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Supersaturation

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SUPERSATURATION – SVETLANA – TABLE – TEMPORARY CLOUD – TEST – THANKYOU – TRUE/FALSE – TRUTHTRUSTLOVE – UK ADMITTED – UNMARKED – VALLEY FEVER – VAPORS – VENT – WET – WETTER LETTIS

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SUPERSATURATION

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It is possible for the stratospheric air layer to be SUPERSATURATED (well above its dew point) yet, as usual, transparent and invisible. A plane flying through this with ITS MOTORS OFF will still generate a LARGE VAPOUR TRAIL as it triggers the supersaturated air to release its water.

From Wikipedia
 Enormous, highly pure, single crystal substances can be grown from a solution at the metastable boundary between an unsaturated and supersaturated solution. Here, a monopotassium phosphate crystal grown to create frequency doubling optics for the NIF laser. The term supersaturation refers to a solution that contains more of the dissolved material than could be dissolved by the solvent under normal circumstances. It can also refer to a vapor of a compound that has a higher (partial) pressure than the vapor pressure of that compound.

Condensation
Small particles (seeds) can trigger the separation of the dissolved material from the solvent or condensation of the vapor. Seeds triggering the condensation of vapor are referred to as condensation nuclei, as in the case of water vapor. In the solid form these seeds can lead to the formation of crystallites or even large single crystals. Supersaturation is a measure of the deviation of a dissolved salt crystal from its equilibrium state.

Preparation
Supersaturated solutions are prepared or result when some condition of a saturated solution is changed, for example temperature, volume (as by evaporation), or pressure.

Examples
Carbonated water is a supersaturated solution of carbon dioxide gas in water. At the elevated pressure in the bottle, more carbon dioxide can dissolve in water than at atmospheric pressure. At atmospheric pressure, the carbon dioxide gas escapes very slowly from the supersaturated liquid. This process may be accelerated by the presence of nucleation sites within the solution, such as small bubbles, caused by shaking the bottle, or another solute, such as sugar powder or a widget. A Diet Coke and Mentos eruption is a rather extreme example. Some beverage products such as ales and stouts e.g. Guinness rely on this effect to produce the ‘head’ on the surface of the poured product. This has led to the invention of the widget, a device developed to produce enhanced bubble seeding in liquids, especially with dual supersaturated gas phases (carbon dioxide and nitrogen) (see patents by Fitzpatrick and Kuzniarski).

Scuba divers’ tissues become supersaturated with breathing gases during a dive. If the diver ascends too fast, these gases form bubbles, resulting in decompression sickness.

In air that is supersaturated with water, water droplets may precipitate upon being disturbed. This can be observed in a cloud chamber. In the more general context a precipitate may form.

Supersaturated solutions of sugar and water are commonly used to make Rock candy.

SVETLANA

Svetlana Kapanina – the best female aerobatic flyer the world has seen. Oh!

 

TABLE

PRES HGHT TEMP DWPT RELH MIXR DRCT SKNT THTA THTE THTV
meters C

355.2  8230 -35.1 -47.4 27 0.15 175 16 320.0 320.6 320.1
344.0  8456 -37.1 -50.1 25 0.11 181 19 320.2 320.7 320.2
311.0  9144 -42.1 -51.4 35 0.11 200 28 322.6 323.0 322.6
300.0  9390 -43.9 -51.9 41 0.11 205 29 323.4 323.8 323.4
250.0 10590 -53.7 -61.7 37 0.04 200 34 326.1 326.3 326.1
246.9 10668 -54.3 -62.3 37 0.04 200 34 326.3 326.5 326.3
200.0 11990 -64.9 -71.9 37 0.01 210 39 329.8 329.9 329.8
193.4 12192 -66.4 -73.4 37 0.01 210 41 330.6 330.6 330.6

Above is the table retabulated using the TAB key. It might not work through this letter program, but it works for me to have lined-up columns.. grab it and see if it recompiles itself into the FULL Notepad page (which I am working in).

I know what the first five headings are but will have to first ask you if you have further definitions for MIXR DRCT SKNT THTA THTE THTV.

The last three look suspiciously like absolute temperatures, and may not count for much.

The five columns on the left have enough info, though.

PRES is the Pressure in millibars, where 1000 millibars is 14.7 lbs/sq.in

Height in metres can easily be translated into feet.

Temp in degrees Centigrade

DWPT is Dewpoint – the temperature at which humidity would be 100%

RELH is the Relative Humidity, expressed as a percentage

Combine this with the chart for predicting contrails –

http://www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/resources/activities/appleman_student.html

and see what you make of it.

  

TEMPORARY CLOUD

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Another “temporary cloud” phenomenon is the WHITE CONE that flutters around the mid-section of fighter aircraft as they cross the Sound Barrier and go SUPERSONIC.

This is also a WATER thing – the shocked air loses pressure, and dumps its water. Oddly enough, just ahead of that phenomenon, the air has been COMPRESSED, and its temperature greatly raised…

  

TEST

“he mentions chemtrails by name” – jeez, you’re IMPENETRABLE

“HAARP”. Did you know HAARP was accused of causing bad weather – HAARP is both a long-distance comm tool and a method of causing fairly local atmospheric heating. The former is useless against terrorism, the latter is useless a) because it cannot be moved from where it is b) it requires a GInormous power input and a DEAD SHORT to any grid that uses it. It also works best pointing straight upwards – a fairly obvious fact when you see the nature of its antennae.

“The orbs are real” – sure, they are, but not of this Earth. I saw the NASA live broadcast.

!I will prove the low RH%! – I’ve discussed the ONLY way you can prove it. It would cost about 10K bucks to do it. A worthwhile investment either way. You calibrate test instrument and collection gear in front of TWO constantly-running videocameras, leave for aircraft leaving one behind on a tripod looking at the test equipment. The collection gear must also have camera trained upon it ALL THE TIME. It is deployed out of back of fast private jet into a contrail at 30+ thousand feet. At the same time the pressure, temp and humidity of the ambient air is measured. The camera is trained on the gauges and the collector AT ALL TIME. You return to the lab and perform the tests on the test sample – the test material MUST NEVER LEAVE THE FRAME.

  

THANKYOU

“Porton Down right up until 1989” – WHO died?

“there’s too many to name” – just name 1 in 5, then. Pick your proportion.

“They are doing it now as many people are realising” – and WHO is dying?

“You were insulting people for telling” – a LIE?

“You can not get worse than that” – shamefully TRUE…

“Goodnight” – and thankyou.

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TRUE/FALSE

corporations dont own your government – DO.

we went to war legally with iraq – WRONG.

intelligence was right on – PACK OF LIES.

Bush won the election – NO, THE VOTING MACHINES DID.

No sort of controversy – WHEW!

the american union – LAST HEARD OF IN 18TH CENTURY.

The patriot act upholds all rights – IN A PIG’S EAR…

chemtrails were last heard of in Vietnam – TRUE.

Contrails are commonly called “chemtrails” by the uneducated – REGRETTABLY TRUE.

So-called “chemtrail tests” were carried out at ground level and tested for RAIN and WIND-BORNE DUST – TRUE.

So-called “persistent chemtrails” are just CONTRAILS laid in a particular layer of saturated air – TRUE.

It would take 3.4 MILLION tons of ALUMINUM/BARIUM to single-shot the Earth – TRUE.

AL/BA through the engines would bring them to a stop – TRUE.

Blood products/Morgellons through the engines would be CREMATED at 2000 deg C – TRUE.

The wing-mounted spray devices typically shown in CT videos are FUEL VENTS – TRUE.

ELEVEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED VOLCANOES on Earth dwarf Man’s annual 300M tons of AV/FUEL – TRUE.

Respiratory problems are easily accounted for by DUSTS, POLLENS, MOULD SPORES, AND PHOTOCHEMICAL SMOG – TRUE.

I like this true/false game… do you?

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TRUTHTRUSTLOVE (sic!)

I assume “You reap what you Sow ” applies to you as well. OF COURSE.

“In a world of universal DECEIT, the TRUTH is a REVOLUTIONARY ACT” – George Orwell. YOU’LL FIND IT ON MY CHANNEL.

You should know . A quote from George Orwell ….sorry real name Eric Blair. That’s truly deceit isn’t it? Especially as he was a Fabian Socialist. The coat of arms for the Fabian society is a Wolf in sheep’s Clothing , the ultimate deceivers. Tony Blair is also a Fabian Socialist & Traitor. – I WAS A SOCIALIST UNTIL 1968 WHEN I BECAME AN ANARCHO SYNDICALIST, A GREEN, AND A PERMACULTURALIST. SEARCH PRINCE KROPOTKIN AND READ ON FOR SEVERAL WEEKS, THEN BILL MOLLISON.

What makes you the Contrails expert? – I’M AN AEROENGINEER. I TESTED JET ENGINES IN TEST BAYS. I HELPED CONSTRUCT THE CONCORDE ENGINE TEST INSTALLATION. I HAVE ANALYZED EXHAUSTS. I KNOW HOW HOT THAT EXHAUST IS. I KNOW HOW IMPOSSIBLE IT IS TO KEEP ORGANIC BARIUM COMPOUNDS MIXED INTO KEROSINE. I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO JET ENGINES WHEN METAL DUSTS PASS THROUGH THEM. I KNOW HOW MANY EASIER AND CHEAPER WAYS THERE ARE TO COMBAT GLOBAL WARMING. I KNOW HOW SMALL CLOUD-SEEDING EXPERIMENTS ARE COMPARED WITH THE SIZE OF THE EARTH. I KNOW THE SIZE OF THE EARTH.

Contrails do not form in damp wet weather. – YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.

Contrails form at above 18,000 feet in dry cold conditions. – YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.

Contrails last from 0.25 – 3 seconds. – YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.

Chem trails last from 10 mins to at least 8 hours. – CHEMTRAILS DON’T EXIST.

The US Government admits it is using what we call “Chem Trails”. – YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.

it is known as the “Combined Direct, Indirect Aerosol Campaign.” – That is officially the title amongst many dozens of operations from the Department of Energy in the United States. – IT IS THE STUDY OF COMBUSTION AEROSOLS IN THE ATMOSPHERE.

The Greek parliament has raised the issue of Chem trails. – SO HAVE YOU. SO WHAT?

Google it and read the transcript. – WHEN I HAVE THE TIME….

The German Military recently admitted on TV to using Chem Trails in Weather modification trials. – THIS WAS A DELIBERATE MISTRANSLATION (OTHERWISE KNOWN AS A FRAUD). CHAFF IS A BURST OF “TINSEL”. IT IS NOT A TRAIL.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MVc9GX5K_As – I HAVE SEEN IT.

It is illegal for unmarked un-flagged un-numbered Aircraft to fly in Tandem or even 6 at a time over urban areas spraying Chemicals, only to turn around come back and do it again. This has happened many times over Brighton. – WHERE’S THE VIDEO?

The Aviation Law has a section dealing with Public Endangerment. – THERE’S A LAW AGAINST SPITTING INTO THE WIND…

Dr Hildegarde Staninger PHD is a Toxicologist. An Independent Toxicologist. Please write to her and tell her she is wrong. – MORGELLONS MAY EXIST AS A DISEASE, OR MAY NOT. I HAVE SEEN THE MATERIAL. THREE POINTS:

WHY ISN’T THERE A SCIENTIFIC BODY OF OPINION BEHIND HER?

WHERE IS THERE A PROVED CONNECTION WITH AIRCRAFT AS A VECTOR?

IF THE “MATERIAL” FORMS CLOSE ASSOCIATIONS WITH FUNGI, WHY HAVEN’T FUNGAL SPORES BEEN FOUND WHICH CONTAIN IT?

I am glad I will reap what I sow. I tell the truth. Unlike you. – YOU WILL REAP WHAT YOU SOW. IGNORANCE FOLLOWED BY SLANDER AND DECEIT WILL BRING DOWN UPON YOU A FATE I WOULD NOT WISH TO RECEIVE.

YOU ARE A COMPLETE TIT. Read https://jazzroc.wordpress.com and find out why.

tit

  

UK ADMITTED

“UK has just admitted chemtrails since the 70s” – That isn’t true.

“still happens every day here where I live” – Nor is this.

“This is population control at its worst” – It isn’t at all. Who died, exactly? Oh, yes, you’re quite correct. It IS population control at its worst!

“born in East Lulworth in Dorset” – I know it WELL. I took my children CAMPING there until they were grown up. They are FIT and HEALTHY.

“32 C – 39% humidity – clear sky – it’s a rarity to get a normal short-breath contrail – but we get grids that expand all day long and cover the entire sky as cloud cover” – YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT THE TROPOSPHERE. THE STRATOSPHERE (where the trails are!) IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

“close-up ”contrails” forming directly from the body of the plane – and that’s not how normal contrails form – or you’ll call me a liar on that one too” – I’d call you WRONG, yes. There is still a GAP which represents the TIME it takes INVISIBLE STEAM to freeze into ICE CRYSTALS. If the air is VERY COLD (-80 deg C) and the RH 100% then the TIME will be SHORT (1/50 sec) and the GAP sixteen feet (at 807 ft/sec). And THAT GAP is VERY DIFFICULT TO SPOT FROM SEVEN MILES.

“6 separate trails ensuing from 4 or 2 engine planes” – OFTEN HAPPENS. When it does it means the AIR is SUPERSATURATED (MORE than 100% HUMID). That happens if the AIR is VERY CLEAN INDEED. Kinda makes you look stupid, eh?

the article is ‘MILLIONS WERE IN WAR GERM TESTS’ – Mmm. Journalists. There WEREN’T “millions” in the area, there AREN’T now, either.

“planes and aerial spraying?” – The RAF had NO spray planes. The RAE had a single Canberra spray plane specially-modified for these trials.. There are NO civil spray planes. Porton Down used water, zinc cadmium sulfide solution, and killed bacteria for these trials.

  

UNMARKED

“Why are these planes unmarked” – I’ll assume we’re talking about stratospheric flight. The plane is flying five to seven miles up in blue sky, strongly illuminated by the sun. Blue light is scattering everywhere. They will appear WHITE. All markings will be scattered away. If the plane had been painted BLACK it wouldn’t even be VISIBLE

“the light making it look white EVERY SINGLE TIME” – see above

“planes fly in strange patterns/not usual course” – did you SEE these planes change direction? Might they not merely have been DIFFERENT AIRCRAFT flying for a moment through MORE HUMID AIR, their contrails suddenly persisting, where before they didn’t?

“havent my grandfather or father seen these before only in the last few years” – Increasing traffic makes a WETTER STRATOSPHERE. Maybe they spent less time looking up earlier in their lives, the aviation traffic being less then.

“you seem to have a answer or cover up 4 everything” – I try to find a physics-logical answer for all of these questions, because the general understanding of the atmosphere is poor. How on Earth you believe that a 63yr-old retired engineer in the Canary Islands can COVER UP anything is your business, but if you were saying this to my face you’d meet up with the end of my fist, boyo!

“a few chemtrails get sprayed & a few hours later its overcast AGAIN” – a complaint first made in the US press late fifties/early sixties, nearly FIFTY YEARS AGO. Check out CONTRAILSCIENCE’S “Chemtrails were Contrails” video. Of course, they just said “contrails” then…

  

VALLEY FEVER

 

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This “free” press publication is ANOTHER bastion of closed-minded stupidity. On it (December 14th, 2008) we have the following:

Emil Pulsifer: I’ve always found Strategic Air Command (Jimmy Stewart, 1955) to be wonderfully restful, especially in the flying scenes.

Christy: I have been a sky watcher for 40 years. I know the difference between a contrail, vapor trail, and a chemtrail. Chemtrails are real and you have to be blind not to see it. The authorities are lying when they say they are not spraying something in the atmosphere. We are not zany theorists but intelligent humans that know what we see in front of us. Choose to be blind if you want, but some day the truth will come out. Thanks Carole for trying to inform and protect the public. “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.” Mahatma Gandhi.

Robert: I agree with Carole Pellatt. The chemtrailing is REAL. Get off your fat behind and do your research. There is real research and proof out there.  Think about it…our country is run by Big Oil. They make our jet fuel and can formulate it any way they want. AND they control what we put in our vehicles. Have you looked into what additives are mixed with our gasoline?  It doesn’t take Einstein to figure out something is not right here. All you have to do is LOOK UP. I recently drove up to Prescott to see if moving there would help me breathe better. But the Chemtrails were just as thick. We’re talking criss-crossing heavy attacks to our upper atmosphere. Please quit shunning concerned readers with your ignorance. Way to go Carole for having the “balls” to write in such a great story.

(Someone): YOU GO GIRL! Good Job sticking your neck out there for us, which isn’t easy. Thank you! You are an inspiration to me, and as soon as I get my act together here, I want to do similar work here in Portland, Oregon! I play piano/keyboards and guitar.

John Bonnema: The next time you see these jets spraying and littering the skies with these poisons, run a HEPA filter (new filter) outside for as long as you see the spraying and then have the filter tested for it’s content. You don’t want to know the results! Keep in mind that you are breathing this crap in, as are your family members. “Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.”

Carole Pellatt: Hi, Guess who here? Thank you so much for the publicity. First of all Ray, despite that you don’t believe in what is going on in the air, I appreciate that you tried to be kind to me in your commentary. I can see by the style of writing “black helicopter poetry”, “debunked chemtrail theory” and “obsession” that your words are completely unprovable and rather hostile and biased. And I mean no disrespect, but in our emails exchanges I asked you to read a) Military reports, b) any information-factual-that I’ve posted on my website, c) any reports or studies on weather modification, d) electromagnetic weapons, e) H.A.A.R.P. You told me you had never gone to my website, read my detailed report on the history of government experimentation on civilian populations (Connections, Yes We Are Being Sprayed), you never read any text I have published, any reports, and you told me you were a “news junkie” and if they were spraying the sky you’d know about it. That’s not much of a defense for debunkers. Sounds to me like you’ve pretty much admitted you have purposely done no real research. Researchers do not rely on the news to get their information. So it seems that you are so outside the loop of the reality of science, specifically science in the service of the military industrial complex, that what I’m saying seems completely unbelievable. Unfortunately, it’s you that are out of touch with nature, real clouds, and contrails. And by the way, it’s a rare occasion where you will hear me say the word “chemtrail”. I use it when I have to, but I know these experiments started just after WWII (documented fact), and they were called “contrails” when referring to weather modification (ex. report called “Using Airplane Contrails to Change The Weather”) and “chaff” when referring to discharging electromagnetic interrupting materials from jets. Now, onto the word “obsess”…..Well, I guess I do see chemtrails everywhere. Because they are everywhere. They are in Germany, and Italy, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Greece, Sweden, England….I can go on and on. Everywhere I go, I also see poverty, injustice, class wars, air pollution, exploitation of minorities, decimation of the natural world, refugees, and a complete disappearance of migratory paths for animals. I hope you will be writing about these things as well. As I know you would want to use your position as a “reporter” to do some good in the world. Because that’s what it’s about isn’t it? I have to say Ray, I really appreciate you mentioning that I am a talented guitar player. That would have really bothered me had you dissed my music, as music is a healing force in nature. But, sometimes I wonder if you are not a shill for the military industrial complex, as you are using your position to make accusations about me without providing any facts. Exactly who (remember – who, what, where, when, why and how?), has successfully debunked chemtrails. Really WHO? I would like to know. Seeing as I actually read other people’s words with an open mind, I would like to see some facts. Not the insulting bullshit I read on the bully pulpit forums written by ignorant cowards hiding behind their fake names. I am always willing to talk to anyone who has information for me. Please, provide me with the person who has debunked chemtrails successfully. I’d love nothing more than to put this subject to bed and free up more practice time. It seems you’re more than willing to believe other people’s second hand information. I don’t understand how you can look at some of the photos in the latest essay and not become sickened by what the air looks like in this city. Even if you didn’t think this filth was sprayed there purposely, any human that truly gave a damn about anyone that has to breathe the air should be overtaken by those images. As I said before, that just confirms my suspicions that you have no connection to the natural world.  In closing, I did want to reiterate that despite the fact that we disagree, I appreciate you bringing the matter to the public. Even if it is at the expense of my reputation as a legitimate researcher. I see by the comments to this article that apparently what I have to say is not a rare point of view. Thank you everyone for your tireless support. It keeps me going.

Bard of Ely: I was a chemtrail-believer for years and am now a non-believer, and the “debunker”, who is infamous on the Internet after being banned from YouTube and David Icke’s forums, who got me to see where I was wrong, is known as JazzRoc. I have posted a full account of how I came to believe and disbelieve in chemtrails. I agree that the skies are messed up but I no longer see a serious threat in this!

Keith Geddes: Here we go again. Here in the UK.. nearly every day theres a clear blue sky.. oh yes, we have them, sometimes briefly.. there can be as many as six high altitude planes leaving `trails`.  Now.. I don’t profess to know what the trails consist of, but my query, and it’s never been answered properly officially, is.. why so many planes up there at one time.. leaving trail upon trail making criss-cross patterns.. which do usually end up as man made clouds. I`m not saying its poison.. thats a little sensational, oh, its something unusual.. vapor clears pretty fast.. I’ve taken countless pics just like Carol’s.. the only official reply I ever had from a USAF commander I found the address of.. dispute that if you like and WHY didn’t I keep a print out.. said.. `your boys over there keep a pretty tight grip on air traffic.. I shouldn’t worry`.. well.. thing is, this could be anyone. WE in the UK know we are told what to do BY the U.S. much of the time. We are strategic to the U.S. our politicians are puppets. We know this.. and I know many over there think the same of yours. SO.. can’t DO anything about it.. no one admits anything.. `rubbish` is spouted, David Icke and such are put down as nuts, the only reason he’s still alive..ok. There have been people putting up proof seeing pics of planes with internal barrels.. but thats been proven as test aircraft. OK.

zret: Chemtrails are real! They are poisonous and lethal. Wake up before it’s too late.

Brian Coia: Your dry ignorance is a sad state of affairs. It always seems amusing to witness the inferior attributes of a journalist minority in action. What’s the purpose in your credit of placing people in your little world of “categories”?  Like every other mainstream story, seems like everyone along with everything is in a “category” these days. What a boring world Mr. Ray. Is this a trait that was learned in your schooling, or is this a personal issue that has foundation in being high on caffeine and spinning stories to meet your work ethic? There is certainty in Ms. Pellatt’s words that you provide no credible insight in proving her otherwise. Apart from this, are you feeling gratification in kicking her to the ground? To put simply, I find it both interesting and disturbing that one can look into a beautiful blue sky, watch planes cover it with swathes of murky substances that mask its beautiful blue nature, and without further contemplation of why this is happening, one is still able to say “the sky and airplanes invoke tranquility”. It would be in your best interest to spend a fair amount of time in researching this topic. Naturally, the simple approach is to shun someone who thinks outside of ones boxed-in convention. This is a very shallow and weak attempt to discredit ones understanding. Mr. Ray, would it not be best to properly bring yourself back into your story? Other than personal issues with a potential inferiority complex, I am convinced that you do have some sort of doubt as to the possibility of aerial toxic-spraying of chemicals. Truth always seems to have an interesting way of surfacing itself. At some point, you will find its accuracy.

Alan: Thank you Carole for the wonderful advocacy that you do on behalf of all those who look up and see the damage that is being done to our atmosphere. As for the Bard of Ely, give me a break! I had personal contact with Dr. McKay and he avoided our attempts to interview him for a podcast. The fact that you mentioned him in your missive makes me feel that you have been misguided by accepting “truth from sources that have not been reliable in the first place. You said, “I quoted Dr Stephen McKay, who has become well respected amongst the chemtrail-believer community for speaking out as a scientist against the threat. Dr McKay was a member of the Yahoo group forum for chemtrail tracking usa. The respect you claimed he had was not amongst the serious researchers with whom I communicate. As for JazzRoc, It was a combination of his obnoxious behavior and the use of fiction amongst facts that caused him to be shunned by those who are seeking the truth behind the curtain of secrecy regarding these aerosol spray programs. I live in New York City where hundreds, if not thousands, of flights pass overhead daily. Why do only a few jets, military in appearance, leave lingering contrails that spread out and obscure what should be a blue sky? I am not buying what the debunkers are selling simply because the hours of research that I have done point me in a direction where evidence, as well as personal observation, clearly indicate that something is not normal about these chemical contrails. For example, the beautiful (but perhaps deadly) sun dogs or rainbow-like areas of the sky that appear when spraying operations are being performed are inexplicable. My eyes don’t lie! Once again, thank you Carole for opening up the eyes of many more curious souls who sense that there is something ominous to the milky haze that is more and more constant across our once beautiful planet. When I watch astronauts working outside of the space shuttle and see a milky blue earth that matches our skies looking upward, I grow concerned. what happened to our beautiful, blue marble? I miss it.

Rosalind Kirsch: It appears that as a reporter you have not done adequate research before writing your article on Carole Pellatt’s research. Respiratory illnesses have shown a marked increase even though the number of people who smoke has decreased. There are more children diagnosed with autism than ever before. Whatever is being sprayed in our skies has to fall to earth and we, the people, continue to breathe in this noxious air. I do thank you for the article because you have brought the subject of chemtrails to many of your readers, and hopefully, wanting to know more, they will go to Carole’s websites and with open minds draw their own conclusions from the facts detailed there. By the way, Ray, the only thing you got right in your article is that Carole Pellatt is a talented musician.

Freedom Fighter: I will say this once. I have opened an investigation with the Department of Homeland Security because no one is willing to give straight talk about this issue. First, our government is saying that they are performing weather modification. ISDAC – Indirect and Semi-Direct Aerosol Campaign is up and running; we have fixed wing aircraft from private companies and universities performing the tests, there is the proof that there is something fishy happening. VooDoo1 is the aircraft and there are many more. Let’s start with this one though. look at the history of the aircraft and who owns it…www.raytheon.com – Missile defense, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; precision strike; homeland security and technical services is what this company does…I ask this of everyone. Ask questions and get answers. Also, look at the Georgia Guidestones and population at 500,000,000. Where are 80% of the people going??? THIS IS REAL…call DHS and ask them to investigate! A tax paying citizen of the United States.

David Morrison: for hard info on this google: morgellon’s disease and louisiana chemtrail story jeff ferrel. The term chemtrail was actually invented by the air force in a training manual, not by Dennis Kucinich who tried to have them banned as an exotic weapon. When you breathe on a cold day does your breath hang in the air for hours or your car exhaust? Chemtrails can be seen at high and low altitudes, there have been rainwater tests, soil tests, and direct identification of nanoparticles by a Dr. Hildegarde Staninger of California. Check it out, don’t rely on your belief system. Believing is not knowing and trusting in blind faith.

California Citizen: There are reasons to deny that chemtrails are not real: a) You’re not paying attention, which is probably a small percentage; ie: those on meds, elderly etc.  b) You could lose your job over taking the wrong stance.  c) You believe you’re part of the infrastructure that is covertly protecting us with secret weapons.  d) You like the idea of hurting people by the millions and knowing they can’t do anything about it.   e) You’d rather live in fear and submission than speak the truth.  f) And most importantly, you don’t believe in Christ being in control, and are not trusting in Him. Romans 10 vs. 9 and 10. Where do you fit in?

Well, I replied to this page, and got no reply, no letter of mine was published, and yet this column went on to diss me and tell lies as to my actions. Well, that’s what you get when there is no freedom of speech. Lies and distortions. Below I publish my letter: it isn’t very polite, but then people for whom I have no respect shouldn’t expect politeness from me…

I’ve always found Strategic Air Command to be wonderfully restful.

Me too. The bland nature of the dialogue, the horrific nature of the task (Strangeloveish – and never mentioned!).

I have been a sky watcher for 40 years. I know the difference between a contrail, vapor trail, and a chemtrail.

And me for fifty. And I’m a scientist, have run and tested jet engines, and know that a contrail IS a “vapor trail” and that chemtrails don’t exist.

Chemtrails are real and you have to be blind not to see it.

Chemtrails are a figment of your imagination (and a falsehood) and there’s no way you could ever prove otherwise.

The authorities are lying when they say they are not spraying something in the atmosphere. We are not zany theorists but intelligent humans that know what we see in front of us.

They are telling the truth, and I know it is you who is lying, by asserting something I know to be false and something you cannot prove.

Choose to be blind if you want, but some day the truth will come out.

Well its been ten years since it was claimed to have begun, and so far there hasn’t been ONE case of death, or ONE case of whistle-blowing, or ONE case of a crashed plane with mysterious substances, etc., etc.

The chemtrailing is REAL.

In your mind only. Out there it is business as usual, with 300,000,000 tons of ice crystals entering the stratosphere each year. Of course, these tend to turn skies white.

Get off your fat behind and do your research.

Research which doesn’t exclude the word “chemtrails” ISN’T research – it’s merely delusory confirmation from other deluded people. In science this is known as “confirmation bias” and is something scientists strive carefully to remove.

There is real research and proof out there.

There is REAL SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH and NO PROOF of chemtrails out there. You just have to enter “chemtrails” as an EXCLUSION when you use a search engine…

Think about it…our country is run by Big Oil.

That may be correct. But what’s the relevance?

They make our jet fuel and can formulate it any way they want.

That isn’t how it’s done. Each refinery makes up its own contracts and formulations to standards which are openly published.

AND they control what we put in our vehicles. Have you looked into what additives are mixed with our gasoline?

And have been done so since gasoline first came on the market. They are NOT nice! Nor relevant…

It doesn’t take Einstein to figure out something is not right here. All you have to do is LOOK UP.

Look up, and you’ll see the Sun go round the Earth. Does it? Why not? Answer this question.

I recently drove up to Prescott to see if moving there would help me breathe better. But the Chemtrails were just as thick. We’re talking criss-crossing heavy attacks to our upper atmosphere.

Obviously more relevant than auto fumes, photochemical urban smog, pollens, and general manufacturing and agricultural dusts in the air…

Please quit shunning concerned readers with your ignorance.

Are you talking into your mirror?

The next time you see these jets spraying and littering the skies with these poisons, run a HEPA filter (new filter) outside for as long as you see the spraying and then have the filter tested for its content. You don’t want to know the results! Keep in mind that you are breathing this crap in, as are your family members.

You could also try it at a time when there are NO jet trails in the air. That would be SCIENCE. You’ll find NO DIFFERENCE.

“Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.”

SO STOP CONDEMNING, BECAUSE YOU SURE AIN’T INVESTIGATING.

“black helicopter poetry”, “debunked chemtrail theory” and “obsession” that your words are completely unprovable and rather hostile and biased.

The burden of proof rests upon YOU. Are you SURE you’re not talking into your mirror?

a) Military reports, b) any information-factual-that I’ve posted on my website, c) any reports or studies on weather modification, d) electromagnetic weapons, e) H.A.A.R.P.

Are not relevant at all.

That’s not much of a defense for debunkers.

Debunkers don’t have to DEFEND. YOU have to PROVE.

Researchers do not rely on the news to get their information.

Nor on established atmospheric and scientific research, apparently.

outside the loop of the reality of science, specifically science in the service of the military industrial complex

Is what you are. You should read a library book sometime. There is a list of books to read at jazzroc.wordpress.com

out of touch with nature, real clouds, and contrails.

Whew! Hypocritical or what?

I know these experiments started just after WWII (documented fact), and they were called “contrails” when referring to weather modification (ex. report called “Using Airplane Contrails to Change The Weather”)

NOBODY has “modified weather”. Cloud-seeding is just that – seeding a cloud, for liberating rain.

“chaff” when referring to discharging electromagnetic interrupting materials from jets.

Chaff was used in WWII (it was called ‘window’) for producing false radar images. It is INERT and HARMLESS.

they are everywhere.

Civil transportation (laying persistent contrails in humid air) is EVERYWHERE.

poverty, injustice, class wars, air pollution, exploitation of minorities, decimation of the natural world, refugees, and a complete disappearance of migratory paths for animals.

ARE ABSOLUTELY AND COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

do some good in the world. Because that’s what it’s about isn’t it?

YES. So why don’t you quit with the falsehoods, lies, smears, slanders, and libels? That will end the harm you are doing. AFTER THAT you might do something useful.

I wonder if you are not a shill for the military industrial complex

Yes. We understand that anyone that disagrees with you is a “shill”.

Exactly who has successfully debunked chemtrails. Really WHO? I would like to know. Seeing as I actually read other people’s words with an open mind, I would like to see some facts.

Try WIKI, contrailscience.com, jazzroc.wordpress.com. IT IS YOU who are out of touch with nature, real clouds, and contrails.

Not the insulting bullshit I read on the bully pulpit forums written by ignorant cowards hiding behind their fake names.

“Get off your fat behind” – “authorities are lying” – “you have to be blind” – “outside the loop of the reality” – “you are a shill” – “out of touch with nature” – “you have no connection to the natural world” – “you’re more than willing to believe other people’s second hand information” – INSULTING BULLSHIT WRITTEN BY YOU.

I’d love nothing more than to put this subject to bed and free up more practice time.

PLEASE DO IT.

It seems you’re more than willing to believe other people’s second hand information.

That mirror again?

I don’t understand how you can not become sickened by what the air looks like in this city. Even if you didn’t think this filth was sprayed there purposely, any human that truly gave a damn about anyone that has to breathe the air should be overtaken with those images. As I said before, that just verifies to me my suspicions that you have no connection to the natural world.

You have no connection with science, logic, or truth. Mirror.

I appreciate you bringing the matter to the public. Even if it is at the expense of my reputation as a legitimate researcher.

You have no such reputation.

I see that what I have to say is not a rare point of view.

No, it isn’t. Others, like you, are also quite prepared to self-aggrandize themselves and slander others, all without any factual proof of what they claim, simply because they are basically uneducated in the science of their atmosphere.

Not only that, but here you bear false witness against me, and also do not print my reply.

So much for your ideas on “fair debate” and “wishing to discover truth”.

  

VAPOR VANISHING

“When vapor is in the exposed to the sun it vanishes rather quickly.” – FALSE. WATER “VAPOR” ISN’T VISIBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE! CONTRAILS ARE FINELY-DIVIDED ICE CRYSTALS which are FALLING VERY SLOWLY.

If they are falling through SATURATED AIR they CANNOT BE REABSORBED, sunshine or no sunshine.

Sunlight shining on ICE bounces off (that is why trails are WHITE in sunlight) and consequently CANNOT HEAT IT. Any heat it receives is immediately conducted to the AIR AT -40 DEG.

  

VAPOR 1

“Water vapor does not form haze and hazey clouds” – Water vapor is an INVISIBLE GAS. It CAN form HAZE and HAZY CLOUDS.

“The closest thing to a water vapor haze is fog” – There is NO SUCH THING as WATER VAPOR HAZE.

“Notice how fog burns away when the sun comes out” – that happens DOWN HERE. It does NOT HAPPEN in the STRATOSPHERE.

“Chemtrail haze does not burn off like natural fog” – “chemtrail haze” DOESN’T EXIST.

“So there’s a very high probability that it’s not water vapor” – NO. What you see is ICE that cannot sublime, because it is in SATURATED AIR.

“it’s a contrail and conhaze” – NAMELY FINE ICE CRYSTALS. Someone has conned you and hazed you.

“contrails do not last for hours because the heat from jet exhaust is what creates the condensation” – YOU ARE WRONG. It is the COMBUSTED HYDROGEN of the BURNT DECANE which makes STEAM at 1100 deg C which “is what creates the condensation”.

“in humid air usually above 30K ft” – ALL AIR IS HUMID. A TRAIL WILL FORM TEMPORARILY IF THE RELATIVE HUMIDITY IS 95% BUT PERMANENTLY IF IT IS 100%. At the poles trails can form at ground level.

“Once the heat is gone so is the trail” – RUBBISH. When the STEAM cools down to -40 deg C (the temperature it IS up there!) it becomes FINE ICE CRYSTALS. They cannot melt or evaporate.

“chemtrails are not water vapor” – SURE ENOUGH. THEY DON’T EXIST. THEY DON’T EXIST. THEY DON’T EXIST.

“If chemtrails were not a covert operation, we would hear propaganda just like we do with flouride in the water supply” – BUT IF THEY DIDN’T EXIST AT ALL WE’D HEAR BUGGER ALL ANYWAY.

And it’s FLUORIDE – O “expert” (censored).

fluoride

  

VAPOR 2

“Vapor exposed to the sun vanishes.” – FALSE. VAPOR ISN’T VAPOR AT -40 deg C but tiny ICE CRYSTALS. Falling through SATURATED AIR they CAN’T BE REABSORBED. Sunlight bounces off ICE (trails are WHITE in sunlight!) so CAN’T HEAT IT. Water vapor itself is INVISIBLE.

“GeoEngineering”? – HAHA…

Proportional to AREA of the EARTH the area of the US is INSIGNIFICANT at <2%.

Re POLLUTION OF THE EARTH, Man takes THIRD PLACE behind burning forests, rotting tundra, farting animals, & 1500 ACTIVE VOLCANOES. & 10,000 UNDERSEA ONES !

  

VENT

When aircraft experience soon after take-off an on-board “incident” which requires them to IMMEDIATELY land, they actually CANNOT do so.

They are fully-laden with passengers, freight and fuel and TOO HEAVY TO LAND. If they did, their brakes would burn out and their tyres would explode. The bill? THREE MILLION BUCKS! In order to avoid that bill, they VENT FUEL.

THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SEEING with that underwing shot.

To represent this the way you do is BEYOND ALL DECENT BEHAVIOR.

 

WET

atacama

The WHOLE of the atmosphere is WET with WATER. The highest desert in the world, Atacama, has some of the world’s driest air, but elsewhere the air is WET.
In general there is little or no difference in wetness between clouds (non-transparent and raining) and the clear air between them. Air turns to clouds and clouds turn back to air. What goes on involves transformations of temperatures and dewpoints – all driven by the SUN.

 

WETTER LETTIS

WetLettice – “u want to tell US the common sensed people” – Givemeabreakgivemeab…

“disinfo bullshit” – Codeword for SCIENCE.

“for the feeble minded but you won’t find many here” – Far be it for me to insult EVERYONE.

“Pointing people to “experts”” – No, I offered a CHOICE: read up on it, or take the advice of EXPERTS (which you are NOT!)

“traitor to mankind” – People who claim science to be disinformation are THAT.

“will be judged” – By your imaginary friend? No.

“Go crawl in your hole” – It’s an apartment standing in a desert near a sea shore. The sky is clear and blue.

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“you’re in league” – Man, NOBODY owns me, and I owe NOTHING. I’M FREE! (Looks over shoulder to check whether the missus’s around!)

“subverting and perverting something that belongs to the most powerful” – As an atheist it ill behoves me to say “Oh, God!”

“he doesn’t like it” – “JESUS!”

“Your God (Lucifer) is a lier, imposter and a theif” – At least Ole’ Lucy taught me how to spell…

“You’ll outlive me in this life” – I’m 64. Are you sure?

bzbz – “F O J!” – Get back to your puppets…

WetLettice – “I don’t think jazzroc is an paid “agent”” – Change of tune? Did you look me up and check out my intro? No, they didn’t pay me, they taught me to play music, turned me into a musician because everyone knows musicians are cheap, cheap, cheap.

“He lacks the intellect/goes along with what he’s told” – That’s why my video is astonishingly BAD. It’s all clear to me now.

“sticking to popular opionion” – OPIONIONS (Indian onions) stick to the pan…

“advancing the NWO agenda” – I should have got you to define this.

“unknowingly serving the darkness” – We’ve been communicating, folks, hence the slight warming!

spelingcorectness – “google chemtrails, chemicals mixed with kerosine” – Would put out the flame.(http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gVctfPGY3BI)

“stop earth warming” – 3.4 million tons of aluminum/barium would take a WHILE to deploy.

“weakening ur immune system” – See George Carlin “You are all diseased” on that. Hilarious!

“real poison” – REAL POISON IS TRASH LIKE THIS.

“chemtrails cause cancer” – CHEMTRAILS DON’T EXIST.

“no doubt” – This really GETS me. After repeating baseless lies to each other, and WITHOUT ANY PROOF WHAT SO EVER, you have NO DOUBT. Back to the corner of the class for you. GO READ A TEXT BOOK. STOP TALKING. IT’S JUST NOISE, NOT INFORMATION!

“water is poisoned too, the chemicals rain down!” – Well, personally I was NEVER a fan of untrammeled private enterprise, but it seems YOU folks have got yourself POISONED GROUNDWATER and POISONED AIR the great and free USA way. Nor am I a fan of the (NWO) because I am an ANARCHIST as well as an ATHEIST. You may have GOT what you ASKED for…

anarchism

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