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What’s It All About?

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THIS – 87,000 Flights each Day – The Skies over Britain – Aviation and the Environment – Climate change – Mechanisms – Total Effect – Radiative Forcing – Vostock Core Samples – Potential reductions – Reducing travel – Kyoto Protocol – Emissions Trading – References for Understanding the Atmosphere

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THIS:

This increase in the number of passengers using UK airports is representative of the world as a whole. It almost exactly also represents the annual number of millions of tons of water deposited as ice in our stratosphere. Where once it was SIX MILLION TONS per year (in 1958), it now (in 2008) is THREE HUNDRED MILLION TONS per year of exhaust ICE that finds its way into our stratosphere as a consequence of Man’s aviation activities*. THAT is what is VISIBLE in your sky when you are complaining about it. NOTHING ELSE. It’s a piffling amount compared with the amount of water vapor ALREADY up there!

* That is three hundred million tons of seed ice. When the stratospheric layer the aircraft is passing through is supersaturated, then the trail may grow by a factor of up to ten thousand times.

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87,000 Flights each Day

http://www.natca.org/mediacenter/bythenumbers.msp#1

On any given day, more than 87,000 flights are in the skies in the United States. Only one-third are commercial carriers, like American, United or Southwest. On an average day, air traffic controllers handle 28,537 commercial flights (major and regional airlines), 27,178 general aviation flights (private planes), 24,548 air taxi flights (planes for hire), 5,260 military flights and 2,148 air cargo flights (Federal Express, UPS, etc.). At any given moment, roughly 5,000 planes are in the skies above the United States. In one year, controllers handle an average of 64 million takeoffs and landings.

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For every one flight you see listed on an airport monitor, two you don’t see show up on air traffic controllers’ screens. It would take approximately 7,300 airport terminal monitors to show all the flights controllers handle in a single day and approximately 460 monitors to show the number of flights being handled at any one time.


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The Skies over Britain

Aviation and the Environment

(From Wikipedia)
Aviation impacts the environment because aircraft engines emit noise, particulates, gases, and contribute to climate change and global dimming. Despite emission reductions from automobiles and more fuel-efficient and less polluting turbofan and turboprop engines, the rapid growth of air travel in recent years contributes to an increase in total pollution attributable to aviation. In the EU greenhouse gas emissions from aviation increased by 87% between 1990 and 2006.

There is an ongoing debate about possible taxation of air travel and the inclusion of aviation in an emissions trading scheme, with a view to ensuring that the total external costs of aviation are taken into account.

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Climate change

Like all human activities involving combustion, most forms of aviation release carbon dioxide (CO2) into the earth’s atmosphere, very likely contributing to the acceleration of global warming. In addition to the CO2 released by most aircraft in flight through the burning of fuels such as JP-4 and JP-8, Jet-A (turbine aircraft) or Avgas (piston aircraft), the aviation industry also contributes greenhouse gas emissions from ground airport vehicles and those used by passengers and staff to access airports, as well as through emissions generated by the production of energy used in airport buildings, the manufacture of aircraft and the construction of airport infrastructure.

While the principal greenhouse gas emission from powered aircraft in flight is CO2, other emissions may include nitric oxide and nitrogen dioxide, (together termed oxides of nitrogen or NOx), water vapour and particulates (soot and sulfate particles), sulfur oxides, carbon monoxide (which bonds with oxygen to become CO2 immediately upon release), incompletely-burned hydrocarbons, tetra-ethyl lead (piston aircraft only), and radicals such as hydroxyl, depending on the type of aircraft in use. The contribution of civil aircraft-in-flight to global CO2 emissions has been estimated at around 2%. However, in the case of high-altitude airliners which frequently fly near or in the stratosphere, non-CO2 altitude-sensitive effects may increase the total impact on anthropogenic (man-made) climate change significantly — this problem is not present for aircraft that routinely operate at lower altitudes well inside the troposphere, such as balloons, airships, helicopters, most light aircraft, and many commuter aircraft.

Mechanisms

Subsonic aircraft contribute when aloft to climate change in four ways:

Carbon Dioxide (CO2)
CO2 emissions from aircraft-in-flight are the most significant and best understood element of aviation’s total contribution to climate change. The level and effects of CO2 emissions are currently believed to be broadly the same regardless of altitude (i.e they have the same atmospheric effects as ground based emissions). In 1992, emissions of CO2 from aircraft were estimated at around 2% of all such anthropogenic emissions, though CO2 concentration attributable to aviation in 1992 was around 1% of the total anthropogenic increase, because emissions occurred only in the last 50 years.

Oxides of nitrogen (NOx)
At the high altitudes flown by large jet airliners around the tropopause, emissions of NOx are particularly effective in forming ozone (O3) in the upper troposphere. High altitude (8-13km) NOx emissions result in greater concentrations of O3 than surface NOx emissions, and these in turn have a greater global warming effect. The effect of O3 concentrations are regional and local (as opposed to CO2 emissions, which are global).
NOx emissions also reduce ambient levels of methane, another greenhouse gas, resulting in a climate cooling effect. This effect does not, however, offset the O3 forming effect of NOx emissions. It is now believed that aircraft sulfur and water emissions in the stratosphere tend to deplete O3, partially offsetting the NOx-induced O3 increases. These effects have not been quantified. This problem does not apply to aircraft that fly lower in the troposphere, such as light aircraft or many commuter aircraft.

Water vapor (H2O) Contrails
Aiircraft in flight at high altitudes emit water vapor, a greenhouse gas, which under certain atmospheric conditions forms condensation trails, or contrails. Contrails are visible line clouds that form in cold, humid atmospheres and are thought to have a global warming effect (though one less significant than either CO2 emissions or NOx induced effects). Contrails are extremely rare from lower-altitude aircraft, or from propeller aircraft or rotorcraft.
Cirrus clouds have been observed to develop after the persistent formation of contrails and have been found to have a global warming effect over-and-above that of contrail formation alone. There is a degree of scientific uncertainty over the contribution of contrail and cirrus cloud formation to global warming and attempts to estimate aviation’s overall climate change contribution do not tend to include its effects on cirrus cloud enhancement.

Particulates
Least significant is the release of soot and sulfate particles. Soot absorbs heat and has a warming effect; sulfate particles reflect radiation and have a small cooling effect. In addition, they can influence the formation and properties of clouds. All aircraft powered by combustion will release some amount of soot.

Total Effect

In attempting to aggregate and quantify these effects the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has estimated that aviation’s total climate impact is some 2-4 times that of its CO2 emissions alone (excluding the potential impact of cirrus cloud enhancement). This is measured as radiative forcing. While there is uncertainty about the exact level of impact of NOx and water vapour, governments have accepted the broad scientific view that they do have an effect. Accordingly, more recent UK government policy statements have stressed the need for aviation to address its total climate change impacts and not simply the impact of CO2.
The IPCC has estimated that aviation is responsible for around 3.5% of anthropogenic climate change, a figure which includes both CO2 and non-CO2 induced effects. The IPCC has produced scenarios estimating what this figure could be in 2050. The central case estimate is that aviation’s contribution could grow to 5% of the total contribution by 2050 if action is not taken to tackle these emissions, though the highest scenario is 15%. Moreover, if other industries achieve significant cuts in their own greenhouse gas emissions, aviation’s share as a proportion of the remaining emissions could also rise. Per passenger kilometre, figures from British Airways suggest carbon dioxide emissions of 0.1kg for large jet airliners (a figure which does not account for the production of other pollutants or condensation trails).

RADIATIVE FORCING

The radiative forcing units are in watts per metre squared. The total positive forcing (on the right) amounts to 0.045 W/m2.

This must be compared with the world average insolation of 1330W/m2. It is 0.34 millionths of it.

Insolation values range from 800 to 950 kWh/(kWp·y) in Norway to up to 2,900 in Australia.

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A large volcanic eruption would seriously lower this insolation.

VOSTOCK CORE SAMPLES

This is a plot of CO2 concentration, ambient temperature, CH4 concentration, insolation, running backwards in time for 420,000 years. CO2 can be seen to LAG ambient temperature.

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Potential reductions

Modern jet aircraft are significantly more fuel efficient (and thus emit less CO2 per unit power) than 30 years ago. Moreover, manufacturers have forecast and are committed to achieving reductions in both CO2 and NOx emissions with each new generation of design of aircraft and engine. The accelerated introduction of more modern aircraft therefore represents a major opportunity to reduce emissions per passenger kilometre flown.
Other opportunities arise from the optimisation of airline timetables, route networks and flight frequencies to increase load factors (minimise the number of empty seats flown), together with the optimisation of airspace. Another possible reduction of the climate-change impact is the limitation of cruise altitude of aircraft.
This would lead to a significant reduction in high-altitude contrails for a marginal trade-off of increased flight time and an estimated 4% increase in CO2 emissions. Drawbacks of this solution include very limited airspace capacity to do this, especially in Europe and North America and increased fuel burn due to jet aircraft being less efficient at lower cruise altitudes. However, the total number of passenger kilometres is growing at a faster rate than manufacturers can reduce emissions, and at present there is no readily available alternative to burning kerosene.
The growth in the aviation sector is therefore likely to continue to generate an increasing volume of greenhouse gas emissions. However some scientists and companies such as GE Aviation and Virgin Fuels are researching biofuel technology for use in jet aircraft. As part of this test Virgin Atlantic Airways flew a Boeing 747 from London Heathrow Airport to Amsterdam Schiphol Airport on 24 February 2008, with one engine burning a combination of coconut oil and babassu oil. Greenpeace’s chief scientist Doug Parr said that the flight was “high-altitude greenwash” and that producing organic oils to make biofuel could lead to deforestation and a large increase in greenhouse gas emissions.
The majority of the world’s aircraft are not large jetliners but smaller piston aircraft, and many are capable of using ethanol as a fuel, with major modifications. While ethanol also releases CO2 during combustion, the plants cultivated to make it draw that same CO2 out of the atmosphere while they are growing, making the fuel closer to climate-change-neutral. The main problems with burning ethanol as a fuel are that it takes more energy to produce than is returned, it displaces food crops and thus raises the price of food and causes soil degradation.
While they are not suitable for long-haul or transoceanic flights, turboprop aircraft used for commuter flights bring two significant benefits: they often burn considerably less fuel per passenger mile, and they typically fly at lower altitudes, well inside the tropopause, where there are no concerns about ozone or contrail production. For even shorter flights, air taxi service using newer, fuel-efficient four- or six-seat light piston aircraft could provide an even lower environmental impact.

Reducing travel

An alternative method for reducing the environmental impact of aviation is to constrain demand for air travel. The UK study Predict and Decide – Aviation, climate change and UK policy, notes that a 10 per cent increase in fares generates a 5 to 15 per cent reduction in demand, and recommends that the British government should manage demand rather than provide for it. This would be accomplished via a strategy that presumes “… against the expansion of UK airport capacity” and constrains demand by the use of economic instruments to price air travel less attractively. A study published by the campaign group Aviation Environment Federation (AEF) concludes that by levying £9 billion of additional taxes the annual rate of growth in demand in the UK for air travel would be reduced to 2 per cent. The ninth report of the House of Commons Environmental Audit Select Committee, published in July 2006, recommends that the British government rethinks its airport expansion policy and considers ways, particularly via increased taxation, in which future demand can be managed in line with industry performance in achieving fuel efficiencies, so that emissions are not allowed to increase in absolute terms.

Kyoto Protocol

Greenhouse gas emissions from fuel consumption in international aviation, in contrast to those from domestic aviation and from energy use by airports, are not assigned under the first round of the Kyoto Protocol, neither are the non-CO2 climate effects. In place of agreement, Governments agreed to work through the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) to limit or reduce emissions and to find a solution to the allocation of emissions from international aviation in time for the second round of Kyoto in 2009 in Copenhagen.

Emissions Trading

As part of that process the ICAO has endorsed the adoption of an open emissions trading system to meet CO2 emissions reduction objectives. Guidelines for the adoption and implementation of a global scheme are currently being developed, and will be presented to the ICAO Assembly in 2007, although the prospects of a comprehensive inter-governmental agreement on the adoption of such a scheme are uncertain.
Within the European Union, however, the European Commission has resolved to incorporate aviation in the European Union Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS). A new directive has been adopted by the European Parliament in July 2008 and approved by the Council in October 2008. It will enter into force on 1 January 2012.

Well, there you are…    ….the most relevant aspect of this report is this:

Aviation is responsible for ONLY 3.5% of anthropic climate change, the existence of which is proven.

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References for Understanding the Atmosphere

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Types of Contrails

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GROUND LEVEL – EARLIEST PHOTO – WAVE VORTICES – PROPELLER VORTICES – ‘SHOCK’ CLOUDS

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GROUND LEVEL

(TROPOSPHERIC)“ectoplasm and wave vortex”

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This aircraft is on approach in humid stormy conditions. Its wheels are down and its flaps are set at fifteen degrees. A temporary “cloud” is visible over the flapped part of the wing indicating the strong pressure reduction caused by the extended flaps, and flowing back from the outermost flap edges is a pair of very strong vortices (“ectoplasm”!) thrown into sharp relief by the clouds of water droplets condensed by the severe reduction in air pressure at their centres. The vortices rise and fall with pressure fluctuations, generated in part by ambient conditions, and also changes in aircraft attitude. Some distance behind the aircraft its wave vortex is remarkably apparent. This is the “mixing engine” that causes contrails to fill supersaturated stratospheric layers.

Why are vortices so stable? Because they spin. Their rotational energy is high, and they can only be brought to a stop by viscous friction between them and the surrounding atmosphere.

The pillar of a tornado is a natural vortex, and is also typically so energetic that water vapor condenses into a “mist” (of water droplets) in the core of its vortex from what one might call the “centrifugal pressure drop” – but one shouldn’t – because the real reason for this condensation is the drop in temperature which occurs as a consequence of this drop in pressure.

THE EARLIEST PHOTO

OF PERSISTENT CONTRAILS (a.k.a. “chemtrails”)


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The left-hand side of the picture was probably taken towards the end of August 1940, when the first high-altitude gun battles were being fought between the RAF and the Luftwaffe. The participants were Hawker Hurricanes and Me 109s, which were both fitted with superchargers which enabled them to manoever and fight at around 27,000 ft. The photo is taken over St. Paul’s Cathedral, London. Apologies for the poor state of the picture, but who knows how many times this picture has been copied…

There is a barrack-room lawyer who has claimed the above picture to be fake. If so, then so is this:

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Seeing that I am still being spammed by this guy and others, I’m forced to point out the obvious…

These are NOT identical pictures, they ARE of St. Paul’s Cathedral, they are obviously fighter battles, and just as obviously NOT anti-aircraft fire, they AREN’T obscured by much bomb smoke because fighter battles tend to PRECEDE major bombing, as the bombers wouldn’t be able to survive fighter attacks. The defending fighters would have had to be “cleared” first, which is what happened.

As they AREN’T identical, (and yet one can see elements common to both) these pictures VALIDATE EACH OTHER. (I’m not sure that a NASA site would use “made up” material. Why would they need to, in this instance?) They are, of course, NOT the only pictures available for validation either…

The right-hand side of the first picture is a more contemporary copy of St. Paul’s for comparison.

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And here is another picture of St. Paul’s, taken somewhat later in the war, where Allied bombers are circling to assemble prior to setting out to attack Germany. In this case one may discern further familiar contrail features such as ice agglomeration, falling, and shear. 

WAVE VORTEX (1)

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This was originally titled “Cessna Downwash” but a better name for it is “aircraft and its wave vortex climbing through clouds”. The powerful vortex generated by the pressure difference (inflight) between the topside and underside of aircraft wings is responsible for the lift which keeps the aircraft aloft and also the drag which demands the power input from its engines. The wave vortex of a jumbo jet has been known to cause light aircraft to crash five minutes AFTER the jumbo has passed. It causes “distrails” (negative contrails – ice crystal trail agglomeration and descent) and much furore in the “chemtrail community” where it is thought to be some new and misunderstood aspect of “spraying”. In reality it is the “mixing engine” which causes contrails to fill stratospheric layers with ice, and as a consequence, turn blue skies to white skies. (The”chemtrail” community immediately starts coughing!)

Let me quote you one of our “heroes” who calls himself skywitness because he believes himself to be a lone watcher of the skies on the side of the brave and true. (But on the other hand he blocked me immediately from his channel and then pursued me avidly through other channels’ comment boxes, claiming his contrail videos were irrefutable proof of “chemtrail spraying”). He asks:

“I would like to know if anyone has seen a rip in the clouds as it was taking place. Was it something that flew through the cloud, or did it just start to appear out of nowhere? I have seen more than a few of these type of rips or trails, but I have never seen how it takes place…”

All I’m asking is that anyone that knows him and reads this, could you get back to him and put him out of his misery? 

WAVE VORTEX (2)

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The USAF transport plane has just released its “decoy” flares into what would have been its invisible wave vortex. Chemtrailers in particular have to realise that this twin vortex extends backwards (and keeps rotating!) for at least fifty miles behind the airplane, and also, whether it is visible or not, it is always there.

These flares, by-the-way, are making the only definite “chemtrails” that can be proven to exist. Wherever this smoke falls, it will provide a few plants with a little extra fertilizer…

….Aaaaah. And of course I completely forgot these:

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 PROPELLER VORTICES

These have also been fervently denied by the relentlessly science-blind as “figments of a feverish imagination”.

Like this:

"figments" from WWII Flying Fortresses

"figments" from WWII Flying Fortresses

And this:

"Figments" of a C-130 Tanker

"Figments" of a C-130 Tanker

And this:

"Figments" of a Kear Cobra helicopter

"Figments" of a Kear Cobra helicopter

And this:

"Figments" of a Catalina

"Figments" of a Catalina

 ‘SHOCK’ CLOUDS

(Also known as a “Mach Cones”):

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Stunning!

Mach Cone of today's B-17

Mach Cone of today's B-17

Wow! (Conspicuous consumption or what?)

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Trails Seen from Space

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ATLANTIC OCEAN – MID-EUROPE – THE CROW INSTABILITY – MORE ABOUT VORTICES – THE 9-11 VORTEX – THE “THIRD” TRAIL – SUPERSATURATION – “GAPS” – FUEL VENTS – AIRBUS 340 RTO BRAKE TEST

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ATLANTIC OCEAN

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A monochrome view of the North Atlantic Ocean by AtlanticSat shows Greenland, Iceland, the British Isles, and part of Norway. Prominent in the photo is a north-south ridge of high pressure, with cold dry air to the west, and warmer wetter air to the east. Aircraft approaching or leaving this ridge have struck permanent contrail conditions on its west side. The trails are at even intervals which suggest there are only TWO great-circle routes involved (London-New York and London LAX) with regular flights from each. The stratosphere (where the trails are) is obviously moving north-to-south.
The trails peter out approaching or leaving the British Isles, where the wetter conditons don’t obtain (for a change).
Chemtrailers must ask themselves why the pilots’ aim was so poor…

MID-EUROPE

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Here we are centered roughly over Hamburg; Copenhagen is right center top and the Baltic Sea further to the right. We are looking at a “triangle” of air travel activity between Kiel (center top), Berlin (bottom right) and the Rhineland (bottom left).
You can see evidence that the stratosphere is sliding along at possibly 100kph from the northwest – maybe!

THE CROW INSTABILITY

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I originally thought these were local control surface vortices, but I have been better advised since, by Jay Reynolds. Thanks, Jay!

MORE ABOUT VORTICES

The Crow instability is a vortex pair instability, and typically goes through several stages:
– A pair of counter rotating vortices act upon each other to amplify small sinusoidal distortions in their vortex shapes (Normally created by some initial disturbance in the system).
– The waves develop into either symmetric or anti-symmetric modes, depending on the nature of the initial disturbance.
– These distortions grow, both through interaction from one vortex on another, and also ‘Self Induction’ of a vortex with itself. This leads to an exponential growth in the vortex wave amplitude.
– The vortex amplitudes reach a critical value and reconnect, forming a chain of vortex rings.

Initially the vortex pair falls rapidly downward. Perturbations of the vortices from the ambient atmosphere grow in a sinusoidal mutual inductance instability (the Crow instability). Eventually the vortices touch, reconnect and form vortex rings which oscillate, interact with themselves and the atmospheric turbulence and stratification, and finally dissolve. During their lifetime the rings continue to drop, giving rise to the periodic series of puffs often seen in contrail evolution.
These are spin-stabilized and follow the deflected air and take a while to spin to a stop. Ice is precipitated out of the -40 deg C water vapor in the vortex vacua. Altogether an intriguing visual phenomenon!
http://www.cerfacs.fr/cfd/wake_vortex_26.php is a useful reference…

And this low-quality video reveals…

And this high-quality video shows how far our understanding has progressed…

# A vortex (plural: vortices) is a spinning, often turbulent, flow of fluid.  Any spiral motion with closed streamlines is vortex flow. …
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortices

Vortices display some special properties:
* The fluid pressure in a vortex is lowest in the center (where the speed is greatest) and rises progressively with distance from the center. This is in accordance with Bernoulli’s Principle. The core of a vortex in air is sometimes visible because of a plume of water vapor caused by condensation in the low pressure of the core. The spout of a tornado is a classic and frightening example of the visible core of a vortex. A dust devil is also the core of a vortex, made visible by the dust drawn upwards by the turbulent flow of air from ground level into the low pressure core.

* The core of every vortex can be considered to contain a vortex line, and every particle in the vortex can be considered to be circulating around the vortex line. Vortex lines can start and end at the boundary of the fluid or form closed loops. They cannot start or end in the fluid. (See Helmholtz’s theorems.) Vortices readily deflect and attach themselves to a solid surface. For example, a vortex usually forms ahead of the propeller disk or jet engine of a slow-moving airplane. One end of the vortex line is attached to the propeller disk or jet engine, but when the airplane is taxiing the other end of the vortex line readily attaches itself to the ground rather than end in midair. The vortex can suck water and small stones into the core and then into the propeller disk or jet engine.

* Two or more vortices that are approximately parallel and circulating in the same direction will merge to form a single vortex. The circulation of the merged vortex will equal the sum of the circulations of the constituent vortices. For example, a sheet of small vortices flows from the trailing edge of the wing or propeller of an airplane when the wing is developing lift or the propeller is developing thrust. In less than one wing chord downstream of the trailing edge of the wing these small vortices merge to form a single vortex. If viewed from the tail of the airplane, looking forward in the direction of flight, there is one wingtip vortex trailing from the left-hand wing and circulating clockwise, and another wingtip vortex trailing from the right-hand wing and circulating anti-clockwise. The result is a region of downwash behind the wing, between the pair of wingtip vortices. These two wingtip vortices do not merge because they are circulating in opposite directions.

* Vortices contain a lot of energy in the circular motion of the fluid. In an ideal fluid this energy can never be dissipated and the vortex would persist forever. However, real fluids exhibit viscosity and this dissipates energy very slowly from the core of the vortex. (See Rankine vortex). It is only through dissipation of a vortex due to viscosity that a vortex line can end in the fluid, rather than at the boundary of the fluid. For example, the wingtip vortices from an airplane dissipate slowly and linger in the atmosphere long after the airplane has passed. This is a hazard to other aircraft and is known as wake turbulence.

Cause and effects
A wing generates aerodynamic lift by creating a region of lower air pressure above it. Fluids are forced to flow from high to low pressure and the air below the wing tends to migrate toward the top of the wing via the wingtips. The air does not escape around the leading or trailing edge of the wing due to airspeed, but it can flow around the tip. Consequently, air flows from below the wing and out around the tip to the top of the wing in a circular fashion.  This leakage will raise the pressure on top of the wing and reduce the lift that the wing can generate. It also produces an emergent flow pattern with low pressure in the center surrounded by fast-moving air with curved streamlines.  Wingtip vortices only affect the portion of the wing closest to the tip. Thus, the longer the wing, the smaller the affected fraction of it will be. As well, the shorter the chord of the wing, the less opportunity air will have to form vortices. This means that for an aircraft to be most efficient, it should have a very high aspect ratio.  This is evident in the design of gliders.  It is also evident in long-range airliners, where fuel efficiency is of critical importance.  However, increasing the wingspan reduces the maneuverability of the aircraft, which is why combat and aerobatic planes usually feature short, stubby wings despite the efficiency losses.

Another method of reducing fuel consumption is the use of winglets, as seen on some modern airliners such as the Airbus A340. Winglets work by forcing the vortex to move to the very tip of the wing and allowing the entire span to produce lift, thereby effectively increasing the aspect ratio of the wing.  Winglets also change the pattern of vorticity in the core of the vortex pattern, spreading it out and reducing the kinetic energy in the circular air flow, which reduces the amount of fuel expended to perform work by the wing upon the spinning air. Winglets can yield worthwhile economy improvements on long-distance flights.

Visibility of vortices due to water condensation and freezing

The cores of the vortices are sometimes visible because water present in them condenses from gas (vapor) to liquid, and sometimes even freezes, forming ice particles.  The phase of water (i.e. whether it assumes the form of a solid, liquid, or gas) is determined by its temperature and pressure.  For example, in the case of liquid-gas transition, at each pressure there is a special “transition temperature” Tc such that if the sample temperature is even a little above Tc, the sample will be a gas, but if the sample temperature is even a little below Tc, the sample will be a liquid; see phase transition.

For example, at the standard atmospheric pressure, Tc is 100 °C = 212 °F.  The transition temperature Tc decreases with decreasing pressure (which explains why water boils at lower temperatures at higher altitudes and at higher temperatures in a pressure cooker; see here for more information).  In the case of water vapor in air, the Tc corresponding to the partial pressure of water vapor is called the dew point. (The solid-liquid transition also happens around a specific transition temperature called the melting point. For most substances, the melting point also decreases with decreasing pressure, although water ice in particular—in its Ih form, which is the most familiar one—is a prominent exception to this rule.)
Vortex cores are regions of low pressure. As a vortex core begins to form, the water in the air (in the region that is about to become the core) is in vapor phase, which means that the local temperature is above the local dew point. After the vortex core forms, the pressure inside it has decreased from the ambient value, and so the local dew point (Tc) has dropped from the ambient value. Thus, in and of itself, a drop in pressure would tend to keep water in vapor form: the initial dew point was already below the ambient air temperature, and the formation of the vortex has made the local dew point even lower.
However, as the vortex core forms, its pressure (and so its dew point) is not the only property that is dropping: the vortex-core temperature is dropping also, and in fact it can drop by much more than the dew point does, as we now explain.
To a first approximation, the formation of vortex cores is thermodynamically an adiabatic process, i.e. one with no exchange of heat. In such a process, the drop in pressure is accompanied by a drop in temperature, according to the equation

Here Ti and pi are the absolute temperature and pressure at the beginning of the process (here equal to the ambient air temperature and pressure), Tf and pf are the absolute temperature and pressure in the vortex core (which is the end result of the process), and the constant γ is about 7/5 = 1.4 for air.
Thus, even though the local dew point inside the vortex cores is even lower than in the ambient air, the water vapor may nevertheless condense—if the formation of the vortex brings the local temperature below the new local dew point. Let us verify that this can indeed happen under realistic conditions.  For a typical transport aircraft landing at an airport, these conditions are as follows: we may take Ti and pi to have values corresponding to the so-called standard conditions, i.e. pi = 1 atm = 1013.25 mb = 101\,325 Pa and Ti = 293.15 K (which is 20 °C = 68 °F).

We will take the relative humidity to be a comfortable 35% (dew point of 4.1 °C = 39.4 °F). This corresponds to a partial pressure of water vapor of 820 Pa = 8.2 mb.

We will assume that in a vortex core, the pressure (pf) drops to about 80% of the ambient pressure, i.e. to about 80 000 Pa.
Let us first determine the temperature in the vortex core. It is given by the equation above as


Next, we determine the dew point in the vortex core. The partial pressure of water in the vortex core drops in proportion to the drop in the total pressure (i.e. by the same percentage), to about 650 Pa = 6.5 mb. According to a dew point calculator at this site (alternatively one may use the Antoine equation to obtain an approximate value), that partial pressure results in the local dew point of about 0.86 °C; in other words, the new local dew point is about equal to the new local temperature.
Therefore, the case we have been considering is a marginal case; if the relative humidity of the ambient air were even a bit higher (with the total pressure and temperature remaining as above), then the local dew point inside the vortices would rise, while the local temperature would remain the same as what we have just found. Thus the local temperature would now be lower than the local dew point, and so the water vapor inside the vortices would indeed condense.
Under right conditions, the local temperature in vortex cores may drop below the local freezing point, in which case ice particles will form inside the vortex cores.
We have just seen that the water-vapor condensation mechanism in wingtip vortices is driven by local changes in air pressure and temperature. This is to be contrasted to what happens in another well-known case of water condensation related to airplanes: the contrails from airplane engine exhausts. In the case of contrails, the local air pressure and temperature do not change significantly; what matters instead is that the exhaust contains both water vapor (which increases the local water-vapor concentration and so its partial pressure, resulting in elevated dew point and freezing point) as well as aerosols (which provide nucleation centers for the condensation and freezing).
Condensation of water vapor in wing tip vortices is most common on aircraft flying at high angles of attack, such as fighter aircraft in high g maneuvers, or airliners taking off and landing on humid days.

Observations
A vortex can be seen in the spiraling motion of air or liquid around a center of rotation. Circular current of water of conflicting tides form vortex shapes.
Turbulent flow makes many vortices. A good example of a vortex is the atmospheric phenomenon of a whirlwind or a tornado or dust devil. This whirling air mass mostly takes the form of a helix, column, or spiral. Tornadoes develop from severe thunderstorms, usually spawned from squall lines and supercell thunderstorms, though they sometimes happen as a result of a hurricane.

In atmospheric physics, a mesovortex is on the scale of a few miles (smaller than a hurricane but larger than a tornado). On a much smaller scale, a vortex is usually formed as water goes down a drain, as in a sink or a toilet. This occurs in water as the revolving mass forms a whirlpool. This whirlpool is caused by water flowing out of a small opening in the bottom of a basin or reservoir. This swirling flow structure within a region of fluid flow opens downward from the water surface.

Instances

* In the hydrodynamic interpretation of the behavior of electromagnetic fields, the acceleration of electric fluid in a particular direction creates a positive vortex of magnetic fluid. This in turn creates around itself a corresponding negative vortex of electric fluid.
* Smoke ring : A ring of smoke which persists for a surprisingly long time, illustrating the slow rate at which viscosity dissipates the energy of a vortex.
* Lift-induced drag of a wing on an aircraft.

* The primary cause of drag in the sail of a sloop.
* Whirlpool: a swirling body of water produced by ocean tides or by a hole underneath the vortex where the water would drain out, such as a bathtub. A large, powerful whirlpool is known as a maelstrom. In popular imagination, but only rarely in reality, they can have the dangerous effect of destroying boats. Examples are Scylla and Charybdis of classical mythology in the Straits of Messina, Italy; the Naruto whirlpools of Nankaido, Japan; the Maelstrom, Lofoten, Norway.

* Tornado : a violent windstorm characterized by a twisting, funnel-shaped cloud. A less violent version of a tornado, over water, is called a waterspout.
* Hurricane : a much larger, swirling body of clouds produced by evaporating warm ocean water and influenced by the Earth’s rotation. Similar, but far greater, vortices are also seen on other planets, such as the permanent Great Red Spot on Jupiter and the intermittent Great Dark Spot on Neptune.

* Polar vortex : a persistent, large-scale cyclone centered near the Earth’s poles, in the middle and upper troposphere and the stratosphere.
* Sunspot : dark region on the Sun’s surface (photosphere) marked by a lower temperature than its surroundings, and intense magnetic activity.
* The accretion disk of a black hole or other massive gravitational source.
* Spiral galaxy : a type of galaxy in the Hubble sequence which is characterized by a thin, rotating disk. Earth’s galaxy, the Milky Way, is of this type.

# VORTEX – The Verification of the Origins of Rotation in Tornadoes Experiment or VORTEX, field projects study tornadoes. VORTEX1 was the first time scientists completely researched the entire evolution of a tornado enabling a greater understanding of the processes involved with tornadogenesis. …

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VORTEX

THE 9-11 VORTEX

As explained previously, vortices that come into contact with each reconfigure each other, regenerating intermediate “rings”, and ALL vortices will “stick” to a plane surface – like the ground (tornado), or the face of a building (World Trade Center Tower 2).

The Boeing 767, weighing around 180,000 kilograms and traveling at 260 meters/second, was pulling up in about a 2G banking turn before it struck the tower, so the energy it was putting into its (invisible) WAVE VORTEX was twice the normal, it occurred to me, so might not there be EVIDENCE of its existence in the smoke and dust after the collision?

Evidence there is, in embarrassing plenty. Embarrassing for “no-planers”, anyway, if they were to be well-informed and curious enough to CONTINUE TO WATCH after the collision took place. An oxymoron, I think.

Check back to confirm this if you like…

So now “no-planers” would HAVE to claim that the video artists that “falsified” these images were experts in aerodynamics as well.

To which the answer is OCCAM…

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THE “THIRD” TRAIL…

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In this case the fifth… is the trail left by the APU (Auxiliary Power Unit) which is a normal (but small) gas turbine/electrical generator set. As with the main engines, it burns kerosine to form carbon dioxide and steam. As with the main engines, it leaves a trail. But where’s it coming from?

SUPERSATURATION

“the whole plane is spraying”

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When stratospheric air is very clean and stable it may contain MORE water vapour than it does when it is described as having 100% Relative Humidity. The slightest disturbance to it will cause ice crystals to precipitate out of it. It cannot go into super-saturation if there are ANY nucleative materials of any sort in this air.
Here is just such a case, which occurs on occasion in the sub-tropical stratosphere. The trail forms by “burst condensation” into super-cooled droplets which are microscopic initially and can refract sunlight by interference. Over a small space of time these droplets grow progressively as water vapor deposits more supercooled water into them. As they progressively increase their size they run through a progression of light frequencies which they interfere with. This is NOT a refraction effect.

Chemtrailers claim the colors to be indicative of “foreign materials” which is quite the reverse of the truth; only pure water will do this, and only pure air will have become supersaturated in the first place.
The fact that in supersaturated conditions, large aircraft can place thousands of tons of ice into the stratosphere is covered by the paper “Contrails to Cirrus” mentioned in the INTRODUCTION page.
https://jazzroc.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/01-compendium/

“GAPS”

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“Gaps” are claimed by chemtrailers as “evidence that planes are spraying”. Such gaps will of course appear in any persistent contrail where the stratospheric air RH falls below 100%. Generally, of course, the humidity tails off gradually, and the transition of trail-to-no-trail is quite indistinct.
In THIS case, the “transition” is a hard and sharp right angle. Too sharp, in fact, for a whirling twin-vortex contrail… Close inspection of the “sky” each side of the “gap” shows it to be comprised of a chemtrailer’s vertical “airbrush strokes”! Naughty!

FUEL VENTS

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Here we have an aircraft actually spraying something; it’s fuel. If some in-flight emergency occurs and the plane must make a quick landing, it must first lose weight, for it cannot land at its take-off weight. Some of its fuel must GO.

Chemtrailers are quick to claim this shot as “spraying evidence”.

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6 Porkies

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6 PORKIES – AEROSOLS – THE ATMOSPHERE – THE WMO – ATMOSNAPS

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“PORK PIE” = “LIE”  – Cockney rhyming slang. 

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6 PORKIES

“Obviously your alleged credentials are fraud” – has your short-term memory passed away? ONE.

“A true person of Science would step forward and lay all questions to rest” – ditto, and I have. Check my comments here. Check http://www.contrailscience.com. Check http://www.myspace.com/jazzroc TWO.

“You do nothing” – I COULD start pasting again… THREE.

“It is safe to assume that people’s claims must have basis” – assuming is the only action you do. Why not educate yourself in science? FOUR.

“I’d like nothing more than for someone to prove nothing is going on” – FIVE.

“You are by far not only a fraud but a coward as well” – GIANT PORKY NUMBER SIX.

AEROSOLS

What a great porky this one is!

The non-scientific word-association goes aerosol – hair spray – sprayers (truly inspirational!)

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TO THIS:

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But never a thought to CHECKING UP what the REAL MEANING (scientific meaning) of aerosol ACTUALLY IS:

Aerosol – from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Aerosol – contamination in northeastern India and Bangladesh.
Technically, an aerosol is a suspension of fine solid particles or liquid droplets in a gas. Examples are smoke, oceanic haze, air pollution, smog and CS gas. In general conversation, aerosol usually refers to an aerosol spray can or the output of such a can.
The word aerosol derives from the fact that matter “floating” in air is a suspension (a mixture in which solid or liquid or combined solid-liquid particles are suspended in a fluid). To differentiate suspensions from true solutions, the term sol evolved – originally meant to cover dispersions of tiny (sub-microscopic) particles in a liquid.
With studies of dispersions in air, the term aerosol evolved and now embraces both liquid droplets, solid particles, and combinations of these.

Workplace exposure
Concentrated aerosols from substances such as silica, asbestos, and diesel particulate matter are sometimes found in the workplace and have been shown to result in a number of diseases including silicosis and black lung. Respirators can protect workers from harmful aerosol exposure. In the United States the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health certifies respirators through the National Personal Protective Technology Laboratory to ensure that they protect workers and the public from harmful airborne contaminants.

Effect on climate
Aerosols over the Amazon each September for four burning seasons (2005 through 2008). The aerosol scale (yellow to dark reddish-brown) indicates the relative amount of particles that absorb sunlight. Anthropogenic aerosols, particularly sulfate aerosols from fossil fuel combustion, exert a cooling influence on the climate which partly counteracts the warming induced by greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide. This effect is accounted for in many climate models. Recent research, as yet unconfirmed, suggests that aerosol diffusion of light may have increased the carbon sink in the earth’s ecosystem.

Recent studies of the Sahel drought and major increases since 1967 in rainfall over the Northern Territory, Kimberley, Pilbara and around the Nullarbor Plain have led some scientists to conclude that the aerosol haze over South and East Asia has been steadily shifting tropical rainfall in both hemispheres southward.

The latest studies of severe rainfall declines over southern Australia since 1997 have led climatologists there to consider the possibility that these Asian aerosols have shifted not only tropical but also mid-latitude systems southward.

Oxides of nitrogen (NOx) in the atmosphere are a form of pollution which can give rise to smog and act as a greenhouse gas. Their persistence in the atmosphere is affected by aerosol droplets of water.
In 1964 long chain fatty acids, either naturally produced from marine organisms dispersed into the atmosphere by wave action or man-made, were found to coat these droplets. In 2006 there was a study of the effect of the LCFA on the persistence of NOx, but the long term implications, although thought to be significant, have yet to be determined.

So AEROSOL means this:

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Or this:
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A REALTIME study of aerosol presence (made by satellite) all over the world may be obtained here, and here is a representative image, from which you can see the satellite passes 90 minutes apart.
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There is a video made over a fortnight showing the main aerosol action occurs travelling westward on a line passing through BANGLADESH and the SAHARA DESERT. It is MAN-MADE – the consequence of many hundreds of millions of humans living close to the poverty line…  slash-and-burn, cooking fires, forest fires, vegetable farming decomposition, volcanoes…

No aircraft contrails are found anywhere NEAR this line…

So much for the “chemtrailers” and their “the NWO is poisoning the whole world” theory…

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THE ATMOSPHERE

What is it?

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It’s a mixture of invisible element and compound gases; nitrogen, oxygen, carbon dioxide, water vapour, argon, neon, and trace amounts of other inert gaseous elements. This mixture keeps us in a healthy condition, and imbalance in this mixture can poison and/or kill us. We would all prefer to be at Standard Temperature and Pressure, which is 20 deg C (70 deg F) and 1000 millibars (14.7 lb/in2).

Standard Temperature and Pressure occur at Sea Level, but the atmosphere may reach up to 200Km or more (the INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION orbits at 400Km and you can bet there’s very little atmosphere, if any, at that height!) The following diagram is a graph of atmospheric pressure against height over sea level (altitude). The space station height is three graph-heights higher than the graph below.

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There is an asymptotic fall-off of pressure with altitude which is easy to see. This, when combined with the concomitant drop in temperature lends weight to the understanding that the stratosphere cannot bear much loading of contrail ice before it saturates, and cannot absorb more.

The region just immediately higher than the tropopause (at approximately 26,000 feet to 39,000 feet) is the region where passenger aircraft fly, for reasons of safety and economy.

The pressure above the tropopause is one-fifth that at sea level, but at the high cruising speed of 550 miles per hour, there is sufficient dynamic lift for safe and stable flight.

This region is the CAUSE of the “chemtrail” controversy, for it is COLD, STABLE, and INCAPABLE of absorbing large amounts of combustion steam as water vapor. As a consequence this steam cools to microscopically-fine ice crystals, which form – TRAILS behind the aircraft.

And the following is a diagram of air dewpoint and temperature plotted against height above sea level (altitude).

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If you look at the dewpoint line (on left) you can see it move continually leftward with increase in height above sea level. This powerfully indicates that with increasing height, the atmosphere is increasingly incapable of absorbing the exhaust water formed by burning kerosine in gas turbines.

Looking at the temperature (lapse rate) line on the right, you can see that it moves leftward with increase in height above sea level, until it reaches the tropopause, where it starts to edge to the right again. You can see that after the tropopause the atmosphere gets WARMER with increasing height. The concave shapes to both dewpoint and temperature here indicate some energy input – either solar ‘focusing’ from tropospheric clouds, or jet stream mixing energy – it is hard to guess.

Another couple of points. This chart was obviously made on a cold day; the sea level temperature is just sub-zero. However, two hundred metres higher, and the air temperature is five degrees higher. Bumps and dips in these two lines show where you may infer the presence of clouds.

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There is much more to learn about our atmosphere than I have given here, but I can heartily recommend this link to the UK’s Met Office.

After that you can answer these questions (can’t you!).

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As further confirmation I strongly recommend AtOptics

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And a word to the “wise”. There is a lot of scuttlebutt going around which says “Global Warming is just a myth started by our duplicitous governments as a means of extracting additional taxes”. Well I remember a time when it was thought we were headed directly for a new ice age.

(This was just a journalistic ruse. The next Ice Age will occur approximately 16,000 years from the present.)

Since then, it is true that government funds are available for the investigation of GW to the detriment of other research, and that horrible thing “political correctness” has raised its ugly head above the horizon, but the facts are too numerous to mention that the climate is warming, but also that other facts remain unmentioned, which leaves a question of politics…

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See “Global Warming is a Myth” under G in this blog.

https://jazzroc.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/19-global-dimming/

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THE WORLD METEOROLOGICAL ORGANIZATION

One of the major purposes of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), as laid down in its Convention, is “To facilitate worldwide cooperation in the establishment of networks of stations for the making of meteorological observations as well as hydrological and other geophysical observations related to meteorology, and to promote the establishment and maintenance of centres charged with the provision of meteorological and related services”.

Accordingly, WMO Members operate, in a coordinated manner, complex networks in space, the atmosphere, on land and over oceans. In 2007, Members decided to work towards enhanced integration of both the WMO Global Observing System (GOS) and WMO co-sponsored observing systems such as the Global Ocean Observing System (GOOS), Global Terrestrial Observing System (GTOS) and Global Climate Observing System (GCOS). This concept is called the WMO Integrated Global Observing Systems (WIGOS).

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Currently, more than 10000 manned and automatic surface weather stations, 1000 upper-air stations, over 7000 ships, more than 100 moored and 1000 drifting buoys, hundreds of weather radars and over 3000 specially equipped commercial aircraft measure key parameters of the atmosphere, land and ocean surface every day. The space-based component of the WMO Observing System contains operational polar-orbiting and geostationary satellites and also R&D environmental satellites complementing ground-based global observations. These activities are coordinated within the Global Observing System (GOS) of the World Weather Watch (WWW) of WMO. Several WMO Programmes sponsor or participate in the operation of several global observing systems. Other global observing systems, e.g. the global hydrological networks (WHYCOS), function principally on a national or regional level.

Observation programmes such as the Global Climate Observing System (GCOS) and the Global Ocean Observing System (GOOS) will continue to play a major role in improving the collection of required data for the development of climate forecasts and climate change detection. WMO’s Global Atmosphere Watch (GAW) provides data for scientific assessments and for early warnings of changes in the chemical composition and related physical characteristics of the atmosphere that may have adverse affects upon our environment. Through its Instruments and Methods of Observation Programme (IMOP), WMO ensures that meteorological instruments, including manual and automatic ground-based stations and space-based observing systems, are accurate and provide standardized data.

WMO monitoring and observing systems will be a core component of the Global Earth Observation System of Systems (GEOSS), aimed at developing a comprehensive, coordinated and sustained Earth observation system of systems to understand and address global environmental and economic challenges.

ATMOSNAPS

This is, of course, a silly word coined by me to introduce these pictures of Earth’s atmosphere which have been taken by some of the NASA Space Shuttle astronauts from the International Space Station.

I find them most stimulating and interesting. We spend all our time with a “flat-earther” viewpoint, looking up at clouds and failing to see them for what they truly are.

Moment of Launch - "the twang's the thang!"

Moment of Launch - "the twang's the thang!"

Shuttle lift-off at Cape Kennedy

Shuttle lift-off at Cape Kennedy

Out on a limb...

Out on a limb...

A massive cumulo-nimbus from above...

A massive cumulo-nimbus from above...

A Saharan sandstorm leaves the West Coast of Africa

A Saharan sandstorm leaves the West Coast of Africa

Eddies form in Cirrus clouds passing over a Mediterranean isle

Eddies form in Cirrus clouds passing over a Mediterranean isle

A sunset from space...

A sunset from space...

Barium

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BARIUM – BIGGER FOLLOW-UP

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 Barium

(from Wikipedia)

Name, Symbol, Number: barium, Ba, 56
Chemical series: alkaline earth metals
Group, Period, Block: 2, 6, s
Appearance: silvery white

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Standard atomic weight 137.327(7) ug·mol-1
Electron configuration [Xe] 6s2
Electrons per shell 2, 8, 18, 18, 8, 2

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Physical properties

Phase: solid
Density 3.51 g/cm3
Liquid density at m.p.: 3.338 g/cm3
Melting point: 1000K (727°C, 1341°F)
Boiling point: 2170K (1897°C, 3447°F)
Heat of fusion: 7.12 kJ/mol-1
Heat of vaporization: 140.3 kJ/mol
Heat capacity: (25°C) 28.07 J/mol/K
Oxidation states: 2 (strongly basic oxide)
Magnetic ordering: paramagnetic
Electrical resistivity: (20°C) 332 nO/m
Thermal conductivity: (300K) 18.4 W/m/K
Thermal expansion (25°C) 20.6 µm/m/K
Mohs hardness: 1.25
CAS registry number: 7440-39-3

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Barium is a chemical element, it has the symbol Ba, and atomic number 56. Barium is a soft silvery metallic alkaline earth metal and is never found in nature in its pure form due to its reactivity with air. Its oxide is historically known as baryta but it reacts with water and carbon dioxide and is not found as a mineral. The most common naturally occurring minerals are the very insoluble barium sulfate, BaSO4 (barite), and barium carbonate, BaCO3 (witherite). Benitoite is a rare gem containing barium.
It is a metallic element that is chemically similar to calcium but more reactive. This metal oxidizes very easily when exposed to air and is highly reactive with water or alcohol, producing hydrogen gas. Burning in air or oxygen produces not just barium oxide (BaO) but also the peroxide. Simple compounds of this heavy element are notable for their high specific gravity. This is true of the most common barium-bearing mineral, its sulfate barite BaSO4, also called ‘heavy spar’ due to the high density (4.5 g/cm³).
It has some medical and many industrial uses:
* Barium compounds, and especially barite (BaSO4), are extremely important to the petroleum industry. Barite is used in drilling mud, a weighting agent in drilling new oil wells.
* Barium sulfate is used as a radiocontrast agent for X-ray imaging of the digestive system (“barium meals” and “barium enemas”).
* Barium carbonate is a useful rat poison and can also be used in making bricks. Unlike the sulfate, the carbonate dissolves in stomach acid, allowing it to be poisonous.
* An alloy with nickel is used in spark plug wire.
* Barium oxide is used in a coating for the electrodes of fluorescent lamps, which facilitates the release of electrons.
* The metal is a “getter” in vacuum tubes, to remove the last traces of oxygen.
* Barium carbonate is used in glassmaking. Being a heavy element, barium increases the refractive index and luster of the glass.
* Barite is used extensively in rubber production.
* Barium nitrate and chlorate give green colors in fireworks.
* Impure barium sulfide phosphoresces after exposure to the light.
* Lithopone, a pigment that contains barium sulfate and zinc sulfide, is a permanent white that has good covering power, and does not darken in when exposed to sulfides.
* Barium peroxide can be used as a catalyst to start an aluminothermic reaction when welding rail tracks together. It can also be used in green tracer ammunition.
* Barium titanate was proposed in 2007[1] to be used in next generation battery technology for electric cars.
* Barium Fluoride is used in infrared applications.
* Barium is a key element in YBCO superconductors.

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History

Barium (Greek barys, meaning “heavy”) was first identified in 1774 by Carl Scheele and extracted in 1808 by Sir Humphry Davy in England. The oxide was at first called barote, by Guyton de Morveau, which was changed by Antoine Lavoisier to baryta, from which “barium” was derived to describe the metal.

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Occurrence

Because barium quickly becomes oxidized in air, it is difficult to obtain this metal in its pure form. It is primarily found in and extracted from the mineral barite which is crystallized barium sulfate. Barium is commercially produced through the electrolysis of molten barium chloride (BaCl2)

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Compounds
The most important compounds are barium peroxide, barium chloride, sulfate, carbonate, nitrate, and chlorate.

Isotopes
Naturally occurring barium is a mix of seven stable isotopes. There are twenty-two isotopes known, but most of these are highly radioactive and have half-lives in the several millisecond to several minute range. The only notable exceptions are 133Ba which has a half-life of 10.51 years, and 137Ba (2.55 minutes).

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Precautions
All water or acid soluble barium compounds are extremely poisonous. At low doses, barium acts as a muscle stimulant, while higher doses affect the nervous system, causing cardiac irregularities, tremors, weakness, anxiety, dyspnea and paralysis. This may be due to its ability to block potassium ion channels which are critical to the proper function of the nervous system.
Barium sulfate can be taken orally because it is highly insoluble in water, and is eliminated completely from the digestive tract. Unlike other heavy metals, barium does not bioaccumulate. However, inhaled dust containing barium compounds can accumulate in the lungs, causing a benign condition called baritosis.
Oxidation occurs very easily and, to remain pure, barium should be kept under a petroleum-based fluid (such as kerosene) or other suitable oxygen-free liquids that exclude air.
Barium acetate could lead to death in high doses. Marie Robards poisoned her father with the substance in Texas in 1993. She was tried and convicted in 1996.

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BIGGER FOLLOW-UP (TO “SODA POP” LEADER)

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ADDRESSED TO YOUTUBE “CHEMTRAIL” VIDEO SITES

Jet engines MAKE soda pop. Decane is the chemical name for aviation kerosine, or JP-8*. The combustion formula goes:
2*C10H22 + 31*O2 -> 20*CO2 + 11*H2O, or
DECANE + OXYGEN -> CARBON DIOXIDE + WATER

And as MOST OF US know:

CARBON DIOXIDE + WATER = FIZZYPOP

*JP-8 is modern aviation kerosine. It is safer, with a higher flashpoint that the JP-4 it has superseded. It has anti-corrosion and anti-gelling additives, but does NOT contain Ethylene Dibromide (which was once used to dissolve the lead oxide produced by tetra-ethyl lead anti-knock gasoline).

There could be THREE OR MORE transparent layers of air of DIFFERENT HUMIDITIES, only ONE of which condenses (at -40 deg) an ICE CRYSTAL TRAIL, within the short-haul civil aircraft band between 30 and 35 thousand feet. Layer thicknesses of differing humidity are frequently only hundreds of feet thick, and aircraft are spaced ten miles apart on the same level for a particular route, and conflicting routes are typically 2000ft above or below each other.

So you’ll see SOME planes laying ice crystal trails while others don’t – it depends which transparent stratospheric layer the plane is flying through. These layers themselves aren’t perfectly flat – they roughly conform to the ground profile AND any rising CUMULUS clouds. So even if the plane flies straight and level, it may be the layer it is in slopes gently down or up, and an ice crystal trail either appears or disappears. You have to remember these layers, though different, are ALWAYS themselves transparent.

So you can’t SEE them. You can only see which layer is really humid by a plane throwing a “vapor trail” in it. Typically stratospheric layers begin ABOVE the TROPOPAUSE, which is where our ground level weather STOPS. The layers vary in thickness, more densely packed close to the TROPOPAUSE, thinning out to nothing much above twelve miles up. It’s very smooth and calm up there (although it may have a high speed with respect to the ground).

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Unlike what it is DOWN HERE. This rising panic ensues from an under-educated public. Had you all been properly taught about the weather as schoolchildren, this would be a NON-TOPIC.

Respiratory ailments may well be on the increase, but so is the planting of unusual crops which emit unusual pollens, auto fumes are still on the increase, and urban photochemical smogs are also on the increase. It is known (by some) that the COMBINATION of pollens, auto fumes, and urban smog can cause severe auto-immune failure, asthma, and death in the young, weak, or elderly.

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If there are MORE “vapor trails” in the sky than there used to be, then the answer is that there is MORE AVIATION TRAFFIC and MORE WATER IN THE ATMOSPHERE. It isn’t very wise to look upwards and blame “soda pop” for combinatory effects which are happening down here, solely because you can’t understand how the atmosphere works. It certainly doesn’t help you to find a REAL solution to the REAL problem.

Video posts like this are WRONG, and risk scenarios as HARMFUL as a TSUNAMI.

Would YOU call a tsunami EVIL? No you wouldn’t, because a tsunami lacks INTENT.

Would I call this video post EVIL?

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Blathering

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BLATHERING

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“those sky-grids” – you’re about to get the works on that from ME.

“scientific evidence proves that a great increase of planes cannot affect the upper stratosphere” – NO, IT DOESN’T AT ALL. Few aircraft fly in the UPPER stratosphere. They fly in the lower stratosphere, just above the tropopause. The stratosphere is easily affected by combustion exhaust water, because it is stable, and has only sublimation into water vapor, and the force of gravity upon the ice crystals, causing them to fall, as mechanisms for removal. Contrails spread in saturated or supersaturated conditions to cover the whole sky. What scientific evidence is this?

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“you’re implying that air-layers combine suitably within an hour” – stratospheric layers don’t combine at all, but they may be filled with ice crystals as the planes’ wave vortices stir the layer contents.

“50’s, 60’s and 70’s disseminated all over Britain (millions of ppl affected)” – YOU’RE MISTAKEN AGAIN. Didn’t you know that WATER, KILLED BACTERIA, and a PHOSPHORESCENT DYE are HARMLESS? Please refer to me the records indicating that millions of people were affected. And, anyway, wasn’t this to do with finding out how to combat Russian germ warfare attack? Before you make free with the FALSEHOODS you should look up contrailscience.com and find out how your blathering stands up to reality. And for a further perspective on Man versus Nature you could look up my blog on:

http://www.myspace.com/jazzroc

BLOBLAW005

I’ve debated the contrail vs. chemtrail theories with jazzroc for the past couple of months. I did present a well researched and thought out scientific argument to him. His response was to delete my comments from his weblog, and to block any comments I post.

That’s because:

a) you didn’t debate anything: you posted using an anonymous email address – once. That isn’t a debate. If you look in that inbox you’ll find letters from me still awaiting your response.

b) your research was poor and your science non-existent. There was nothing in your post which advanced anything. Except sophistry.

Contrails are known and measured as part of atmospheric science. It is “chemtrails” that is a theory.

What about the Bergeron-Findeisen theory? Can persistent contrails exist if the Bergeron-Findeisen theory were true?

If there ARE differing vapour pressure requirements for deposition of water onto either super-cooled droplets or ice crystals, then the Bergeron-Findeisen Theory is true, and the droplets will evaporate in favour of deposition onto the ice crystals. The evaporation will then raise the humidity, making it even more likely that the next aircraft will leave a permanent trail. Super-cooled droplets are produced aerodynamically over the wings in marginally-warmer conditions: the exhausts produce ice crystals at -40 or colder, which is the general rule over 30,000 feet.

But that makes no difference to the final outcome, which is that persistent contrails are clouds of ice crystals which cannot evaporate into the fully-saturated atmosphere which surrounds them.

Nor to the conclusions one can draw, which are:

a) that persistent trails are natural, and not the confirmation of “chemtrails”, and

b) all other “proofs” having been shown to be fraudulent, the case for “chemtrails” is non-existent.

Were you to study any physics at all, your “theory” would vanish, your “debate” disappear. 

BLUSTER

“tell not contrails” – NO YOU CANNOT. See below.

“My entire life this never happened” – It was happening BEFORE YOU WERE BORN.

“I watch planes/real contrails, and they disappear, but these chemtrails DO Not” – Your assumption is INCORRECT. Contrails CAN and DO persist in HUMID stratospheric conditions.

“only spray where the population lives” – Above every town is a RISING PLUME of HEAT and HUMIDITY. Contrails MAY persist in these plumes. Also you may care to check out satellite pictures from space, which show quite clearly that the trails form within humid atmospheric conditions.

“How stupid do they think people are?” – How stupid do you wish to remain?

“back and forth over the towns” – These are SEPARATE planes, each either COMING or GOING. No videos have ever shown a “spraying” plane circling to respray a town, because these aircraft are civil flights from one major airport to another.

“Why?” – Your answer’s above…

“targeting these areas/get the full benefit of the poisons” – JUST BULLSHIT AND BLUSTER (LIES). Just dial up a satellite view and you will see contrails wherever the atmosphere is moist. That is, randomly over land AND ocean, wherever the conditions are HUMID.

yourlungsglowlikeabeacon

 BOOBLUBE

It is YOU that has been handed a line – which you cannot handle.

Don’t send me any more “information”. I am a very fast reader and have read and seen everything you’ve seen.

You have a problem with reasoning. Any reasonable educated person would listen to Carnicom for about FIVE minutes, and then switch him off. The reason he would do that is that he breaks all the rules of journalism and science. Instead of supplying EVIDENCE and PROOF he makes further assertions, breaking the “legal” chain of evidence. If you cannot see that I am sorry for you, but I’m no longer prepared to help you.

What makes you think that airborne materials MUST have come from an airplane, for instance? Do you KNOW how far vapour trail materials DRIFT? I don’t even need a calculator to tell you – from an altitude of seven miles it’s going to be AT LEAST TWO HUNDRED MILES DOWNWIND.

What makes you think that as you read this, you are NOT ingesting pathogens and metals? I can tell you that, for sure, you ARE, AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN INGESTING THEM. YOU ALWAYS WILL.

Your body is a DYNAMIC device, evolved over 4 billion years to COPE with such stresses. It WILL eliminate those metals AND KILL those pathogens.

germs

It’s just a question of degree…

You lack the scientific understanding to prevent you from freely believing the UNBELIEVABLE.

DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

“Namely, they persist for hours (eventually turning into a haze that doesn’t go away”

They’re in the stratosphere. That is, above five miles UP, about a fifth of atmospheric pressure, as warm as -40 deg C, maybe as cold as -80 deg, which is colder than the surface of Mars.

mars

Passing planes laying 100lb of ICE per mile will SOON saturate the stratospheric layer they are in. Once that happens, the ice of the trail CANNOT SUBLIME ANY MORE INTO WATER VAPOUR. It MUST remain. It WILL persist for hours. The only reason it doesn’t persist for EVER, is that it is HEAVY, and FALLING.

“water doesn’t act that way” -You are WRONG. Water in the stratosphere is ICE. Not ice like in your fridge, more like finely powdered GLASS. I’ve lived in Germany, and deep in the continental land mass the temperature can fall very low in winter. I have experienced -40 deg C, and let me tell you ICE ISN’T EVEN SLIPPERY AT -40 DEG C. It is HARD and it is DRY. Say you were in a balloon at 32,000 feet and an Airbus came just by you at 575mph.

chemtrailsfront

You’d be amazed at its speed, and also its colossal WAVE VORTEX, as it whirled the two trails around itself in two columns fifty yards across. The trail would sting your face like wind-whipped sand on a beach. Of course, your face would fall off with the intense cold as well…

“they are sprayed from unmarked aircraft” – WRONG AGAIN. They are marked, but the markings become invisible from the ground due to a phenomenon called “blue light scattering”. Had the plane been painted BLACK, from the ground you would see NO PLANE AT ALL

“they stop and start in a manner not consistent with normal contrail formation” – WRONG AGAIN. They start and stop PERFECTLY consistent with normal contrail formation. The trails are created in saturated or supersaturated air. The “inconsistency” is firmly in your understanding of the nature of the stratosphere.

Your mistake lies in assuming that these AIRS are DISTINGUISHABLE: they are NOT. All types of air are TRANSPARENT, get it? INVISIBLE! Hence a plane flying through dry air leaves no trail. It hits a humid area: it leaves a trail. Stop, start, stop, start. This can happen for miles: stratospheric layers frequently form ripples as a consequence of atmospheric compressibility following on downwind from upward ground projections such as ridges and mountains…

lenticularcloud

“photographed as not even coming from the engines” – That’s right. Either a) You don’t understand that the time taken for the exhaust to cool down from +1100 degrees to -40 degrees manifests itself as a GAP, or b) the plane has hit SUPERSATURATED air, when the WHOLE AIRFRAME sets a trail and the tightest vortices (wingtips, control surface ends) will cause the MOST ICE to get dumped.

“I don’t remember them as a child or teen” – I DO. I was always keen on aircraft, making them from the age of 7. Why would you? You wouldn’t be LOOKING for them. In our lifetime we’ve seen a TREMENDOUS increase in low-cost air travel, and a VERY RECENT increase in cheap videocams, and reduction in educational standards…

vcam

“the media will not talk about the issue” – They only talk about things that increase their sales. They also have good scientific advice which deters them from printing unconsidered rubbish. Living on the Spanish Canary Islands, I don’t read the media much…

“and some other reasons” – You better tell me what they are, for so far you have NOTHING… 

BRITANNICA

britannicaIt says IN THE ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA:

http://contrailscience.com/persisting-and-spreading-contrails

Contrail, streamer of cloud sometimes observed behind an airplane flying in clear, cold, humid air. It forms upon condensation of the water vapour produced by the combustion of fuel in the airplane engines. When the ambient relative humidity is high, the resulting ice-crystal plume may last for several hours. The trail may be distorted by the winds, and sometimes it spreads outwards to form a layer of cirrus cloud.

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9074829 

Broken Contrails

from “Uncinus” of “Contrailscience”

Contrails are clouds made from water vapor that condenses then freezes behind a plane engine. Since the engines are on constantly, it seems a bit odd when you see contrails with gaps in them, or even contrails that stop and start. If the engine is pumping out a constant amount of water, then why is the trail not constant? This puzzle is sometimes seized on by people who think that persistent contrails are actually “chemtrails”, or some kind of deliberate spraying operation.

But it’s actually very simple. The amount of water in the exhaust is pretty constant, but the amount of moisture in the air is not. The humidity varies with altitude in the stratosphere, and a layer of low humidity can be sandwiched between two layers of high humidity. As a plane climbs or descends through this layer, then the trail will only form in the areas of high humidity, and so look like it was “switched off” in the area of low humidity.

You can get the same effect with temperature. A warm layer of air can actually lay on top of a colder layer in what is called an “inversion” (you’ll hear this on the weather sometimes, referred to as an “inversion layer”). When a plane flies through this inversion layer, the trail can be “broken”.

It’s not just climbing or descending flights either. The boundaries between these layers is not flat, and gravity waves or rising convection currents of air can create large volumes of air that differ in temperature and/or humidity from the neighboring air, and so can break (or make) the contrail when the plane flies through them.

Don’t take my word for it though. Do a Google search for “broken contrail” and you’ll find lots of examples, and similar explanations.

NOAA – “Occasionally a jet plane, especially if ascending or descending, will pass through a much drier or more moist layer of atmosphere which may result in a broken pattern to the contrail, with it appearing in segments rather than in one continuous plume.”

AirSpace Magazine – “If the contrail stops, then starts up again, creating a broken line, chances are the airplane flew through a dry patch.”

Doc Weather – “What is happening here is that warm air rising from the ground carries vast amounts of water vapor upwards into the highest levels of the atmosphere. This water vapor exists as massive, plumes of warm, moist air ascending to very high levels. When a rising plume reaches the upper atmosphere it condenses into high ice clouds known as cirrus or feather clouds. In the case of the jet contrail (condensation trail) in the first image, the condensing cloud formed where the aircraft passed through a rising plume of moist warm air. The air on either side of the plume was not sufficiently moist to support the formation of an enduring cloud. As a result the contrail only remained visible in the warm plume.”

brokentrails

Now study the pictures above. The one on the left was entitled “broken contrail”, the one on the right “broken chemtrail”. If you know anything about analyzing computer jpg files, you will discover the one on the right to be FAKED (even though a telephone wire appears to pass through the “gap” in the “trail”.

Interesting, isn’t it? The “broken contrail” is honest, the “broken chemtrail” fake… 

BUTT

Sniker, you don’t know the WHY so don’t tell me the HOW.

It’s a case of RELATIVE humidity and DEW POINT. HOT WATER VAPOUR, which is what “steam” is, can only MAKE UP the air’s humidity to its 100% RH level as it cools down. Beyond that it MUST form droplets of water or crystals of ice, depending on the air temperature.

In either case (troposphere or stratosphere) if the air doesn’t get to its 100% RH the water will evaporate or sublime into water vapour over a short period. Stratospheric air is MORE LIKELY to be saturated or supersaturated BECAUSE it is LAMINAR, whereas the troposphere is TURBULENT, being the BOUNDARY LAYER. Hence you sometimes get PERSISTENT TRAILS in the stratosphere.

Jets DO leave WATER contrails down below in humid 95%+ conditions where they occur (tropics mostly) but they are more difficult to see, and CT guys aren’t videoing there. There is a YT CT vid which clearly shows the APU (auxiliary power unit – all passenger planes have them) laying a faint trail (in Canada!), before it makes its stupid claim.

Clifford Carnicom forswore Science with his website. From his “USAF lies to America”, to his analysis (from the ground!) of a “chemtrail”, his site is a FARRAGO OF DECEIT. If you had ever made a study of LOGIC or ANALYSIS, you’d KNOW.

“just swipe your finger on random sufaces and hold up to sun and see the metal particals!” – You live in an INDUSTRIALIZED SOCIETY. You should expect CRAP in your air. Learn to spell. 

CAPS

Sorry to disappoint. Here goes:

“antagonistic to empire/super-state comprising pentagon/blah/nasa, why do you think population culling is off the table” – because while it may be possible to blow away a president, and even easy to blow away a nonentity, it becomes very much harder to blow away the vast majority. Wars are a mess, and the only quick and final war would be a nuclear spasm. Poisons and diseases are slow, and have poor coverage. Logistically they are impossible. Practically they don’t work because people can move! Angry people (the ones you’ve missed!) become ferocious opponents. Ask the Germans about the Poles. Talk to Americans about the Vietnamese. To Israeli Jews about Palestinians. The Kurds about Iraqis.

conspiracy_tot21

“why not read history as if you were not immune to it” – I have done. It’s the only way to develop an immunity.

“you are a pawn” – I may have been a pawn, but no longer. If necessary I shall simply sail away. If anyone interferes with me I shall interfere with them.

“the industrial age drawing to a close” – Give me strength! There is more industry now than there has ever been. Knowledge hasn’t drawn to a close. Ability hasn’t drawn to a close. Necessity is the mother of invention. Take a look at the Afghans. The Pacific Ring…   …China…

china

“new game in the offing” – Yeah, yeah. Robots blah blah. There’s a great lawnmower and a great vacuum cleaner. Get out the Gray Goo, let’s off the peeps. You haven’t a clue.

“much fewer pawns” – stop reading science fiction and take a look outside. Out, not up! Sorry about the missing caps.

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Don’t forget my other pages, links and comments are one click away at the top right of the page… 

91177info

91177info
The chemtrail petition has the necessary signatures to get a response from the government. 600 so far but if anyone would like a personal email detailing what our government is doing or is aware of please see the top link.
 

beachcomber2008
the report states that the BEST DISPERSAL HEIGHT IS 80,000 FEET.  Only U2s and X15s fly up there, and all they can carry is cameras and electronics.  That altitude is TWICE AS HIGH as the CEILINGS of modern aircraft and is IMPOSSIBLE TO REACH WITH ANY TYPE OF TANKER.  That’s why they conclude that SEEDING OCEAN CLOUDS and FEEDING IRON TO OCEAN CENTRES are the only routes immediately viable.  They haven’t done those either, unfortunately.  It makes RUBBISH out of your video post, doesn’t it? 

The ideal place for spraying is the stratopause, but no aircraft can reach that height.

91177info
Yes they do seed clouds. There are private companies that do as such and videos of companies cloud seeding on youtube.  I am very happy with my video as it has added to the pool of information which thousands of researches are finding out and adding to themselves.  Some information may be speculative, some may be far fetched but I believe I was the first to find these documents of the UK government actually suggesting adding chemicals to aviation fuel and making it available on youtube.
 

 
 
 
 
 

the temperature of our atmosphere

 

beachcomber2008
You are proposing something, on the other hand, which you REALLY know nothing about.  It therefore seems “reasonable” to you to behave the way you do.  Any scientist or engineer who reads what you write will shake their head.  Where were you when brains were handed out?  You can’t even find the relevant research materials, which are freely available on the net.  You also appear unable to read.  If DEFRA claims it would be difficult to do, then they haven’t done it.  You don’t appear to notice that. 

91177info
Yes I know I haven’t been able to give as much attention to the subject of chemtrails and find the necessary documents.  I was distracted by the swine flu last year and the so called deadly pandemic we were supposed to be in.  Which turned out to be a false alarm and a way for our governments to syphon off tax payers money.  They lied it was a false alarm.  This vid is 10 months old so maybe I should return to investigate chemtrails.  After the petition at 10 Downing St which ends in March.
 

beachcomber2008
Truly infantile. “Look, a plane is flying overhead and there are some rocks on the ground shaped like the letter C.  It’s a clue!  Proof for chemtrails!”.  You’ll never be taken seriously by anyone with critical faculties who can weigh evidence.  You’ll just continue to talk amongst your buddies with the same psychological disposition about your escapist fantasies and waste the time of your other friends, pestering us with the latest “proof” for your delusions. Yes, I actually read the document. 

91177info
You’re the one who is delusional.  In fact, looking through your comments for the last six months – You’re a total fruitcake. You are also a liar and I hate liars.  Now which document did you think you read?  hmm?
 

beachcomber2008
@91177info, Stephen Salter made a submission to this committee – this: 

You’ll find it on my channel and also at jazzroc. wordpress. com on my “Jet Spray” page because it’s a brilliant and cheap idea.  Yes, I actually read the document. many times, many places.  All this stuff is just the consideration of options, many of which are dead ducks.  You lack the nous to make any sensible discrimination whatsoever.  Scientific understanding, if you ever found it, might help you… 

91177info
There is no government legalisation and private companies can virtually spray what they want up there as it been reported on MSM.  So really you don’t have a clue what is being sprayed.  Of course you would say it is just water vapour.  You started your comment thread very defensive/protective and rude.  You think all is well and no damage is being caused to us or our earth, fine.  That’s your instinct.  Mine says something is not right and there are millions of other people who feel the same.
 

beachcomber2008
@91177info, I actually C&P’d someone else’s comment which exactly suited this.  I’m not talking about INSTINCT.  I’m talking about EXPERIENCE.  I KNOW there is nothing in the trails and I can PROVE there is nothing in the trails.  You can neither KNOW or PROVE anything.  Aviation fuel is made up to a recipe by the admixture of conditioners to a locally-made petroleum distillate, so it will be subtly different wherever the plane refuels.  But there’s only one type of jetfuel and it’s for ALL planes. 

TBA4Freedom
beachcomber2008, Obviously you didn’t read the entire 163 pages…I can tell by what you are saying. Pull it up again and READ it this time…..then come back and debate with us.
 

dbootsthediva
Isn’t it quite the coincidence that Mars has quite an abundance of sulphate.  Perhaps those tubes we have seen on Mars are them harvesting minerals.  Great video. 

maryjaneofthejungle
Chemtrails also (amongst other chemicals) contain barium. The EPA states dose factors under 2 parts per billion is safe from harm.  Rainwater collected after chemspraying has been found to have up to 6 parts per billion.  Jet fuel sometimes referred to as JP-5 or JP-8 is regulated by the Department of Commerce.  Good luck getting a hold of them.  When no1 gives us an answer or we’re completely ignored on a subject we can only believe its something we’d not take well.  Then again I’d ignore any scrambled answer they’d “come up with” at this point.  Two good reasons. Vitamin D kills the flu virus.  And the spray contains chemicals to help the viral envelope fuse with lung cells for easier infection. 

ramptondayrelease
Well done for blocking that muppet. Good info here. 

dickyco2
Contrails, Climate Changing Clouds of Combustion spewed by 8mile high Oil burning “Smogliners” whose exhaust products acts as the nucleus for the formation of ice crystals that are Contrails ,that persist spread to form Contrail-Cirrus a days heat trapping ( as clouds tend to do) thermal blanket of exhaust cloud.  This is Geo-engineering.  Contrails.  Climate Changing Clouds of Combustion.  FairyChemTales a Big Oil spray story to cloud the Environmental Disaster of Vast Oil Burning. 

UkTruthSeeker2009
Chemtrails day & night in UK the sun rarely shows and when it does they are back to cover it.  EVIL GOVERNMENTS. 

nrgstream
Help heal the planet, google ‘orgonite’. It’s a simple compound anyone can create in their backyard with fairly inexpensive, widely-available materials which balances ambient energy by turning the negative energy into positive energy, with many easily-confirmed effects. Orgonite does this continuously, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, without electricity. 

gtb393
Truely infantile. “Look, a plane is flying overhead and there are some rocks on the ground shaped like the letter C.  It’s a clue!  Proof for chemtrails!”.  You’ll never be taken seriously by anyone with critical faculties who can weigh evidence. You’ll just continue to talk amongst your buddies with the same psychological disposition about your escapist fantasies and waste the time of your other friends, pestering us with the latest “proof” for your delusions. Yes, I actually read the document. 

91177info
gtb393 ??? Joined April 24 2007 Channel Views 0 No Favourites No Uploads Comments 0 Channel Comments 0 Now I really do not need to ask what drew you to my vid do I??  All your appearance has done is reaffirm to the thousands of subscribers that:
A: There really is something going on.
B: You’re a SHILL.
C: You’re EVIL
D: You are not welcome here
E: You’re now on my BLOCKED list 

Wecknachricht
now we can go to every official government agencies and present the document and ask for explanation… 

starywron
Great find, mate.  thanks for share it with the rest of us here.  Jazzroc – where are you now, you old fool and lier? 

91177info
BocScar is either working for the CDC or Baxter. He has several accounts jazzroc and stars15k, he has been paid to do this. He/She is using an avatar which is used by the CDC and is listed in the pdf documents that Jane Burgermeister sent me. See my website link on my profile for more info.  There are other shills which have been paid to do this. But BocScar is classic and very persistent. You just have to read through the comments to see what I mean. Love to those that want it. Jason x 

boxa888
hey the weather up here has been weird so far, the whole month of june has been rain, i think its a new record here in this area lol. 

UkTruthSeeker2009
I have a few shills as well youtube is crawling with them trying to confuse chemtrails with contrails LOL There is no argument we’re not stupid I was looking for stuff today and googled reports in the UK AND FOUND ONE AT GLOBAL RESEARCH UK 

91177info
Try this site all the evidence is here in photos/maps and graphs.  asp bnl gov/  Just replace the space with an .  I will get back to this but the swindle flu is the main headlines lol 

BocScar
I never heard of jazzroc and stars15 is a 40 yr old woman.  You’ll need to work harder to pass the detectives exam. 

91177info
Now why on earth would you come back to this video and reply to a new comment thread which wasn’t in reply to one of yours?  I have been waiting for this test for 2 weeks and actually I have just passed my detective exam because you fell for my trap.  BocScar you are a shill, your icon is one used in Baxter International labs which can be seen in Jane Burgermeister’s file charges.  Goodbye. 

graverobber35
Well, dickhead, since you are from england, you HAVE to love moslems. they have taken over your bloody country. Yes, I like guns, that is one of our freedoms here in the US. And I do like women. That would obviously offend a faggot like you. blow it out your windpipe, abdul. 

91177info
Actually, what you say you like doing to women tells me it is actually YOU that has faggot tendencies!  Another moron that uses the same username throughout the web and his email address. You paranoid racist anal loving moron. 

91177info
I am very sorry to use the terminology that graverobber35 has used. They are not words I use and I only used them in context to what he was saying to me. 

graverobber35
Sorry , I lost my tin foil hat in the flood. 

91177info
You lost a lot more than that. Your nothing more than a muslim hating gun loving womanising thug.  This user said that: “mohammed was a child molester” on hardyk1’s channel.  By the way always make sure the barrel of your gun isn’t blocked, not being psychic or anything 😉
 
BocScar
Did you even bother to read the conclusion?  “It is clear from the assessment of geo-engineering options presented here that there are large uncertainties regarding the effectiveness, impacts, technical feasibility, cost and risks of all the schemes considered. As a consequence of these uncertainties, we feel that it is premature at this stage to draw firm conclusions on the feasibility of implementing the schemes discussed”.  They don’t even know if geoengineering is possible! 

91177info
Bother? I’m well bothered.  They are getting private companies to do this. They are? testing it out now! Trying different chemicals and mixtures. With out consulting or warning the public.  Why?  Because we are expendable and our lives and heath doesn’t matter.  It really makes me angry.  I mean really fucking angry. 

BocScar
Did you read the report’s conclusion? They say that they don’t know if geoengineering is even possible.  If they admit in the report that geoengineering might not even be possible, how can you use the report as proof that “chemtrails are real and I believe are happening now with out public consultation.” 

91177info
Because they are lying, thieving, murdering bastards. They killed over a million Iraqi civilians on this plagiarised dossier: Downing Street’s dossier against Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction is accused of plagiarism.  Channel Four News has learnt that the bulk of an intelligence dossier heralded by Colin Powell at the UN yesterday, was copied from three different articles – one written by a graduate student”.  BocScar, Do you really think they will tell us the truth after the above quotes? 

BocScar
 -Because they are lying, thieving, murdering bastards.- I’m talking of the DE & CC document referenced in the video.  On the one hand you accept this document when it speaks of stratospheric aerosols, but on the other hand you reject it when it states that geoengineering might not even be possible.  So is the DE&CC document true or a lie? 

91177info
What do you think I think? 

BocScar
I’m not sure what you think.  I’m not sure. You seem to agree with the parts of the DECC document that fit your preconceived notions, and disagree with the parts that don’t.  You use this government document to “prove” they are conducting geoengineering, but ignore the part where it says that geoengineering might not be possible.  I’m asking for clarification. 

91177info
Going back a couple of months, people like Stars15k, o0Nighthawk0o, Shilltastic and possibly you were stating there was no evidence of such programs and chemtrails were just water vapour. Nothing was and could be sprayed in the skies.  This is a government document which states such programs and is inviting private research companies to share their research and knowledge.  These programs are happening right now.  Stop moving the goal posts.  Chemtrails are real. 

BocScar
-These programs are happening right now.- So according to you the government is publicly inviting research companies and publishing feasibility studies on the Internet while at the same time secretly spraying the sky in full daylight, hoping nobody will notice.  The DECC document offers possible quick fix solutions to mitigate global warming and then it cautions that these solutions are dangerous and might not even be feasible. 

91177info
Private companies are spraying yes.  So at last you acknowledge chemtrails.  Thankyou. 

BocScar
What are private companies spraying in the air? 

91177info
You tell me.  You’re paid to do this “argumentum ad hominem” 

BocScar
You are the one that claims private companies are spraying.  I assume you know what you are talking about.  So please tell me, what private companies are spraying?  I really want to know. 

91177info
Hold on let me look in the yellow pages. 

BocScar
So, I take it you don’t know.  You claim private companies are conducting secret spraying operations but can’t even name one of them.  How can you conclude that private companies are involved?  On what are you basing your statement that private companies are involved? 

neptuneey
We live in a Corporate world, they’re all Private companies. Even you are a corporation. 

BocScar
What’s your point? 

neptuneey
Just looking for human qualities..  U failed. 

BocScar
This isn’t a philosophical discussion about human nature.  The guy made a concrete statement that private companies are spraying the air.  If he knows these companies are private then he must also know their names. 

91177info
If you could just stop beating your bishop for a moment and look at the reply I have sent you. 

BocScar
Stating that the scientific community is researching solutions to our environmental mess is not acknowledging “chemtrails”.  The word “chemtrail” implies covert programs to dumb down the population or block out the sun by deliberately using chemicals.  I do not acknowledge “chemtrails” and I’ve tried to point out that neither does the DECC document. 

91177info
Chemical Contrails then.  Spraying or releasing chemicals via aerosol or the exhaust of aircraft fuel.  They are doing exactly what it says on the tin.  It is interesting you say “dumb down”??  That is very telling BocScar.  I’ve been talking about Global Dimming. 

BocScar
I’ll ask you again.  What are private companies spraying in the air? 

91177info
Page 26 of the pdf states “if other parties, countries and institutions wished to develop a shared approach, DECC would be interested in sharing expertise, and in helping to develop an initial detailed scoping study”.  Google these: ukca ac uk – GLOMAP – SLIMCAT/TOMCAT – CiTTyCAT – EU Aerosol IP – AEROCOM emissions/validation – EUSAAR data 

BocScar
They are looking to partner with the private sector to “develop an initial scoping study”. initial… study…   How do you conclude from that statement that private companies are currently engaged in a global dimming campaign?  These are either feasibility studies, environmental studies and one of them only tries to set research protocols for data base sharing… but never mind…  Which one of those companies is currently engaged in a covert global dimming campaign? 

91177info
WOW BocScar how do “YOU” know about these sites and give an answer so quickly?  Can you do me a favour here?  Please swear on your families life, the generations of your family which are now in the spirit world and ALL the genetic strain of your family in the future that YOU, are not involved in any way with chemtrails, chemical contrails, the military, and the government. And you are just some regular youtube user.  So I BocScar swear (You fill in the rest here) 

BocScar
You told me about the sites…  so I looked at them.  These people can loosely be characterized as atmospheric researchers.  I swear I am not in the service of any government or any secret society to misinform anyone about anything nor am I involved directly or indirectly in perpetrating illegal covert chemical campaigns against the atmosphere or the population. LOL  Look… you make statements like “private companies are spraying”,  “chemtrails are real”.  I’m asking you to explain yourself because I don’t see it.  Every time one asks for some kind of evidence you guys point to publicly available government documents produced by the same government you claim is secretly conducting the spraying.  You claim the DECC document proves “chemtrails” but ignore its conclusion that geoengineering is not advisable and may not even be feasible. 

91177info
Thankyou for swearing BocScar.  All I know is what I see and what I have researched.  I am an artist by trade and I paint landscapes.  I love to draw clouds.  I am always looking at clouds ever since I was 4 years old and my mum pointed out a face in the cloud.  From then on I have always looked up at clouds and I have made faces out of what I see.  Back in February during a landscape photography assignment I became aware of the chemtrails, white lines. That is when the spraying started in my area.  I am a very aware person, I follow the seasons and live with nature.  I love sunsets and follow the moon.  I know where it will be rising with a given tree in my area.  I count the swallows that come and nest here and count the new brood that leaves.  I have a photographic memory and have over 200 art and photography books and know which picture is in which books.  I don’t like change.  BocScar, I know what contrails are.  The white lines now in the sky are not normal, they really aren’t right. 

BocScar
Without a doubt, increased contrail formation has an environmental impact.  I just challenge the notion that it is a covert government operation to block the sun or kill people.  Contrails are a consequence of air travel, just like smog is a consequence of car usage.  I’m just a regular guy and I have never seen any evidence of weather modification other than cloud seeding.  I don’t consider atmospheric research to be geoengineering nor do I consider persistent contrails to be “chemtrails”.  I’ve read the DECC document and it’s a preliminary assessment paper that concludes there are large uncertainties regarding the effectiveness, impacts, technical feasibility, cost and risks of geoengineering. 

dickyco2
BocScar.  Well said.  You must be aware these sad simple believers and their voodoo video Priests of Piffle havent the faintest idea of the Planet they are on or how it works.  But they do share a genuine concern for what they see outside above them.  And so they and you should.  A Jet exhaust made 6-8mile high layer of reflective day heat trapping cloud, Contrail-Cirrus, is a Climate Changing Cloud of Combustion.  A Global unintended Geo-engineering Environmental Disaster. 

91177info
Just google “Downing St dossier plagiarised”.  They lied, they have committed murder.  Something is NOT right here.  Me thinks they will do it again. 

WellSightedGentleman
me too, Bocscar, if hes not being paid by this industry, is totally mind wiped on all of these issues about weather modification, save your energy, Bocscar is insincere and just soapboxs for attention, good or bad.  He knows it’s real he spends everyday trying to talk “WITNESS'” down from what thy’ve seen. But he has no argument at all, he just flames through disjointed arguments, a waste of time dewd 

91177info
He was convincing, but easy to put right.  Thanks for that info. 

BocScar
-if hes not being paid by this industry, is totally mind wiped –  Once again the you demonstrate your ability to come to conclusions without facts.  The same logic leads you to believe “they” are secretly modifying the weather in full daylight and nobody but astute YouTube videographers are clever enough to notice. 

euro944t
Chemtrails are obvious to children now.  They have to say something now.  You rather them disclose it’s part of bio weapons and psych warfare Haarp EMF weapons?  Climate control is a cover story. Now run out and push this disinfo to your neighboors so they pay carbon taxes and believe Al Gore’s scam. 

dbootsthediva
Thank you for this very informative video.  Chemtrail particles are now beginning to be included in Science books and being taught in high schools.  Some Science books are referring to it as ‘PARTICLE AIR”.  See Centerpoint Learning Science 1  Essential Interactions Science Book Section 5:19 Solutions for Global Warming. Peace. 

Skywitness
Here’s and interesting patent: Powder contrail generation  United States Patent 3899144 abstract:  Light scattering pigment powder particles, surface treated to minimize inparticle cohesive forces, are dispensed from a jet mill deagglomerator as separate single particles to produce a powder contrail having maximum visibility or radiation scattering ability for a given weight material. 

BarbarianRebellion
Of coarse you realize that these are the same quacks who are intentionally poisoniong our children with vaccines and makeing males of every species sterile with plastics. And now we are letting them tinker with the only planet we have! 

stuanemma
It actually reads that like they are already doing this and are wondering whether or not doing it on Global level will work… 

1995firefly4dr
don’t want to be the ‘bad guy’ here, but all this document is saying what they have ‘researched’ to be possible solutions to their made-up crisis. It’s certainly no proof of them admitting they are doing the chemtrails currently. 

lithcowtown
very well put together congrads. Geoff 

sorrowfulsun
Excellent work. Thank you! 

WellSightedGentleman
great research!  yep obama announced in jan or feb this year that they may ‘have-to’ fill the sky with aluminium particles to deflect the sun.  theyve backed off here for four days now (touch-wood) after several weeks of constant disbursal.  I am curious as to why they have been so busy over populated areas, a bit sus in light of the foreseen risk to public health. 

BocScar
-after several weeks of constant disbursal.- Disbursal?  I someone handing out money?  What exactly do you believe they are dispersing? 

91177info
Anything they want, under the guise of global warming.  Modern medicine is all about nano particles and aerosol dispersion. 

BocScar
Modern medicine is the only reason we are not being killed by Smallpox like the 500 million that died from it in the 20th century. Nutrition and modern medicine is why our lifespans have doubled.  If “they” have a plan to kill us then better food and medicines are a very strange way to go about it. 

20OnELoVe12
GMO is not a better form of food.. Have you ever watched the commericals for medicine. HA I would rather have whatever it is then all the side effects. Also almost all of them say on rare occasion death may occure. The meds for depression, & ADD, MAKE you a zombie/ makes you want to kill your self or someone else.  AND they have cures for many things that DON’T involve MMM BUT they would rather keep taking the money. BTW Check out Denver international airport Video, and the stonehenge one also. 

BocScar
Ya right! You would rather have the disease then suffer possible side affects of the medication. Tell yourself that the next time you need Penicillin or if you ever get cancer. 

91177info
Very interesting avatar BocScar, can I ask where you got it from? 

BocScar
Google images. I think I typed the keyword “symbols”. I’ve always found the image geometrically interesting. 

20OnELoVe12
Penicillin is a natural antibiotic.  Another things I also stated was that they have cures USING natural things to cure such diseases or illness.. They to have the CURE for cancer and diabates…I CAN’T SPELL sue me if anything is wrong.. LOL.. For things such as RLS, Sleeping or non sleeping issues or if my minds run in circles do to ADD.  NO I WILL not take what they have made.  They have moved AWAY from the things nature gives us & that is scary. 

BocScar
If Penicillin is a natural derivative or not is irrelevant to my comment. You said you would prefer to suffer the disease than possible side affects from the treatment.  Good for you.  I don’t care if you can’t spell or express yourself any more than I care if you refuse to take prescribed medication. 

20OnELoVe12
I will take medicine if it is Natural that is what I’m saying.. if you don’t care why did you come back an waste time typing.  Anyways,,, CHEMtrails are real… Good luck with seeing that.. Peace to you 

BocScar
Bla bla bla… If you ever get cancer, you will take anything that will save your life, whether it’s “natural” or not. 

20OnELoVe12
All this time and you come back BLA BLA BLA you don’t know me.. If I ever develop cancer.. I WILL FIGHT each and every doctor and/or Organization for the REAL cure that they have hidden from Humanity… TRUST THAT… Cancer HAS A CURE… 

thetruthergirls
Weed oil, laetrile (B17), MMS, lots of things. 

ExquisiteDoom
Without inflamations, you CAN’T? get cancer. Thought you’d like to know. 

91177info
If the earth is allowed to do its natural thing. Extra sun and heat/radiation will evaporate MORE water from the oceans, so creating more natural cloud cover, then natural rain. They don’t want that, they only want death to tell you the truth.  They are not in harmony with the earth just their ego sociopathic conversations at the dinner table. 

WellSightedGentleman
someones getting money to fly around in no particular route to disburse particulated dust that effect the weather. To ‘disburse’ means to ‘spread out” it isnt a term money specific.  What they are disbursing is currently under investigation and double blind back testing is now being performed in several reputable universities to determine exactly whats in the air in the disbursal areas.  I told u b4 Its not an issue of belief why do you debunkers always fall back on the same emotive arguments? 

BocScar
-double blind back testing is now being performed in several reputable universities – Links please.  I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that nowhere in any of these studies will they mention “chemtrails” or “secret government dimming operations”.  These are probably typical environmental studies but you guys use them as evidence that someone is looking into your paranoid claims. 

BocScar
You know for a fact that they are spraying but you don’t know what they are spraying.  OK.  Let’s start with this: How do you know they are deliberately spraying chemicals? 

silkcat51
What gets me when I point out/complain about this to others is that they tell me–there couldn’t possibly be a deliberate poisoning agenda, because they would be poisoning their own children/families.  Don’t know what to say back. 

bushdidit2u911
great research! there are similar documents” not as specific” on the CFR website under the title”geo-engineering” where obamas team had recently updated the site to include planetary engineering techniques! but this blows that away!  awesome work!  is there a link to the original document!  would love to see and spread to all!!!! 

stuanemma
In the description… 

danielvincentkelley
You know what might shut down this operation?  A pilots strike.  Anytime you board an aircraft or are within air shot of an airliner pilot, you should educate them about chemtrails being aluminum and pathogens and neither being healthy for people. If enough pilots knew that they were killing their own sons and daughters with their flying spraying aluminum, maybe they’d strike. Airport protests also sounds like a good idea. 

jbreezes
I just heard the second person from NC who is a patriot claim contrails ALWAYS looked the way chemtrails do.  Shows how successfully the media (with the subliminals and chemtrail backgrounds) have conditioned people to believe it’s always been like this and is normal.  The f*ckin media suceeded.  Check out ironhorse’s vid on clipser. Arrgh 

danielvincentkelley
Patriot?  More likely traitor and on the pay roll of the disinformational establishment.  I stopped a random state senator on the street outside the statehouse and asked if he noticed the chemtrails pointing at the sky.  He asked me why they’re spraying.  I told him the global warming excuse AND that it’s aluminum and pathogens and more likely REALLY to murder people.  He seemed genuinely interested and mildly aware, like he had noticed.  People pretending they don’t see it are most likely traitors. 

WellSightedGentleman
the real downside being that the generation “y” who are present in abundance online, havnt experienced alot of unmanipulated weather in their life.  Born after 85′ and these young adults have nothing to rate the appearance of the sky against.  Therefore theyre quite unconcerned with ‘them’ making clouds… easily fooled by the bogus ‘disinf’ websites that abound online.  theyve been blinded.  our hope is with the older generations who can remember. 

philwarinsky
This is the format of a decent video – loaded with information.  Thankyou. 

gangstagrannie
Yes, they do appear to spray more at night. Hands up who’s noticed the thick fog we often get overnight in the season they call ‘summer’? 

Diatonic135
dude, since february this year i’ve been seeing them.  it’s warm where i live plus i camp a lot, so since february i’ve seen an incremental increase in chemtrailing. 

GODLOVESUSSOMUCH
Hey my dear and intelligent friends! I truly hope that none of you are fooled by their attempts to say they are trying to prevent climate change and its quickening pace! Mankind may be 1% at fault, but It’s not us alone AT ALL, causing the Globe to warm, its Solar Cycles, over 30000 scientists have proven this and know it, as millions of others do! The elite know they can’t reverse it, they? know many prophetic events will occur before Global Warming’s effects even reach a height! God Bless all! 

gangstagrannie
Yes GODLOVESUSSOMUCH, you are right. ALL of the planets are warming – even the uninhabited ones – which proves without doubt that this is a ‘natural’ occurrance.  Don’t people ever think back to their school days?  THEY taught us that climate change has occurred in the past and that mankind survived it – even without paying carbon tax!  LOL to the carbon tax!  Thanks for continuing this truthful point, that any sane person can and will see, sadly many intelligent people hold on to what some corrupted or misinformed scientists, have stated as true science, when its not! Keep spreading the good truth bro, even that which is not sugar coated, just as God did not sugar coat the times we are in & nearing. There are troubles ahead, yet an eternally happy ending for those that seek the path of love & truth found in Christ!  God Bless! 

danielvincentkelley
First Chemtrails is no solution for global warming. Global warming is about done anyhow. We’re running out of oil to pollute the skys with and the north pole already melted into the oceans which has a chilling effect that has been studied and shown to cause ICE AGE in an average 3 years. Ice Age is the new problem. 2nd, it’s not about whether people will survive, of course we will. But its a matter of what living conditions we’ll experience and it’s not looking good at all. 

91177info
Very true I made a video about this 2 weeks ago. There are so many different reasons for why the spraying is happening and over night they could decide to spray something totally different. People are getting used to seeing white lines in the sky so if they decided to suddenly spray Agent US or Brucella people wouldn’t even know or question, they would say “That plane is low today” As the elite are safely underground. 

GODLOVESUSSOMUCH
Yooo MR 77info! That’s the truth of this sick matter right there, they don’t care and even though they are not at all ashamed of their evil agenda, they definitely do much more spraying at night, to secure that their plans will not be headed or stopped like history has shown their plans to be, and they will again…They don’t learn, at least that which is important! Also so true how they try to make these trails seem so casual, putting them in tv media advertisements, even games and movies! =) 

A PAGE FROM YOUTUBE

CHEMTRAIL VIDEO COMMENTS 

wow, the american media has hit a new low. no wonder there are so many stupid people who believe in chem trails, with the american population trusting everything the media throws in front of them it is no wonder that people believe in chem trails.
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chemtrails 

Chemtrails are well documented tainted airplane exhaust comtrails saturating and obliterating our skies with deadly toxins. Soda pop is an out dated term for carbonated sugar water. Why are there so many hateful naysayers trying to obscure discussion and critical research into these matters? Hmmm…
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No, why are you SO STUPID as to believe that:
1. Contrails CAN’T be persistent.
2. Their contents can be collected by trays on the ground, and NOTHING else will get in the trays.
3. That the US can AFFORD to cover the Earth in Barium, Aluminum, Silver.
4. That it is POISONING you (yet NO-ONE has died).
5. That passenger planes CAN be fitted with poison sprays, yet no-one DIES, “FINGERS”, GETS INFECTED.
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gourmet-soda-pop 

“Chemtrails” ARE SODA POP. Put them through a carbon filter for sure, and each mile of “chemtrail” will get you a crate of soda pop.
The stratosphere is stable and layered like an onion with layers of differing humidities. A “saturated” layer will NOT reabsorb the trail, which will slowly fall and form stratus or cirrus cloud. That is what you see…
Want some soda pop? I’m nuts for soda pop! Are you?
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Yo Jazzroc–when they do go live with the mass extermination and you’re dying from Ebola, enjoy that soda (you probably like the stuff that has Aspartame in it). Meanwhile, a global network of responsible citizens is forming to confront this menace.
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“Responsible citizens” are people who THINK before they ACT. In your case, you’ve a job ahead of you – to LEARN to THINK. I’d rather that people like you were supporting the NWO – you’d mess them right up!
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1) We need an comprehensive global ban on these practices. 

2) There needs to be an international inspection regime over all aircraft worldwide with criminal penalties for the existence of aerosol dispersal devices. 

3) National security exclusions to FOIA requests need to be abrogated and immediate worldwide disclosure of these practices documented. 

Document redaction should be criminalized.
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Jolly good. Best use the UN for this. Haha. But apparently (so the scuttlebutt goes!) the UN is PART of the conspiracy to, er, depopulate… 

Best draw up a World Citizens’ Army then. Then fly about from airport to airport enforcing… 

Those that don’t can get their videocams out and film you “spraying” as you go, and SHOOT you when you land… 

firing_squad1 

ALTN2

‘You’re quoting a research report.’ 

Correct. From 1992. Spraying operations began by most people’s accounts, in late 1998. 

Keep in mind, this report was authorized by Congress and sponsored by the National Academy of Sciences. This report concludes that this technique of aerial spraying is the most cost effective and efficient method (of the varius options mentioned) for increasing planetary albedo in response to a “global warming” scenario. 

Senior researchers, faculty, theoreticians, atmospheric scientists, department heads and CEO’s from a multitude of prestigious institutions took part in this report. 

The Smithsonian, Harvard, General Motors, Cambridge, MIT, Yale, World Resources Institute, National Center for Atmospheric Research, the Secretary General of the United Nations, Oxford, Brookings Institution, Columbia University, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Carnegie-Mellon University, Princeton University, Brown University, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, and there’s more, if you look. 

‘It’s the title, isn’t it? Filming a harmless event with the false implication of harm can cause needless distress and foment discord, even if you believe you’re saving the world…’ 

I’d like you to start a journey of discovery, that is, if you are willing. Since we agree that even if it’s water up there, and nothing harmful at all… you will now begin to see the darker side of the science of geoengineering. 

Google this US patent: US5003186 

Notice the patent holder? Hughes Aircraft (now Raytheon) is one of the US’s largest defense contractors in the area of Aerospace. 

Read what’s in the mix, my friend… 

‘2. The method of claim wherein said material comprises one or more of the oxides of metals.’ 

‘…aluminum oxide’
‘…thorium oxide’
‘…Welsbach materials’
 

You read up on Welsbach materials. That’s your homework assignment.  

ALTN3

A method is disclosed for reducing atmospheric warming due to the greenhouse effect resulting from a greenhouse gases layer. The method comprises the step of seeding the greenhouse gas layer with a quantity of tiny particles of materials characterized by wavelength-dependent emissivity or reflectivity, in that said materials have high emissivities in the visible and far infrared wavelength regions and low emissivity in the near infrared wavelength region. Such materials can include the class of materials known as Welsbach materials. The oxides of metal, e.g., aluminum oxide, are also suitable for the purpose. The greenhouse gases layer typically extends between about seven and thirteen kilometers above the earth’s surface. The seeding of the stratosphere occurs within this layer. The particles suspended in the stratosphere as a result of the seeding provide a mechanism for converting the blackbody radiation emitted by the earth at near infrared wavelengths into radiation in the visible and far infrared wavelength so that this heat energy may be reradiated out into space, thereby reducing the global warming due to the greenhouse effect. 

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5
,003,186.PN.&OS=PN/5,003,186&RS=PN/5,003,nh-P186
 

Very interesting. I have a few questions: 

Do commercial turbofan engine injectors safely pass these refractory solids between 10 and 100 microns? 

How do filamentary materials figure in all this? 

Or biological materials? 

You realise that a single “coating” (1 particle/sq.cm) for the US weighs 170,000 tonnes? and you’d have to renew it? 

Well, 170,000 tonnes is within any major paint manfr’s brief I suppose. But DELIVERY would be HARD. 

And treating the globe would be outside our capabilities.  

ALUMINUM/BARIUM

The Aluminum-Barium argument is rendered obsolete by the YouTube clip below 

 

Why squander fuel, occlude your skies, and poison your population, when this CHEAPER AND MORE PRACTICAL operation can be carried out in the South Atlantic and Pacific? 

The clip is one of FIVE WAYS TO COOL THE EARTH – a googlevid. 

The price of space mirrors and artificial trees is FAR too high, rocketed sulfur FAR too risky, only this idea and ocean phytoplankton feeding make sound practical and economic sense, can be begun TODAY, and carried out in WEEKS. 

Co-opting living creatures is a million times MORE EFFECTIVE than employing technology. 

  

ANDERS

I DON’T believe what any government says, ever. If it said “It’s a fine day”, I’d run out and check BOTH front AND back. And THEN I’d REMAIN NERVOUS 

What SO pisses me off is that FAR TOO FEW PEOPLE think PROPERLY 

Do you realise HOW WEAK a people is when it doesn’t have sufficient scientific understanding? When it CANNOT follow a LOGICAL train of thought? 

When it lacks the basic life-skills to SURVIVE technological collapse? 

CT supporters are HARDENED in their weakness. They FEAR science, which is in truth their ONLY salvation. They don’t know how to farm, make clothes, make things, make provisions – they barely know how to cook. If the NWO WERE to “depopulate” them, they’d murder each other at the doors of empty supermarkets 

There are MANY ironies. Earlier govt attempts to protect people from germ warfare are NOW construed as “practice” attempts at depopulation. 

SMALL experiments of geo-engineering are NOW considered PROOF of of govt attempts to reduce immunity. The list goes on and on…. 

If there is to be a conflagration (and 2012 seems about right to me!) then I REALLY DON’T WANT TO BE INVOLVED. I DO NOT WANT TO BE KILLED IN SOME GADARENE STAMPEDE! 

Maybe human “civilisations” CANNOT LAST. It is ANOTHER IRONY, it seems to me, that once we lived in continual fear of NUCLEAR SPASM (THE BANG!) and now it seems it’s going to be SOCIO-ECONOMIC COLLAPSE (THE WHIMPER!) brought about, in part, by the CHEMTRAIL PARANOIA. The rest, and greater part, of course, seems to be the moral collapse of the US govt. 

EVERY PILLAR of the “chemtrail” hypothesis proves on examination to be UTTERLY FALSE. It is based on BAD SCIENCE and LOOSE ASSOCIATION. It is a complete and utter CHIMAERA – a tragic waste of time – only distinguishable from WARFARE by its LACK OF DEATHS. 

But it has PLENTY OF VICTIMS, and PLENTY MORE TO COME… 

Jesus casting out the Gadarene Swine

Jesus casting out the Gadarene Swine

DISCOVERY?

beachcomber2008


@tgambill
“911-martial-fourth planned coup-1934-1963-1972-Executive O 11647-11731-1973-Failed-passed -Trilateral Com-1974-Obama-three weeks”
Great stuff.  Means bugger-all when “chemtrails” turn out to be plain old contrails and you turn out to be bottom of your class in atmospheric physics.  How long have you spent in this totally useless activity?  Just think how much of your life you would save if you went to school.  Just think of the good things you could have been doing instead.

irojioqopiewjr

Sure it just so happens.  Why should I believe you when all you do is spread hatred.  Only you will be on here 24/7 next week and thereafter unless you change your account name again. The vulgar way you speak to others in these chat rooms I hope I never have to see you in the hospital or call your hotline

fricktionvixen


I spend a total of 2 hours a day ridiculing those who continue sick fear mongering practices. It’s just so happened that I have a week off from work. How about you?  I am employed, I work 2 jobs to support my family.
1. I am an Emergency 911 operator and
2. Bio/chemical technician.

tgambill

Those with the alleged IQ are being very stupid about this time unless they wake up before the next 911, martial law, a fourth planned military coup.  Three planned military coups were attempted in our history as evidenced by congressional investigation in 1934, one in 1960 -1963 and that scum named Nixon planned one from 1969 to 1972, as evidenced by Executive Order 11647 and 11731 in 1972 to 1973.  Failed but passed on to the Trilateral Commission in 1974. Obama completed this plan three weeks ago.
Science is made up by the money and control by the Masons, CFR, and Rockefeller foundation money. Try again with your fantasies. History is proven to be fabricated, science goes out to the Agenda set by the emerging world order. 300 microbiologists were murdered around the year 2000 to 2002….the names are available.  You best wake up before our next civil war and martial law does.
@frick….I spend no hours, I know they are real. Factual Documented Scientific information….lol….:)) Oh, like the age of the universe, or the we now came from fish or better yet, Global warming?  Please, I’ll read Wizard of Oz another Illuminati production for fun. 🙂

irojioqopiewjr

How many hours in a day do you spend ridiculing others and spreading your lies?  24/7.  You’re on all the pages doing the same thing.  Gosh you sure do spend a lot of time 24/7 on pages that you know are just hoopla.  You must be part of the 22% of unemployed Americans.  You’ve got too much time on your hands or your getting paid by Cass Sunstein and his COINTELPRO agency.
Expanding chemtrails can be seen daily now in my town. This is not even physically possible but it happens daily. Look up!

fricktionvixen

lol great comment moneymail002.  ‘your overlords’ – My overlords are your overlords according to your belief system.  If such overlords exist they’re in power and you are just a simple taxpayer just like the rest of us.  lol  So why would you think you’ve gained freedom from them?  How many hours in a day do you spend convincing yourself that chemtrails are real?  I wish you spent and equal number of hours reading factual documented scientific information and used some constructive critical thinking as well.  Perhaps you would discover that the world isn’t such a scary place after all.

moneymail002

Why do people sit there and say their government IS doing this or that?  All of your “proof” is based on unproven assumptions and has no validity whatsoever; it originates in this RELIGION that says the government and scientists are some sort of entirely separate social tier concerned mainly with the destruction of the rest of society.  Yet for some reason you seem shocked when people with an IQ and an understanding of science above those of the average monkey refuse to believe your crap.

fricktionvixen

cointelpro?  Goodness, did it ever cross your mind that perhaps these people who are commenting in regards to the propaganda TrutherD1 is spreading, are simply stating hard scientific facts to disperse the multitude of crap built up around stupid conspiracy theories?

tgambill

The conspiracy is true.  The crap is made up of those lying about a conspiracy theory…there is no theory.  It is fact.  Most all of the events today and in the past are part of this unified conspiracy.  The evidence is irrefutable.  If you want I can send you the references, thumbnail list, of 8 pages and a chronology that is supported by scholarily research that covers over 140 pages+ a summary. bring it on.

beachcomber2008

@tgambill
I know your “list”.  It is pseudoscience.  Your “evidence” isn’t refutable because it isn’t evidence.  8 pages of pseudoscience only has value as COMPOST.  ALL your miserable “work” has been through contrailscience. com and jazzroc. wordpress, com and been torn to shreds.  Such shreds are plant food.  Are you a plant?  Do you photosynthesize?  You certainly don’t THINK.

tgambill

lol….you types are all alike.  You actually think that your useless diatribe is effective.  There isn’t a history or economic professor that could refute the truth.  They can lie, and then go to the CFR bank as they are prostitutes for the eiltes like Ayn Rand was.  You just might have a point.  Its easier for you people to lie and deny since you apparently have no soul.  The truth however won’t be denied in due time.  There is nothing you can do about that.
Oh, your overlords are getting ready to pull something. They just don’t know that they are signing their own death warrant.

beachcomber2008

@tgambill
Yeah.  It’s been tough here in Tenerife.  My God, man, it RAINED here last night!  I had to pick my way round the puddles as I walked down the town with my dear little dog to buy some bread and ham for my breakfast.  Then when I returned to my desk I discovered I was in “communication” (apparently) with a blind and stupid egocentric arsehole blowing out compost, and believing it to be “truth”.  SCIENCE refutes your miserable and pathetic lies with ease.  “History” “Economics”? LOL

fricktionvixen

Well said beachcomber2008.

barubba

YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS: ULTIMATE PROOF OF CHEMTRAIL SPRAYING!  watch?v=MRUqogeAgHo  watch?v=VLA0yejkeYM  watch?v=qSDkdOpjiSc&feature=re lated

TheOcturian1111

NASA = Admit Zero!  We are not idiots, we are a collective, we are oneness, we are 11:11 we are awakened giants.

eruditemaestro1

@beachcomber2008
Thank you so much for the compliments!  I appreciate your acknowledgement of my informative channel.  By all means, you are welcome to view my channel at any time.  Bye bye for now JAZZ(BANNED)ROC.

Derfglouglou

ffs… Nut cases from A to Z…

Razr89A

Why do people sit there and say their government isn’t doing this or that, instead of actively questioning said government?  Why defend something you have no idea about..

beachcomber2008

@Razr89A
Why propose something of which you are completely ignorant?  You do.  The reflection of this ignorance is the ignorance you so foolishly project upon others.  It is confirmed by the lies you have already accepted.  And the consequences of which, which you haven’t,  because you certainly lack the means to foresee them.  The bill for this life course direction will be paid in full by you – one day.

tgambill

@truther..those that are going after you are more than likely cointelpro. Alex Jones gets his stuff from them and in fact works for the elites as does Ron Paul (Mason) and Naomi Wolf.  They are the ones pretending to be on our side but work different roles for the globalist.

TrutherD1

@tgambill, Thanks for the heads-up – I know you’re right. For the last few months the same guys have been responding with aggression and ridicule even of legitimate and recognized science.  It quickly became obvious their whole mission here is to parrot the govt. story and ridicule and distract good people seeking honest answers.

tgambill

Now, link the chemicals with mind control, ELF and GWEN Towers, and HAARP.  This should really get your interest peaked when “DISCLOSURE” and “Day of Declaration” comes in July, with the Benjamin Creme and this weirdo named Maitreya. They work together.  The chemtrails have Barium Oxide, Aluminum Oxide (rainbow colors) and Barium Chloride on occasion.  The purpose is to destroy the immune system and in fact the chemicals have killed off the bee population.  The bees account for 80% of the natural food supply.  This will aid in the food genocide later to support Kissinger’ NSSM 200 Depopulation Plan to reduce the worlds population.  In heavy spraying causes seizures, Pre-mature births, lung problems, etc…it is a conspiracy, fact.

firstwave2

show yourself shill’

TrutherD1

@beachcomber2008, Yeah they send weather balloons once, twice a day, sometimes hourly.  If conditions say no contrails ’til 10km and you see a low-level trail it would make sense to become suspicious.

beachcomber2008

All the fraudulent Rosalind’s questions have normal scientific answers.  Patrick Minnis is the foremost expert on satellite atmospheric studies.  Particulates made of ICE CANNOT BE POLLUTION.  Viruses, fungi and bacteria, are brought down by the water in the atmosphere.  William Thomas doesn’t seem to notice that complaints come from cities, which ARE places you DO get viruses, fungi and bacteria.  A bollocks programme, and a bollocks post…

TrutherD1

@beachcomber2008, Do you work for the government?  What’s the harm in investigating?

beachcomber2008

@TrutherD1
investigating something for which there is already an accurate and cogent explanation is a waste of time which would have been better spent investigating something worthwhile.  You and the fraudulent bitch above are worse than useless – YOU are just about as harmful as you can get without actually “chemtrailing” yourself.  Do I make myself clear, DUMMY?

ar5281ar

heavy chemtrails again today! DAILY when i can see the blue skies!

lipoicacid

Research ”ENMOD” treaty at the U.N. site, State department website and read ”Between Two Ages”.  The water supply is ”poisoned” and so now is the food supply genetically modified.  This was done decades before without approval by ”representatives”.

TrutherD1

Discovery basically avoids the real issue. Just search for “chemtrails” and check any other result than this one. LOL

AgentHuggyBear

Powerful stuff!, great video mate!.  Check out peyote the band on my space.  The track “Don’t Waste Any Time” mentions this stuff.  Nice to hear this message making it into the mainstream!

sedg1

@brad213 – they are creating ‘ climate change’ to unite the world into a one world government, and to acheive the ‘mother earth ‘cults agenda.

lipoicacid

I always leave room for doubt…  but I will you are right on because I have some of the evidence.

brad213

We all breathe the same air.  What would anyone benefit from poisoning the oxygen within our atmosphere.  Wouldnt it be easier to poison our water supplies?

ar5281ar

scaremenga, you really are brillant aren’t u?  have you checked out the unemployment rate lately?  god, there’s SO MUCH work out there isn’t there!  LMAO!  p.s. the perfect slave believes he’s free, u are a perfect slave!  chemtrails daily when i can see the blue skies!

barubba

YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS: ULTIMATE PROOF OF CHEMTRAIL SPRAYING!  watch?v=MRUqogeAgHo  watch?v=VLA0yejkeYM

finodigrassio

chemtrails are there to prohibit ufos from entering our atmosphere. research the magnetic and energetic properties of chemtrails and probable
ufo propulsion systems

socaljay45001

can you tell me more about this?

MrBlueSky36863

Here’s an interview with a guy who used to be on the inside of the chemtrails project, aka clover leaf?  Give it a listen, make up your own mind.  it won’t let me post this thing for some reason, so I’ll try it without the URL, instead just put the following into the youtube search browser.  Ex government employee talks about chemtrails

mrfatandslow

i really dont know what to say. you need to slow down and think about what your saying!

Skywitness

Chemtrail spraying is boldly being done right over unprotected civilian populations, such as what is happening in the following video: v=uRoNDxAWQo4

scaremenga

Again with the go back to sleep?  Isn’t the job of “Truthers” to wake those who are asleep up?  LOL.  Yeah, I should be asking that question.  Why would they want to kill us slowly?  So they can have more work to do?  it would be easier to enslave us all, especially if they are as advanced as you people say they are.  How do you know how much they plan to eliminate? Did they publish a “NWO Manifesto” somewhere?

ar5281ar

WOW is right!  CONtrails daily when i can see the blue skies! scaremenga and mrfatandslow PLEASE go back to sleep or just get a good copy of the 911 commission report, should keep you sheeple busy for YEARS!

MsSmileyA

WOW to all u idiots who really beleive that our government is trying to take care of you=== UR A BUNCH OF IDIOTS!  It’s because of ignorant people like you that these things are going on.  Use COMMON SENSE!  Look in the sky.  When would normal planes blow out THICK FLUFFY clouds of smoke that hang in the air for hours up to a full day?  THEY DONT!  &if you’ve ever seen these planes – they will blow out the chemicals and stop.  If this was normal engine ejections they would continue the whole flight!

mrfatandslow

whats it like to live a life of such deep paranoid thoughts that you believe the goverment wants to kill you?  enjoy your fantasy world!

QuietRiot91

@scaremenga
“Why would the “NWO” want to destroy the population.”  Are you sure you should really be asking that question?  That is in fact one of their “goals” if you will.  They plan to eliminate about 90% of the worlds population.

KrazedKitten

scaremenga a lot of it has to do with weather manipulation and radar obscuration.  Unfortunately, what they’re using to do this is not healthy for us to be breathing.

golfisgreat123

no your a stuped fucking bastard when a jet engine burns its fuel you get vapor that comes out the back which is harmless water freezing

jrnesbit

problem with opinions is some of them have no base or real concrete evidence, and a lot of opinions are formed by subjective, emotional thinking instead of logical thought.  So most of these things you call opinions are instead theories or speculations.  I just saw yesterday for the first time in my life about 30 “trails” in the sky in my area.  I have a couple ideas of what they are, but I have not encountered enough evidence either way to sway me into a conspiracy opinionist.

ar5281ar

scaremenga please go back to sleep, awesome vid KarakulBrigand!  watch STESSO AEREO, SCIE DIVERSE!  4 trails only 2 persist!  awesome catch!  i see someone doesn’t like this one, they spammed u! lol! ANOTHER day with chemtrails here in s.e.wisconsin today, daily when i can see the blue skies!  just gotta observe daily and not believe WORDS that are fed to you! ps. polarized sunglasses are a priceless tool!
 
scaremenga

LOL. I thought the mission of people like you were to wake up these “sheeple” and here you are telling me to go back to sleep, into my world of “fantasies”.  I’d rather die in me sleep, metaphorically speaking, than die wide awake.  That’s just me.  ROFL.  Don’t call me an ignorant loser either.  I used to believe in chemtrails too, but evidence I found on a variety of unbiased websites, like the one with the largest datebase of aircraft photos, has obviously reversed my views.  couldn’t help this, but aren’t you guys feeding me words right now?  In the form of videos and flame comments?  You’re no better than the people you’re “fighting against”!

KarakulBrigand

Watch this vid: STESSO AEREO, SCIE DIVERSE! same plane, different trails!  Four trails two persist two do not.

brownsugar15068

set up because they know once they scare everybodi into getin the swine flu shot there are gonna be plenty of deaths oh and guess what isnt that what they want to depopulate the planet so there will be less people to control in the new world order do research because im not making any of this up to scare anyone its all fact there are tons of videos on youtube that that prove me right thanks for the complement also an f ur taught to keep an open mind then open ur mind to some research

scaremenga

I did do some research.  I was also taught that just because someone has an opposing viewpoint, doesn’t mean they are wrong.  Everyone’s entitled to their opinions, just as you are.  Were you taught that in school?  There’s tons of videos that prove me right too.  Why would the “NWO” want to destroy the population.  Who wants to rule a crippled population?  Even if they dominate the world, then they’ll have billions of sick *frankly* losers under their whips. How fun.

brownsugar15068

yes I have no clue wat a grid system or sumthin is maby I should look it up but if our govornment loves us so much why do they have fema camps set up all over the usa why do they have concrete cofins ur an idiot and yes they do because they dont want us riseing against the new world order there tryna creat okay in high school they teach you to obey obey obey and college is just more enslavement for the people why do people go to college get out an work at walmart if thats the case then you dont need to go to college u brainwashed dummy they also tryna kill us with there swine flu shoots why do we need mercury and swaline in out bodies cuz they tryna kill us and these are some of the ingr
 
scaremenga

I’m not brainwashed to obey; the exact opposite in fact.  All of my teachers, especially my AP Euro teacher, encourages us to maintain an open mind.  He links Europe’s sour past with ignorance and obedience.  And if there’s anybody against total obedience, it would be me.  Did I ever judge you personally?  No.  So there’s no purpose to call me an idiot.  If swine flu shots are so bad, don’t get them.  You’re not forced to.  Instead of accusing, maybe you should research the grid system. contrails

jnoort

I am sorry I pissed you off.  What does the space preservation act actually say about chemtrails?  Contrails can be persistent, if the humidity of the surrounding air is high.  It’s not rocket science.  If the air is dry, the contrails will sublimate quickly, turning the ice crystals into water vapour.  If the air is humid, the surrounding air can’t hold more water than it already does, and the contrail is persistent.

brownsugar15068

Umm I dont have to sit in front of a computer to view chemtrails I can walk out side ansee them all over the sky like some one is spraying chemicals in an orderly fashion so to your answer ur question you are the dumb one

scaremenga

I’m the dumb one for saying that the government doesn’t want dumb people?  Which they don’t?  Why are contrails showing up in an orderly fashions?  Why don’t you Google the flight grid for your local area, you’ll notice that it’s comprised of lines following “orderly fashion[s]”, it keeps air traffic in a structured matter.  Better yet, why don’t you get the tail numbers of these sprayers?  And then track them online?  Maybe you’ll be able to see they aren’t government-sprayers, and just innocent pax.