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I’ve never bought a new motor. In fact, I’ve only paid a fairly high price for one car, a Citroen GS Pallas, breaking my golden rule (don’t spend money!), out of love for its luxurious qualities.

My first was a very old motorbike, a 1925 Sunbeam S7, which I found in a roadside hedge near Waterbeach. I restored it and frightened myself, and covered my friends in mud with it.


I sort of lost interest in this, giving it away to a friend, when I learn to drive using this, my dad’s 948cc inline OHV Standard Super 10:


While I was at Farnborough I bought one of these, a NSU Prima 3KL scooter for £12, and commuted fairly frequently across the Marlborough downs between Lyneham and Farnborough.


I then automatically became the road mechanic for my girlfriend’s titchy little Austin A30:


While in Hampstead I acquired these scooters in rapid succession – a Lambretta D – which I loved:


– and a Raleigh Roma which was OK, but not heart-pulling:


The first car we had after we married was a “Harry Potter” Ford 105E Anglia:


That rusted away rapidly, but then this unassuming motor caught my eye; a Citroen 2CV Bijou – awkward, ungainly, with the tiniest engine in the world, it seemed; a 425cc horizontally-opposed 4-stroke air-cooled twin producing a tiddling 25 BHP:


It was the only car I know to do 70mpg at 70mph. On a level surface with NO water on the road. It was easy to maintain, and could drive through conditions that could stop 4×4’s, and I drove it for many hundreds of thousands of miles. I miss it right now. The poor thing fell to underbody corrosion from road winter salting.

Then the Austin/Morris 1100. Comfortable and quiet, it also fell to salt:


But I found another Bijou:


…which also fell to salt…  Then a Volvo Estate which quietly settled on its springs one day:


And then my Citroen Pallas, which was removed from me by an inattentive lawyer who tailgated and totalled me while I was waiting for traffic lights to change. (That took a long time to recover financially from!):


and I then picked up a Talbot Horizon for a song:


This was a very nice car, which was stolen and driven about a wood until it became unrecognizable. I obtained another, renewed its camshaft and drove that about. This was better than most modern cars, in that it could be maintained by hand – nothing would stop you by the roadside.

I then earned myself a Citroen 2CV Dolly (remembering the Bijou with affection):


And my last car was this, a Seat Ibiza, which was a license-made Volkswagen Golf:


Was there a car I wished I had? Yes, this, a Zundapp Janus, a push-me pull-you masterpiece of identical panels and central engine. Fantastic!


But these days I don’t have a car. Shank’s Pony (+ dog!)


PLACES I have lived in (or very near!) in chronological order:

Mackintosh Place, Cardiff

Mackintosh Place, Cardiff

Liver Buildings and Mersey, Liverpool

Liver Buildings and Mersey, Liverpool

Quayside, Whitby

Quayside, Whitby

York Minster

York Minster

I flew my first model airplanes down this slope...

Furness Abbey, Barrow. I flew my first model airplanes down this slope...

Blackpool Tower, looking North...

Blackpool Tower, looking North...

An old picture of Ramsey, Isle-of-Man, but as I remember..

An old picture of Ramsey, Isle-of-Man, but as I remember..

Jurby's bleak and beautiful shore...

Jurby's bleak and beautiful shore...

a lonely outcrop on a flat land...

Ansdell - a lonely outcrop on a flat land...

A pretty town, a gorgeous park, and the sea...

Lytham. A pretty town, a gorgeous park, and the sea...

Another lovely town on the Lancashire coast...

Southport - another lovely town on the Lancashire coast...

Where once they made Zeppelins...

Butzweilerhof. Where once they made Zeppelins...

Butz again...I couldn't resist this amazing photo...

I couldn't resist this amazing photo...

beautiful from the air, but the marshalling yard of Europe...

Hamm - beautiful from the air, but the marshaling yard of Europe...

A pretty town on the Channel...

Sandwich - a pretty town on the Channel...

This Cambridgeshire village had fifteen pubs. I was too young...

Waterbeach. This Cambridgeshire village had fifteen pubs. I was too young...

Just around the corner I shared my beer with Seamus O'Connell...

Cambridge. Just around the corner I shared my beer with Seamus O'Connell...

Wootton Basset - there wasn't much at Lyneham...

Royal Wootton Basset - there wasn't much at Lyneham...

Ah - the magic of the air - the aviation trade...

Farnborough. Ah - the magic of the air - the aviation trade...

My pre-diploma art college town...

Stafford, my pre-diploma art college town...

Undergraduate days right in the thick of innovation...

Chalk Farm, and undergraduate days right in the thick of innovation...

The Heath, the fresh air, marriage...

The Heath, the fresh air, marriage...

This is just around the corner from where we were...

This is just around the corner from where we were in Bodfari...

St. Asaph is the world's smallest city.

St. Asaph is the world's smallest city.

Mill Hill is a nexus of road and rail. I can still hear it now...

Mill Hill is a nexus of road and rail. I can still hear it now...

Here I learned the delight of gardening...

High Barnet. Here I learned the delight of gardening...

Church St., Hatfield: we lived in the organist's house...

Church St., Old Hatfield: we lived in the organist's house...at the end, there...


Early in the morning on the beach of El Medano, Tenerife.


FIRMS I have worked for:

NGTE Pyestock – Sir Alexander Gibb & Partners – Jack Howe & Andrew Bain –  Shankland Cox –  Shell – Air Products – Unilever  –  Associated Octel – Lakers (Northern) –  UKAEA –  BIB –  BICC – Warehouse Planning – Springfix –  Core Associates – Taylor Woodrow – Hawker Siddeley – 3Com –  Cerberus – Dexion –  Johnson Matthey – Babcock & Wilcox – Lewden Industries

NGTE Pyestock – gas turbine research.

This was a research establishment of several thousand people coupled with test cells and all facilities required to keep things running. It was powered by a small power station coupled to large motor/turbine impellers sufficient to run half-a-dozen test cells simultaneously, if that were required. Its machine workshop and stores was possibly the finest in Britain. I considered myself privileged to work there. While I was there I worked on components for the supersonic wind tunnel for the ‘Olympus’ engines for the Concorde.

Sir Alexander Gibb & Partners – motorway civil engineering

This company was located close to St. James’s Park tube station. Even in the mid-sixties it was hell to get to…  It was an international company concerned with massive civil contracts; in this case the M4 Motorway, and I became intimately involved with the finest details of the section between Tormarton and Liddington.

Jack Howe & Andrew Bain –  industrial engineering design

This consultant partnership on the Edgware Road allowed me to design exhibitions, locks and safes, and microwave towers.

Shankland Cox –  architects

This was close by the Liver Buildings in Liverpool. Here I worked on various small, medium and large scale architectural projects.

Shell – petrochemical engineering

This company had a small office in Mold, where I detailed the oil pipeline from Amlwch to Ellesmere Port. It passed within fifty feet of the house where I lived (Bryn Polyn, in St. Asaph), so it really was quite interesting.

Air Products – cryogenic engineering

This compact (American) company had a factory in Acrefair, near Llangollen where it designed and manufactured all manner of cryogenic plants, vessels, tanks and tankers. This was a tough and professional company, working under American standards. It was fun.

Unilever (Merseyside) – estate architecture

This small office concerned itself with the upgrading of its model village estate. (Some of the original plans were on silk!)

Associated Octel – petrochemical engineering

This was a dynamic enterprise in Ellesmere Port conducting many specialized petrochemical projects. I became mainly involved with lead casting and the handling of liquid sodium, and the design of the appropriate equipment for this.

Lakers (Northern) –  petrochemical engineering

Here (also in Ellesmere Port) I became involved in the mass-production of SOAP.

UKAEA –  nuclear engineering

This office, in Hayes, was devoted mainly to the detail design for the nuclear decanning system at Windscale/Seascale. This was in the early eighties.

BIB –  industrial design

Here (in Holland Park) I worked on new versions of a consumer electric drill, and a production precision exhaust valve welding machine.

BICC Data Networks – industrial design

Here (in Wood Green) I developed the mechanical package for the world’s first ethernet transceiver. A big thrill…

Warehouse Planning – warehouse design

This was a tiny company in Berkhamstead. Most of these warehouses were for the Middle East, and gargantuan in scale.

Springfix –  industrial design

First in Camden Town, then St. Albans, I designed a mass-produced paper-shredder, and a bunch of other stuff…

Core Associates – industrial design

Here (in King’s Cross) I worked on a counterflow air-to-air heat exchanger, street furniture, a style package for office ethernet equipment, a battery-powered self-launching glider, a high-speed catamaran.

Taylor Woodrow – heating and ventilation

Remedial work done (at the Elephant and Castle) on a massive London office estate complex called Little Britain. Boring but necessary. I had seen all this material before…

Hawker Siddeley – alarm and safety equipment

Welwyn Garden City. Safety systems for a nuclear establishment.

3Com –  electronics

Berkhamstead. Style package for office ethernet equipment.

Cerberus – alarm and safety equipment

I can’t remember exactly where this was! Not far from the Barbican estate, which is what the equipment was for. Fifty massively-detailed A0 drawings in ten weeks. Thank you and goodbye…

Dexion –  racking design

Racking designs and layouts.

Johnson Matthey – metal refining

Specialised equipment designs.

Babcock & Wilcox – steam generating plant

Borehamwood. Details and aspects of various steam generation configurations.

Lewden Industries – electrical engineering

East London. Design and development of a charging plug and socket for the Ford “Think” Electric Car.

The above is a list of the notable companies I worked for. There were dozens of others which I can no longer recollect, try as I may.

Did I enjoy them? In the main, no, I didn’t. Air Products, Associated Octel, and BICC, were professionally-managed and made me feel at home, tested me to the limits of my abilities, and sent me home with a good pay packet. They were enjoyable experiences!

The rest were without any real management, the workforces in general were sullen, hostile, and prone to subtle (and sometimes unsubtle!) sabotage, sometimes of me, sometimes of others.

British companies have been in crisis ever since WWII, when the country gave all it had to the war. It never had a “Marshall Plan” to revitalize its industry, and disintegrated itself while slowly climbing its way out of a very deep recession.


By the time I had left school in 1962 to be a student mechanical engineer at Pyestock, the British aircraft industry had committed, and was headed for, a string of poor management decisions.

1. It chose centrifugal-compressor jet engines (why, I cannot imagine – it wasn’t is if it treated Frank Whittle well – it didn’t), instead of axial-flow designs, when the advantages of an axial-flow layout are overwhelming. Doomed to fail…


2. It picked the De Havilland Comet design for a civil transport aircraft (with those centrifugal-compressor engines) – it was too small and carried too few passengers – its engines were mounted in its wings – it was subject to poor detail design and testing – and it killed people. Doomed to fail…


3. It picked a long-take-off, expensive, POINTLESS and fragile design (TSR-2) for its high-speed fighter contract. Doomed to fail…


4. It picked the Fairey Rotodyne (the world’s LOUDEST aircraft) for its intercity commuter ‘bus’. INCREDIBLY doomed to fail…


5. It picked the Concorde for its ‘flagship’ transport aircraft, and squandered billions of pounds on it which was never recovered in trade. Was anyone prepared to accept sonic bangs as part of their daily life? NO. Doomed to fail…


In this its management was on a par with the rest of the country’s management, which has never had a “center of excellence” and doesn’t require professional standards to enter it. Hence it is doomed to fail…


Welcome To Pyestock NOW:



“Soon there will be very little physical evidence of the existence of one of the most significant research capabilities of its type in the world.” – Ian Mckenzie


Britain no longer has its own motor industry either, nor a machine tools industry, nor a shipbuilding industry, nor engineering and crafts apprenticeship schemes. (Apparently, robots were immediately going to do such jobs – yeah, right!) For good measure it also halved its rail system, removed its rail industry, lost most of its post offices and markets, and sold off most of the public enterprises the Victorian era had struggled so hard to provide.

Without them it is doomed to fail…


It has become a European suburb, but without its own backbone, and also without the support of the European community. In so many different ways it is doomed to fail…


Its monarchist and class-ridden ‘memes’ are in the process of destroying it from within via its propagandist media. It is doomed to fail


But at least Britain has still held on to a free public health system and (at one time completely free) education system for all (to each according to his need, from each according to his means) – unlike their cousins in the States.

Those people in the US who suffer beneath the weight of its cruel health insurance schemes, shoddy public education system, barbaric death penalty, conscription to the OIL ROBBERY in Iraq, being “taught the controversy” (ID versus Evolution), living the “war against terror” as their country terrorizes others, have 5% of my sympathy…

…the other 95% of my sympathy goes to the millions of strangers they’ve never seen or known, whom their country oppresses in their name, sometimes to and sometimes beyond the point of death…

NOT in my name…

Not in MY name…

Written by JazzRoc

January 4, 2008 at 10:41 pm

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  1. Quite an impressive resume and I love the pics. Quite an array of cars. Kinda interesting looking at your history of European automobiles and scooters when compared to the American versions. Quite different. Did you really work on the deHaviland? It was my understanding that a problem with the aircraft was the lack of being able to control the cabin pressure. Hence, when it flew too high, it came apart. I always thought that it was such a simple concept that the original engineers would have known to compensate for the difference in the ambient pressure at the higher altitude. But, then again, until about 30 years ago, kids were still being taught to open the windows if a tornado came because it would keep the house from exploding, which is absolute nonsense and they finally quit saying that when it was discovered that more people were getting injured wasting time running to the windows than they would if they had taken the proper precautions. So, who knows…I bet you do…


    March 24, 2009 at 1:43 am

    • Hi, Symon. No, I was working on the Olympus wind tunnel for the Concorde at the time. The lead singer in my rock band (he is “Jonty” the pilot on one of my pages) was working on the Comet after all the incidents had occurred. I know the story anyway.
      Duralumin is a hard and strong aluminum alloy. Aluminum has a strange property; it will always fail one day under a repetitive cyclic load, no matter how weak that load is. Steel, on the other hand, has a stress limit beneath which it will never fail. So one might immediately realize that flying an aluminum plane is only safe for a finite time. Duralumin is hardened by the presence of copper atoms in the interstices between the aluminum crystals, which locks the crystals and prevents them freely sliding past each other. The only trouble with that is if you add an electrolyte you make a battery. Aircraft shells are very carefully primed to prevent this happening.
      In the case of the Comet, the window design was square. At the corners, panels had a built-in stress concentrator. A hairline crack would inevitably form, and the primer seal would be broken. Moisture would get in, and stress corrosion would be initiated. The crack would grow, crystal-by-crystal, every duty cycle (pressurization->depressurization) the airframe experienced, until eventually the structure overloaded. The design was a time bomb with a medium fuse.
      I know it’s hindsight, but I would NEVER have designed it that way in the first place. Scandalous!


      March 24, 2009 at 11:43 am

  2. JazzRoc, YOU ROCK!

    I’m researching info for a parody video on CTs I’m producing, and found one of your comments on a the CT site, and discovered this outstanding resource that is your Blog. BRAVO! Wish I had known about this when I sent my brother a scathing rebuttal of his persistent ChemTrailings. Yours is the most comprehensive, scientific and yes, BEST DESIGNED of ANY ChemTrail site, pro or con! (of course, I have noticed that pretty much ALL Pro CT sites are of incredibly poor design).

    Keep up the great work!

    Gus Frederick
    Silverton, OR USA Sol III

    ps The “Domes” on Mars are craters: Rotate a crater picture 180 degrees to see the effect… FWIW, the MSSS and USGS MGS archives ALWAYS post the local sun angle of the images… The pictures “look different” because Malin Space Systems often posts uncorrected raw images for their thumbnails, while USGS does some basic processing.

    Gus Frederick

    April 21, 2009 at 12:03 am

    • Thanks, Gus for your praise and advice. Keep me informed about the parody. Good luck with that.


      April 21, 2009 at 12:43 am

  3. Hi again, JazzRoc!

    I guess I was thinking about “crater dome illusions” specifically, but finally tracked down THE “crater dome” image (how come these clowns seldom publish the NASA frame numbers?). I have not seen that particular image before. Anyway, this one is near the infamous “glass tubes” (actually rows of sand dunes in the bottom of canyons). The ‘domes’ are most likely ice, (probably covered with dust). MOC Frame M1501228. Here’s another crater shot with much higher resolution by the ESA Mars Express. So it would seem like it is a conspiracy of H2O! Ice causes both “Chemtrails” and “Martian Domes!”


    Gus Frederick
    Silverton, OR

    Gus Frederick

    April 21, 2009 at 3:42 am

    • That’s what I thought they most likely were too. It’s a pity that the orbiter were not equipped with a further couple of those explorers which it could have deployed when something really interesting popped up.
      Although I reckon that what would be most interesting would be warm underground lakes….


      April 21, 2009 at 9:49 am

  4. Although I reckon that what would be most interesting would be warm underground lakes…

    Yeah, well that is what was implied by the Phoenix data. Google perchlorates+phoenix Something many of us thought was possible – liquid water on Mars – seems to pop-up more the closer we look. Couple that with lava tube caves, and Mars starts to look REAL exotic. So who needs pyramids and faces when we have these REAL wonders!

    Speaking of Mars, when the Rovers first started sending back images, several of “Those Sites” started claiming that NASA was “lying” about the “true colors” of Mars. They claimed that the rocks were really blue, as was the sky. As a photographer, this was too easy. As part of a NASA grant we developed this site featuring images from the MER Rovers showing how they are made. Basically black & white images through a variety of different filters. Enjoy!

    Gus Frederick
    Silverton, OR

    Gus Frederick

    April 21, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    • Thanks, Gus, for a whole set of interesting links. I have picked my way carefully in the past through a few of the best enlargements of Martian features – enough to know that they are frequently counter-intuitive.

      I believe it is important to first settle a base on the Moon. This will give human Mars exploration adequate support to be successful, and not be some half-cocked venture like the Lunar landings…


      April 21, 2009 at 4:12 pm

  5. Yes indeed! Astronaut John Young is quoted as saying “the Moon is only three days from a can of beans.” When asked about Moon vs. Mars.

    But we aren’t getting off this ball until we get a handle on that 2000 kg gorilla, (‘guerrilla’) in the room that is the MIC, (as defined by D.D. Eisenhower). At least the new US administration is more ‘science-friendly.’ But this year’s Pentagon budget is BIGGER than last year’s. Incredibly, this fact is not discussed much… But they will talk about Chem Trails and other crap.



    Gus Frederick
    Silverton, OR

    Gus Frederick

    April 22, 2009 at 1:16 am

    • Yes. The MIC animal seems too large to be defeated. Some ju-jitsu is required there…
      “Divide and rule” and “the bigger they are the harder they fall” spring to mind as the means to topple the monster.
      This admin may be “science-friendly”, but I don’t reckon they’re up to the task, myself.
      The MIC ought to be tasked with “planet-friendly” engineering tasks, like planting to tree lines, seeding the oceans, salt-spraying the southern oceans, lengthening river courses – big, macho stuff.
      That might save our bacon…


      April 22, 2009 at 8:48 am

  6. Jazzy!!!! I apologize for posting non pertinent to thread content but I really do need to hear from you. I’m not as Pistoff as I once was so killed JP off on LV but I think he’s still on YT. And my Welsh friend, PLEASE let me hear from you at your earliest possible convenience. I’ve become involved in a project that might well need some solar panels but will have to save the details for a more private communication. Please send me an email and let me know how you’re doing. SO much has happened since the last time we talked I think you’ll be glad I’m finally in a good position to really live my life. Best Regards from Tucson, Damon

    Damon (JusticePistoff)

    June 28, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    • Damon, if you can see this, contact me. I didn’t get your new contact info after the last mail you sent me.

      Jazzroc, do you have JusticePistoff’s current contact details?

      Hope to hear from both, allthough Damon seems to have totally vanished 😦

      Thank you.


      February 12, 2012 at 9:22 pm

      • I’m sorry Marius. Damon wrote me a brief missive a year ago saying he would fill in the details later, but never wrote again.


        February 12, 2012 at 9:34 pm

  7. Hi there,
    I’m trying to figure out your position. Do you believe in peak oil and permaculture, etc. the end of the industrialized world? And just don’t believe in chemtrails? I can’t tell.

    Kathleen Courian-Sanchez

    September 30, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    • There’s a bit of a jump there – “the end of the industrialized world” seems a bit further away to me than it does to you, I suggest.
      Fossil fuel deposits become predictable once the overlying geology and previous geological history is understood. From that understanding we know that peak oil has passed.
      Permaculture is a method of maximizing ecological MASS which has the byproduct of feeding Man. It is based on a more holistic understanding of Nature.
      No trail ever shown and claimed to be a “chemtrail” can be such a thing if a GAP is visible between engine and trail. (It always is). That “gap” may only be occupied by hot gases (carbon dioxide and nitrogen) and steam, all of which are INVISIBLE. There is NO case or state whereby a metal may be invisible within such an exhaust column, or anywhere else.
      I don’t believe in belief.


      October 1, 2012 at 12:21 am

      • lol how you are a ‘scientist’ and then you go engage water vapour – (blethering) – thank you sir 🙂


        October 29, 2015 at 10:19 pm

      • Thanks, Theresa, I see that water vapour has grabbed your attention.
        Water has more unusual properties than most people imagine. That is why people with a poor imagination and attention to detail can be persuaded by the childish and fallacious argument that people are poisoning their atmosphere with (mythical) chemtrails. I feel sure you will correct this errant persuasion which you apparently possess with a burst of fresh scientific research INTO WATER in the near future.
        I recommend additionally that you learn about the properties of the planet you are standing on, and maybe make an appreciable study of gas turbine engines, especially the precise nature and amounts of their exhaust constituents.
        Also, the cost of this website is FREE. If you wish to publish anything yourself, you only have to ask WordPress.


        October 30, 2015 at 12:26 pm

  8. Love the blog, I have done the same chemtrail debunking for years now. One of the problems is that the people you write to not only lack scientific knowledge, but quite often lack even the ability to properly comprehend most of what you write so you are sorta talking to a brick wall. Add the English cultural advantage in articulation and wit and most of what you say will go right over the head of many U.S. readers. The saying we use here in Texas is “You can’t fix stupid”

    One thing I have not seen mentioned is the study done on the effect of air travel that was conducted on 9/11 and the day after when all U.S. air traffic was grounded. It has been a while but if I remember correctly it was quite interesting data on the amount and effects from contrails on a continental scale collected that was quite hurriedly done when they got the opportunity to have a sky free of any air traffic and contrails.. It is only a single data point so of limited usefulness though.

    And thanks for the ethernet, did you work on 100 base T full duplex? That was the tipping point in networking that really made my career start, I developed the first commercial multi-player internet game on the back of it. A large scale wwii flight combat sim with hundreds of flying around is large scale air combat over the internet.


    September 26, 2013 at 6:37 am

    • The research team worked in the opposite room to mine at BICC Wood Green. I was imported in to design the package they put it in. They were very excited about it, and as they improved speed and stability the word would get about, and we would stand around a scope peering at a rounded square wave as words like “100 megabits/sec” were bandied about.
      So thank them, not me. I gave them a better package than the pencil-case they had in mind previously. They made 600,000.
      You are right about conspiracy theorists in general. These days you’ll find me at Metabunk. Thanks.


      September 26, 2013 at 8:12 am

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