and more heartened by others speaking up as I do against chemtard foolishness, but often more eloquently, or more wittily than I’m able to do, throwing in a lightness of touch which I both envy and admire, or cutting to the centre of a misperception with a rapier’s slash.

STARS15K

And so I introduce a heroine of mine, STARS15K, featuring both in YouTube and Contrailscience, who describes herself thus: “I’m just a middle-aged, middle-income, middle-American, dog-loving, wool spinning, fly-tying, sock knitting, married to the only man i ever dated, Grandma of two, cloud-freak. I’m so proud.”

That is real smart.

I’m going to add to this list, of course, because I have come across suitable candidates previously, but I dedicate it to STARS15K because, well, she probably can always head up such a list!

And what she writes here is really beautiful:

Real Science, has facts and is the same everywhere. CT theory doesn’t fit these criteria. Laws of gravity, thermodynamics, aerodynamics, fluid dynamics, physics, chemistry, meteorology can’t be repealed by any government or entity. They have to remain the same. When science shows the same results over and over again, it means that is a fact. When you have just facts, you know the truth. When you understand the truth, the sky is the sky again, clouds look like bunnies or Homer Simpson, colored sunsets are beautiful, and planes can leave signs of their passing overhead without fear and worry.

UninterestedNU2

I would like to ask you why those who are in the meteorology/aviation field need to go through years of schooling when all one has to do is “look up” in order to understand what is happening as an airplane flies through varying weather conditions. If one can just simply rely on their eyes to explain complex weather movements and air masses, why go to school at all? Can’t you just imagine for a moment that these are complex concepts that require actual training to understand? Both meteorology and aviation are rare subjects to study and there are not many people in a given area who have learned about such subjects. Isn’t it possible that those you have learned from are uneducated in these subjects also?
Can I understand the complicated jet engine just by looking at it or do I need to study a bit to understand that it COMPRESSES the air it takes in and then mixes that high pressure air with fuel and ignites it to create thrust? To believe you understand the atmosphere and how all the elements work together, without studying from a source other than youtube (and other “websites”), is absurd. I hope you learn the truth someday, for your sake and the sake of your children. No one should live in fear of the lines in the sky when here there are billions of sources of pollution right down here on the ground to worry about. The funny, and ironic, FACT is that the trails hold LESS danger to you and your family than some of the water down here that is labeled fit for human consumption. You focus on the absurd while ignoring true dangers. If you fertilize your lawn, you are exposing your children to MUCH higher concentrations of dangerous substances than you can find in MILES of persistent contrails.

Please stop telling lies about people you know nothing about here, or on youtube. It makes you look foolish and paranoid. I really do hope you find the truth. I would hate to live in fear as you people obviously do.

Grommo

(In his YouTube channel comments)

Yeah sure.

The government

keeps info about the real world

hidden from the population

in storage devices called “books”

kept in secret vaults known as “libraries”.

UNCINUS

(Such a hero of mine. His site: CONTRAILSCIENCE.COM)

How is your belief as valid as mine? I think “The cloud photos in this 100 year old book are natural”.

You think “The cloud photos in this 100 year old book indicate the use of Tesla’s scalar energy used to modify the weather, a practice that has gone on for the last 100 years and continues today”.

To back up my belief (really a theory, but let’s call it a belief, no need for semantic arguments), I point out that the science of meteorology, as practised in every country in the world by hundreds of thousands of scientists, and as reported in tens of thousands of scientific articles and research papers, and verified by millions of experiments, and as followed by millions of amateur scientists and meteorologists, and modeled by thousands of weather forecasting systems, and taught in schools and universities, is entirely consistent with the photos in the book. In addition, the exact same clouds were observed hundreds (and even thousands) of years BEFORE the book was published.

To back up your belief, what? Tesla made vague mention of “scalar energy”, a technology that nobody has ever demonstrated by experiment in any way. Technology supposedly invented 100 years ago that no country in the entire world has ever used – despite its promise of “free” energy. Somehow this is being used to modify the weather of the entire planet – and you can offer no evidence other than “it seems like something they would cover up if they were doing it”.

Not all beliefs are equally valid. If I believed that clouds were the condensed breath of invisible dragons, then you would quite likely disagree. If you want your alternative beliefs to be taken seriously, you need to at least approach the degree of evidence that supports the mainstream beliefs.

Manmanatee

The reason we have not been able to find any legitimate proof that chemtrails exist is because they simply do not exist. The term is an internet creation to make condensation trails aka contrails sound more sinister.

When you actually look at the facts, as Uncinus proposes, you can see the argument in support of these chemtrails quickly reduces to nothing more than a bundle of pseudo-science, assumption, misguided correlations and unqualified uneducated personal testimony.

I have yet to find for myself one argument for the existence of these ‘chemtrails’ that does not skirt around the real results from real studies from real accredited sources. Instead, I have just found these arguments to resort to personal attacks and contradictory statements.

For example, how can you argue that the government is lying to us to cover this up and at the same time use government information taken out of context as the proof chemtrails exist? Logically, if this is the huge conspiracy, involving thousands of people, falsified studies and an extreme government cover up, wouldn’t the simplest thing these conspirators would do would be to remove those links to themselves?

Of course, this is speculation on my part and should be taken as such. I am not a professional of any kind in this matter and I don’t believe anyone should be convinced on my word alone just as I will never be convinced by your word alone.

What we do have, however, is science and legitimate information. Anyone can access these studies and weigh both sides of this argument and make an educated decision. For me the answer is simple; chemtrails do not exist and so this conspiracy does not exist.

Contrails do exist. Everyday, the number of airplanes in our skies increase as do the number of contrails left behind. Instead of trying to justify our paranoia with fictional conspiracies, we should be looking at what is actually going on in the world we create for ourselves.

Our air is polluted, our water is polluted, our earth is polluted, we don’t need to create something like chemtrails to prove this. Instead of creating government conspiracy in our minds we should acknowledge the real perpetrators, ourselves.

We drive the cars, we fly in the planes, and we ignore the effect each one of us has on the environment around us. No one wants to see the blood on our own hands, an enemy image is easier for us to justify than taking the blame for our own contribution to an increasingly polluted planet.

We desperately need to stop pointing fingers and start taking responsibility for our own actions.
We need to ask ourselves the hard question; What actions or in-actions am I taking that contribute to the problem and what am I doing to create a solution?

The answer is yours alone and yours to reconcile with yourself.

“As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities.” -Voltaire

obzelite

Ahh, the catch cry of the liar and charlatan, got no proof, caught redhanded knee deep in bullshit, then start calling people a shill to try and divert.

Show some proof, retard. show the planes on the ground, show me the tankers transporting this stuff, show me the plants manufacturing this chemical.

You can’t because it’s all bullshit.

All you have is the same dumb-arse videos.  Go video rainbows in the sprinklers and drop some acid.

You can’t be any more brain damaged than you are already.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory