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“disinfo” – once again well-known, well-reported ESTABLISHED ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCE is DESCRIBED AS DISINFO.

“contrails do not remain” – BUT THEY CAN. The air has only to be SATURATED or SUPERSATURATED for them to REMAIN.

“if they do they’re a chemtrail” – IF THEY DO, THE AIR IS SATURATED. Unfortunately for ALL OF US, you take THAT as PROOF of a “chemtrail”. It’s the ONLY “PROOF” you have – so sad.

“Chemtrails remain because there is particulate matter in them” – DUSTS PUT JET ENGINES OUT –

“since not enough moisture to keep contrail present at high altitudes, disappears within a minute” – Ah, some detail in your ignorance. The fine ice crystal “smoke” of the contrail will SUBLIME into the -40 deg air if the air is NOT SATURATED. But the air may SATURATED or even SUPERSATURATED. There’s NO WAY YOU CAN TELL FROM THE GROUND, for ALL DEGREES OF SATURATION ARE TRANSPARENT.

“Your science is crap” – It isn’t MY science. It’s ESTABLISHED ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCE. 




The first thing you do is start with a common occurrence – an allergic reaction to cedar pollen. Then you “build in” the precursors (some direct lie) to throw the listener off-track. Then you can supply lots of misinformation (“yellow dusts sprayed from aircraft”) and propagate chemtrail disinformation. Here is a case in point:

This is a comment by WATCHER on the post “How long do contrails last?” by Uncinus in Contrailscience.com:

“In 2006 a plane dumped something in our area (Cedar Glen). It was a large yellow cloud that exploded leaving behind a sticky yellow reside on my car and property. Although it looked like cedar pollen, it was in Dec. so no chance of it being that.


Following that…there was a high rate of illness reported by doctors in the area. Paul Moyer on NBC 4 did a report on it as well, with no explanation other than “oh well….we’ll keep you posted”. I watched four days ago as the planes criss crossed in the sky, coloring the sky white. It rained the next day and I got the headaches that felt like an ice pick stabbing me in the inner ear. I have been around for a long time and do not remember anything like these planes trails or headaches of this severity when I was growing up until the late 90’s. I would never have paid attention until I noticed the illnesses in conjunction with the planes.”

From Ezine Articles – http://ezinearticles.com/?Cedar-Fever-What-Is-It—How-Do-You-Get-It—Home-Remedies-For-Cedar-Fever&id=380719

“The disease cedar fever is not actually a fever. This disease is a kind of allergy. The allergic reaction is accompanied by watery and itchy eyes, runny nose, and sneezing. Most of the time, this also causes itchiness inside the ears. Cedar fever is caused by the pollen from the commonly known mountain cedar tree, although this tree is actually juniper (juniperus ashei). This disease is a seasonal disease. This means that many individuals get this disease on only certain seasons of the year.


The usual season for cedar fever would be December to January, when the cyclic pollination of trees occur. The pollens are released by the trees and scattered by the winds. Once the pollen from the tree is inhaled, it may cause an undesirable effect on cedar allergic persons.

Many persons are are prone to allergies. The allergic reactions to certain things are caused by an oversensitive immune system. The oversensitive immune system leads to an increased (but unnecessary) immune response. The body’s immune system usually protects itself against harmful chemicals, bacteria and viruses. The allergic reaction occurs when the immune system reacts to a stimulant (an allergen) that usually does not do harm most people.

As noted above, cedar fever involves an allergic reaction to pollen. A virtually identical reaction occurs with allergy to mold, dust, and other allergens that can be inhaled. Other small particles on the air, especially in polluted air, can greatly aggravate the disease of cedar fever.”




“make your own doco” – WATCH THIS SPACE.




“substances reflect sunlight” – THE ICE IN A CONTRAIL DOES THIS.

“So what if you’re sick” – YOUR DIET, CITY SMOGS, POLLENS DO THIS.



“prozac is a better name for it” – NOT AT ALL.


“your ignorance is disgusting and vile” – GET AWAY FROM THE MIRROR. 

DOUBLEMEAT’S LIST (fantastic!)



“For days when it’s dry.” – Then you haven’t appreciated the fundamental difference between the troposphere and the stratosphere. The troposphere is frictionally-bound to the earth’s surface, and also locked by thermals which become cumulus clouds. The air in the troposphere is always turbulently mixing. It is the BOUNDARY LAYER of the surface of the Earth.


The stratosphere slides over it at greatly differing speeds and directions. Its overall ground speed is typically higher. Being layered, it gets its pressure potentials (its reason to move) from greater distances away, sometimes hundreds and sometimes thousands of miles away. That’s why particular layers are sometimes given the name JET STREAMS by pilots; when they stand out as having a particularly high speed and unusual direction.

From my description you can easily infer that what you experience in the troposphere has nothing whatsoever to do with what you see in the stratosphere. At their boundary the gases do not mix except at rates of normal gaseous diffusion.

And this condition remains even after “days when it’s dry”.

The absolute reverse can also be true: the conditions in the troposphere  are violent, stormy and wet, while up above in the stratosphere  the conditions are BONE DRY, AND THERE’S NO SIGN OF CONTRAILS ANYWHERE. 


“People are dying” – And being born.

“Respiration problems, CANCERS/blah/DEATHS RISING” – The population’s rising

“persists” – People persist

“obvious cover up government/media” – Not so. Thinking people know that CONNECTING events isn’t THAT easy

“If you really had a clue when it came to Science, then you wouldn’t be posting this crap” – Take a look in the mirror before you write

“So the proof is what comes out of your mouth. You are an evil person for promoting what the government is doing to its citizens and you should be tried just like the Nazis were in the Nuremberg Trials for the atrocities you and others like you are trying to cover up”

And those LIES you write here in a continuous stream are the reason for my responses. Your INDUSTRIES are POISONING your groundwater, your FOOD is DENATURED and POLLUTED, your air is thick with POLLEN, AUTO FUMES, and PHOTOCHEMICAL SMOGS, RADIOACTIVE A-BOMB PRODUCTS, elevated levels of UV RADIATION, you live in IGNORANCE, LIES, FEAR, and STRESS, and instead of ADDRESSING THESE PRESSING PROBLEMS, your LOOSE THINKING connects with persistent vapor trails and CONCOCTS a massive genocidal goverment campaign, and an actionable libel to boot, all without a SHRED of EVIDENCE.

You really DO have the government you deserve…



Genuine Bull

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GenuineBull: Persistent lies of chemically-infused butt spray dispersals from typically uninformed brains which are now seen in YouTube all over the world. Unlike normal conversations formed by normal people, GB’s words spread to form a thick blanket of bullshit, held together by straws until they reach the ground, contaminating crops, water supplies and humans with a pungent stink of lies and dessicated innuendoes which contain active human pathogens. The cure: contrailscience.com


Chemtrails Parts I and II ? Miles Muzio Chief Meteorologist KBAK-TV, CBS 29 News, Bakersfield California

Genuine professionals are people called by some as “disinformationalists” (sic).

They are ALWAYS people who KNOW what they are talking about. Chemtrailers automatically HATE these people and call them “useful idiots”.

Miles Muzio here is a regular guy who is obviously good at his job, but not too practised in rebutting or debunking conspiracy fools. (I can tell because he occasionally misuses some relevant terminology himself, which one has learned NOT to do when fighting such a war of ideas. In particular he seems unaware of the existence of supersaturation as a special condition of the stratosphere.)

He says: “This is an ongoing controversy with some people who insist a malevolent conspiracy is subliminally gassing Americans. I have found no credible evidence of this. Condensation trails are common and form as a function of temperature. Condensation nuclei are produced by hydrocarbon exhaust and quickly form ice fog in the high atmosphere. The colder it is at flight level the more persistent the ice fog is.

There are really three types of fog (which are manifest as clouds aloft): 1) regular water droplet fog at temperatures above freezing, 2) water droplet fog at temperatures below freezing (which can result in icing conditions for aircraft), and 3) ice crystal fog (ice fog). Ice fog generally forms at temperatures below -22F. In arctic towns during the dead of winter it is not unusual to have ice fog form behind cars on the road. Ice fog dissipates very slowly because it must sublime from solid to vapor which requires a molecular heat transfer of about 620 calories per gram. At extremely low temperatures in the 30,000 to 40,000 foot range (between -60 and -100 degrees F), this change of state can take some time.

When I was a military meteorologist in Alaska back in the 1970s, one of the routine forecasts I put out was a contrails prediction. It was something that dated back to World War II. Our bombers needed to know at what altitude they must fly in order to NOT produce contrails. Of course, there was radar back then and the Japanese probably could spot an incoming B-29, but perhaps not. If contrails were visible 100 miles away then everyone would know. Nomograms were developed for the prediction. It was fairly straight forward. A critical temperature and pressure was required for contrail formation, usually something like -45F. Humidity came into the equation for relatively warm temperatures, but once it got below about -70F humidity didn’t matter – ice clouds would form regardless. When you see jets in which the contrail forms for only a short distance behind the aircraft and then it quickly disappears – that means the jet is flying at an altitude close to the critical contrail temperature.

I can also tell you that the manner in which contrails disperse, or don’t disperse, reveals important information about atmospheric stability and diffluence. The same is true about lenticular clouds that form in Tehachapi. These mountain wave clouds don’t automatically form when it’s windy. There are several other considerations, such as stability, humidity and the wind angle relation to the mountain range.

In the same way contrails will expand in areas of diffluent flow (winds pulling apart over a horizontal area). Much of this also applies to steam or exhaust that is released from a common smoke stack in breezy conditions. If the smoke goes up or if it goes down, if it expands or if it stays uniform – all tell a story about the character of the atmosphere. So when contrails form an X in the sky, it means there are two persistent contrails behind aircraft with tracks at 90-degrees to each other – nothing more. Go to contrailscience.com for further details.”




This was an American with a single-digit percentage of bullshit telling Americans what was wrong with their thinking (not that he didn’t have a world-wide appeal!). I tremendously respected and admired this man, and still keep him in mind when I write – he helps me keep my OWN bullshit in check.

What he says about DISEASE (and many other issues) should be MANDATORY MATERIAL in education.

He was the very embodiment of  MATURITY…



Aviation kerosine contains no metal, and burns to form steam and carbon dioxide. Chaff is INERT. Civil planes aren’t fitted with spray equipment. The world’s 1500 active (24/7) volcanoes outdo Man’s efforts twentyfold. Living plants have converted THAT into FRESH AIR for 3 billion years. Human skin and lung diseases are caused by pollens and auto fumes and photoreactive smog combined. Worry about deforestation and the death of ocean phytoplankton. GET REAL! PEACEFULLY!


“He will just waste your time and energy” – You ARE wasting everyone’s time.

“I learned the hard way” – You have LEARNED not a thing

“posts on other chemtrail videos” – who LIE as YOU do..

“comments from other people about him on his YouTube profile” – There was ONE SMART GUY there…

“all over the web debunking chemtrails” – I would STOP if there were any PROOF to the contrary.

“google “jazzroc”” – and some extreme “chemtrailer” crap crops up amongst scientific and musical references. Embarrassing.

“logical explanation for his behavior is he is paid” – NO. For want of a scientific understanding you guys are talking complete rubbish, and I thought to point you in a scientific direction. While you talk utter crap you’ll get nowhere. (Don’t you just LOATHE people who talk past you?)

“jazzroc (aka “Epoxynous”, “doublemeat”)” – They are OTHER PEOPLE I’m pleased to have been in touch with.

“”soda pop” crap” – Which is COMPLETELY TRUE – but call it CRAP, and maybe it’ll go away, eh?

“never-ending arguments” – NEVER HAPPEN BETWEEN SENSIBLE PEOPLE.

“He attacks anyone” – I attack ANY BAD IDEA.

“chemtrails may not be simple contrails” – may not exist, for the complete ABSENCE of PROOF.

“bombard you with “scientific evidence”” – as found in TEXT BOOKS ON SCIENCE

“he refers to his own website as proof” – It has a potted life history, photographs, my composed jazz and my synthesized classics (some of it interesting. “Fire and Ice” and “Variations on a Theme by Thomas Tallis” I recommend), pictures of my daughter’s wedding, blogs on volcanoes/contrails, “intelligent” design, canvassers, religion.


“responds with a barrage of insults and bizarre accusations (such as “you are either uneducated or evil”)” – (some barrage) but only after enduring STREAMS OF ABUSE from people who are resolutely opposed to either REASON or LOOKING THINGS UP. Only YOU would think my accustion bizarre!

It IS EVIL to do HARM, and propagating LIES is HARMFUL.

“Classic misdirection” – (Yours) is being followed by MY REDIRECTION. Your answers to my posts NEVER QUESTION THE SCIENCE, NEVER argue the SCIENCE, NEVER even acknowledge the SCIENCE.

(You call Science “DISINFORMATION”!)

Let me tell you something.


If you have an enemy who is using WORKING SCIENCE to depopulate YOU, he is MORE LIKELY TO SUCCEED if YOUR UNDERSTANDING of Science is abysmally POOR.


And I don’t mean read up THE LIES YOU TELL EACH OTHER.


LEARN about the atmosphere. TRY to get a PROPER SENSE OF SCALE about the SIZE OF THE EARTH.

Read JANE’S AIRCRAFT so that you can UNDERSTAND more about aircraft design and stop making such fools of yourselves.



(A Roll of Honor)

For some time now (writing in May of 2009) I have been feeling less alone, and more heartened by others speaking up as I do against chemtard foolishness, but often more eloquently, or more wittily than I’m able to do, throwing in a lightness of touch which I both envy and admire, or cutting to the centre of a misperception with a rapier’s slash.


And so I introduce a heroine of mine, STARS15K, featuring both in YouTube and Contrailscience, who describes herself thus: “I’m just a middle-aged, middle-income, middle-American, dog-loving, wool spinning, fly-tying, sock knitting, married to the only man i ever dated, Grandma of two, cloud-freak. I’m so proud.”

That is real smart.

I’m going to add to this list, of course, because I have come across suitable candidates previously, but I dedicate it to STARS15K because, well, she probably can always head up such a list!

And what she writes here is really beautiful:

Real Science, has facts and is the same everywhere. CT theory doesn’t fit these criteria. Laws of gravity, thermodynamics, aerodynamics, fluid dynamics, physics, chemistry, meteorology can’t be repealed by any government or entity. They have to remain the same. When science shows the same results over and over again, it means that is a fact. When you have just facts, you know the truth. When you understand the truth, the sky is the sky again, clouds look like bunnies or Homer Simpson, colored sunsets are beautiful, and planes can leave signs of their passing overhead without fear and worry.



I would like to ask you why those who are in the meteorology/aviation field need to go through years of schooling when all one has to do is “look up” in order to understand what is happening as an airplane flies through varying weather conditions. If one can just simply rely on their eyes to explain complex weather movements and air masses, why go to school at all? Can’t you just imagine for a moment that these are complex concepts that require actual training to understand? Both meteorology and aviation are rare subjects to study and there are not many people in a given area who have learned about such subjects. Isn’t it possible that those you have learned from are uneducated in these subjects also?
Can I understand the complicated jet engine just by looking at it or do I need to study a bit to understand that it COMPRESSES the air it takes in and then mixes that high pressure air with fuel and ignites it to create thrust? To believe you understand the atmosphere and how all the elements work together, without studying from a source other than youtube (and other “websites”), is absurd. I hope you learn the truth someday, for your sake and the sake of your children. No one should live in fear of the lines in the sky when here there are billions of sources of pollution right down here on the ground to worry about. The funny, and ironic, FACT is that the trails hold LESS danger to you and your family than some of the water down here that is labeled fit for human consumption. You focus on the absurd while ignoring true dangers. If you fertilize your lawn, you are exposing your children to MUCH higher concentrations of dangerous substances than you can find in MILES of persistent contrails.

Please stop telling lies about people you know nothing about here, or on youtube. It makes you look foolish and paranoid. I really do hope you find the truth. I would hate to live in fear as you people obviously do.



(In his YouTube channel comments)

Yeah sure.

The government

keeps info about the real world

hidden from the population

in storage devices called “books”

kept in secret vaults known as “libraries”.



(Such a hero of mine. His site: CONTRAILSCIENCE.COM)

How is your belief as valid as mine? I think “The cloud photos in this 100 year old book are natural”.

You think “The cloud photos in this 100 year old book indicate the use of Tesla’s scalar energy used to modify the weather, a practice that has gone on for the last 100 years and continues today”.

To back up my belief (really a theory, but let’s call it a belief, no need for semantic arguments), I point out that the science of meteorology, as practised in every country in the world by hundreds of thousands of scientists, and as reported in tens of thousands of scientific articles and research papers, and verified by millions of experiments, and as followed by millions of amateur scientists and meteorologists, and modeled by thousands of weather forecasting systems, and taught in schools and universities, is entirely consistent with the photos in the book. In addition, the exact same clouds were observed hundreds (and even thousands) of years BEFORE the book was published.

To back up your belief, what? Tesla made vague mention of “scalar energy”, a technology that nobody has ever demonstrated by experiment in any way. Technology supposedly invented 100 years ago that no country in the entire world has ever used – despite its promise of “free” energy. Somehow this is being used to modify the weather of the entire planet – and you can offer no evidence other than “it seems like something they would cover up if they were doing it”.

Not all beliefs are equally valid. If I believed that clouds were the condensed breath of invisible dragons, then you would quite likely disagree. If you want your alternative beliefs to be taken seriously, you need to at least approach the degree of evidence that supports the mainstream beliefs.

59 Alto Waves (Alto-Stratus Undatus)


The reason we have not been able to find any legitimate proof that chemtrails exist is because they simply do not exist. The term is an internet creation to make condensation trails aka contrails sound more sinister.

When you actually look at the facts, as Uncinus proposes, you can see the argument in support of these chemtrails quickly reduces to nothing more than a bundle of pseudo-science, assumption, misguided correlations and unqualified uneducated personal testimony.

I have yet to find for myself one argument for the existence of these ‘chemtrails’ that does not skirt around the real results from real studies from real accredited sources. Instead, I have just found these arguments to resort to personal attacks and contradictory statements.

For example, how can you argue that the government is lying to us to cover this up and at the same time use government information taken out of context as the proof chemtrails exist? Logically, if this is the huge conspiracy, involving thousands of people, falsified studies and an extreme government cover up, wouldn’t the simplest thing these conspirators would do would be to remove those links to themselves?

Of course, this is speculation on my part and should be taken as such. I am not a professional of any kind in this matter and I don’t believe anyone should be convinced on my word alone just as I will never be convinced by your word alone.

What we do have, however, is science and legitimate information. Anyone can access these studies and weigh both sides of this argument and make an educated decision. For me the answer is simple; chemtrails do not exist and so this conspiracy does not exist.

Contrails do exist. Everyday, the number of airplanes in our skies increase as do the number of contrails left behind. Instead of trying to justify our paranoia with fictional conspiracies, we should be looking at what is actually going on in the world we create for ourselves.

Our air is polluted, our water is polluted, our earth is polluted, we don’t need to create something like chemtrails to prove this. Instead of creating government conspiracy in our minds we should acknowledge the real perpetrators, ourselves.

We drive the cars, we fly in the planes, and we ignore the effect each one of us has on the environment around us. No one wants to see the blood on our own hands, an enemy image is easier for us to justify than taking the blame for our own contribution to an increasingly polluted planet.

We desperately need to stop pointing fingers and start taking responsibility for our own actions.
We need to ask ourselves the hard question; What actions or in-actions am I taking that contribute to the problem and what am I doing to create a solution?

The answer is yours alone and yours to reconcile with yourself.

“As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities.” -Voltaire


Ahh, the catch cry of the liar and charlatan, got no proof, caught redhanded knee deep in bullshit, then start calling people a shill to try and divert.

Show some proof, retard. show the planes on the ground, show me the tankers transporting this stuff, show me the plants manufacturing this chemical.

You can’t because it’s all bullshit.

All you have is the same dumb-arse videos.  Go video rainbows in the sprinklers and drop some acid.

You can’t be any more brain damaged than you are already.




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“Who gave these people permission” – Nobody has.

“we are experimenting on a global scale” – “Nobody” IS. EVERYBODY IS.

“This (seeding the central oceans with phytoplankton fertilizer) is a BAD idea” – It’s the BEST IDEA IN YEARS.


“You say that CT’s are disinformation” – WHAT is MORE disinformative than NON-EXISTENCE?

“global warming is the reason” – We’re heading for an ICE AGE! (Or we were, before we burnt 300,000,000 years worth of fossil fuel in 200 years).

“You apparently did work for the government/making your motives questionable” – What do you know of my motives? If I tell you I had a further sixty jobs, does that make a difference? If you question my motives, should I care?


“Global Warming IS DISINFORMATION” – It possibly is; no-one has an equation which everyone can agree on. I take a Gaian point of view: the Living Earth will balance ALL unbalancing forces and/or finally ELIMINATE the unbalancing force. If that’s you, then more the fool you are.

“its a lie, to cover up the real motives at work here” – All men are liars. So are YOU if you pontificate… And as I know quite personally what I think, and also that you don’t know what I think, please allow me to call you a LIAR.


“The real reason is OIL” – There IS no “reason”, remember?

“The government/dedicated/oil industry” – You are SUCH a fool. You obviously believe in gov’t conspiracies etc. But HOW did YOU keep WARM this winter? Burnt some CARBON, DID YOU?


“They are not interested in CO2 reduction” – Funnily enough, that doesn’t seem to be true (either), partially because they believe their own propaganda.

“They only want to treat the symptom not the cause” – The CAUSE is YOU. You, me and every other dumb clutz that MUST have a computer, keep warm, go to work, have children, “settle down”, celebrate Xmas, visit the relatives, read a book after sunset…. 





These are PERSISTENT CONTRAILS. One of these pictures is 67 YEARS OLD… 


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Hi piasillo. No, I’m an ex-engineer retired in Tenerife and composing music. Look me up.
Lung and skin diseases are caused by pollens+auto fumes+photoreactive smog, and can kill the young and old.
1500 active volcanoes (24/7) make Man’s efforts puny by comparison. Living plants have been turning THIS into FRESH AIR for 3 billion years. Worry about auto fumes, photoreactive smog, deforestation, and loss of ocean phytoplankton. Be reasonable. 


“in movies up until the 90’s” – You mean, before CHEAP and PLENTIFUL air travel.

“When I was a kid/dissipate” – NOT TRUE. When you were a kid, you weren’t making the (false) connections you are making today. In 1943 the US Flying Fortresses were being shot doen in their HUNDREDS as a consequence of PERSISTENT CONTRAILS!


“Today they stay” – THOUSANDS of large aircraft are ADDING WATER TO THE STRATOSPHERE.

You MIGHT EXPECT the INCREASE in saturation of the stratosphere to produce an INCREASE in the persistence of contrails. 




Problems are going to confront our species from time to time.

It is said (by those best qualified to understand the problem) that it was already too late to prevent Global Warming in the seventies, when at that time those best qualified to understand were predicting the onset of the next Ice Age. Ah, well!

Kyoto and its “cap and trade” carbon agreements are threatening to become as much of a disaster as the events it is intended to obviate.

This is possibly because there are other activities which may be carried out which may also be used to prevent disaster, which presently have a very low priority.

These are:

a) to adopt measures which help us to adapt to the changing conditions, and

b) to adopt measures which work in the opposite way to global warming, like seeding the sky with droplet nucleii and causing more clouds, thus raising the albedo of the Earth and cooling it, or fertilize the mid-oceans, causing phytoplankton to absorb more CO2.

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Q & A

“finally admit to the spraying of aerosols” – I’m a retired engineer living in Tenerife. I have NO money, and NO income either. Aerosols exist in the air, naturally, from volcanoes and animals and plants. They have been found as high in the atmosphere as any plane has flown. There are NO signs on planes or airfields of unusual (and corrosive!) fluids. Such fluids would make the plane DANGEROUS. Eventually, if not immediately, it would CRASH.

“all u do is debunk the word chemtrail, nothing else” – I’m hurt. On my channel there were 13 musical works. My Favourites were there for you to enjoy, as were my playlists. You could have found me, if you cared to look, on other science forums, discussing internal combustion engine design and arguing FOR Evolution on YT, and you’ll find other video sites, and many other music sites. There were a 1000 hits for me in Google (that’s now 7000, but I’ve amended the text to account from my YouTube ban, and other bans).

“debunk your goverment programming” – That would be the Spanish government? (I live in Tenerife!)

“u will see the truth” – NO-ONE has seen THAT! Certainly not you, you dumb clutz.



“random videos in your channel 2 make it look as though your an average guy” – Gee – thanks! Learn to spell. Then f*** off.

“You have just started doing that as people became suspicious” – Er, NO. If you look up myspace.com/jazzroc you’ll find out MUCH MORE about me, friends, pictures, wedding, classical music, blogs, etc. And check out SoundClick/Beachcomber, you’ll find more, and GarageBand/JazzRoc, and Esnips under Beachcomber/Jazzroc.

All of this PRECEDES my YouTube account.


“Ive talked to many older ppl & NONE remember seeing these” – Free of obsessions they went about their business without looking up…

“”blue light scattering” EVERY SINGLE TIME” – The SUN and the STRATOSPHERE are there EVERY SINGLE TIME, so how could it be otherwise? The Sun has risen over every patch of the Earth (excluding inside of the polar circles) for 4.6 billion years…

“You spooks are professional bullshitters!” – “You” and “are” are the ONLY non-bullshit words in your sentence. I’m just an unemployed and semi-retired person living comfortably in Tenerife…   …and you’re DEFINITELY an amateur one…

In fact you seem to make a practice of being WRONG EVERY TIME. Is that YOUR profession? Remember: learn to spell, then… 


Chemtrails don’t exist!

The reasoning (that contrails disperse quickly, and that which doesn’t is a chemtrail) is FALSE because SIXTY-FOUR YEARS AGO in WW2 US Flying Fortresses were hunted down by their persistent trails, which are always left in HUMID stratospheric (NB.: NOT tropospheric!) conditions.

The reasoning that Xes and grid patterns signify something proves to be FALSE because it can be easily demonstrated that shuttle traffic and crossing routes create these, and no further significance need be inferred. To go beyond that is to seriously enter the land of Oz.

The reasoning that we are being sprayed proves to be FALSE because the stratosphere (where it is said to occur) is TOO HIGH to target anything accurately, and passenger planes have no apparatus other than fuel dump nozzles to do it with. Engines would STERILIZE “morgellons”, and be PUT OUT by metal powders, so THAT idea is FALSE.

The reasoning that the US government is fighting Global Warming using AL/BA is FALSE because the operation is LOGISTICALLY BEYOND what the US govt can provide both in aircraft, fuel, and material. 3.4 million tons and 70,000 flights would be required for “treatment”…

The reasoning that “morgellons” is being used to depopulate the United States and the rest of the world, aside similar logistic objections (and 2000 deg exhaust temps), is FALSE because NO-ONE in peace-time (except maybe a child/moron!) is going to go out in the morning in protective clothing and spray his own people.

What assurances would they have to accept before they did this?

So now we’ve covered nearly everything, which TOTALLY CRAP idea would you like to RETURN to?

Why don’t you just tell me that “chemtrails” can be easily sampled by placing a tray on the ground? FALSE

It’s all rubbish, and by some accident the proponents have survived this world so far… a world which would have been a far, far better place without this weasel, Clifford Carnicom… 


“100’s of chemtrail photos from a one hour period in my local sky” – You live near an airport…

“trails that start and stop for no reason” – FALSE. Stratospheric layers with differing temperatures and humidities.

“linger indefinitely” – The layer is 100% humid.

“grow into WILD feathery or crystalline shapes” – CIRRUS cloud.

“Many were sprayed” – BASELESS LIE.

“normal contrails” – A layer less than 100% humid.

“RESEARCH CHEMTRAILS if you have questions” – And you’ll get LIES for an answer.

If you want TRUTH then you must RESEARCH CONTRAILS. Remember to use ADVANCED SEARCH and “-CHEMTRAILS” if you are genuinely looking for anything sensible… 


It’s true. The States needs another political party.

It should be called the RESTITUTION PARTY.


When in power it should lock up the Bush Cabal and throw away the key, then take the USA out of Iraq, apologising as it leaves. It should then disarm its people and hand its useful arms to the UN, thereby paying its bill.

It should then adopt a RENEWABLE FUEL policy, and compensate all the countries whose people it has murdered.

But don’t think that I’m on YOUR side.

I’ll NEVER side with a bunch of ignorant liars who don’t know which side is up when it comes to the nature and the DANGERS of contrails.

The story’s been written – CHICKEN LITTLE!



“the cockpit would be empty” – This technology has been employed by aircraft for FORTY YEARS. What sort of revelation is THAT?

“I have a hard time believing our own people would do this to us” – Of ALL your hypocritical statements this is the best.

“Maybe jazzroc is a pilot?” – I last wanted to be a fighter pilot when I was fifteen. Then I decided I’d rather NOT FLY into danger until it became absolutely necessary. Dating had something to do with it.

“started criss crossing the skys” – Fast-moving and damp and yet TRANSPARENT stratosphere, crossing passenger shuttle routes are WETTING IT. Learn to spell.

“donuts” – Their correct technical name is PENDULES.

“quicker into clouds” – Because they ARE clouds, of FALLING ice crystals. Normally known as CIRRUS.

“It doesn’t matter what you believe” – in the case of SCIENCE, NO it doesn’t!

“darkness/decieve/fool/traitor/poison/nanobots/whatever” – Get that STAKE out and BURN ME.

GenuineBull – “exposers/crime” – “TO ALL OUR CUSTOMERS”. Genuine (can I CALL you Genuine?) I LIKE a guy who gets it out on the table…

“don’t pay JazzRoc A.K.A. (Epoxynous) any mind” – What’s to say? Epoxynous is an individual who co-manages a website in the States, JazzRoc is a retired Welsh gentleman in Tenerife.

“He’s been around a long time” – Yes. I am SIXTY FIVE years old, bass-guitarist, pianist, jet-engine tester, designer, COMPOSER. I, like Orwell, believe that in a time of UNIVERSAL DECEIT the TRUTH is a REVOLUTIONARY ACT (consult my site, also MySpace).

“sole purpose/deceive/cast doubt/not yet woken up” – A TRUTH REVERSAL.

“He believes he will not be judged but he will have his part in the lake of fire” – I’m sorry but I am NOT INTERESTED in things that CANNOT be SEEN, HEARD, SMELLED, TASTED, or FELT. Your mind disgusts me. (Another guy who talks past you).

“idiots who don’t know/difference/contrail/chemtrail/screw off/Hilton/video” – It’s a FREE world, but if you’d rather bash the Bishop I shan’t stop you.

“Don’t bother giving us your textbook explanations” – You? In particular? I’d rather give them to someone rational… it’s the best use for a BOOK.

“have not yet woken up/care about their lives and their loved ones” – Hmmm. Afraid to come out in the open? Agorophobic? The best cure for that is to OPEN THE DOOR, walk outside in to the OPEN AIR and take a BIG, DEEP, BREATH. Go walk the dog… … IT WON’T KILL YOU …



Rick, Harriet, you may think you are caring people, but your activities are contributing to damaging our society from within because the both of you are hopelessly wrong.

Clifford Carnicom is an evil person who should be denounced as a Machiavelli, a malingerer, a pseudo-scientist. You are wrong to give such a person support. He is a true terrorist who is preying upon your scientific and factual ignorance.

Persistent contrails have been known and photographed for sixty-eight years. Skies first turned white (all over) during the high-altitude close-formation 1000-bomber raids conducted by the USAF Flying Fortresses and Liberators over Germany between 1943 and 1945.

Internal combustion engines, whether they are 2,000 BHP radials or 40,000lb thrust gas turbine fanjets, produce carbon dioxide and steam at 2,000 deg F as exhaust products, with minuscule amounts of soot, and oxides of nitrogen and sulfur.

The (invisible!) steam in the exhaust meets stratospheric air at -40 deg F and in a fraction of a second turns to fine ice crystals. Depending on the relative humidity of this stratospheric air, these crystals may (i) sublime to invisible water vapour (ii) persist indefinitely, or (iii) increase in size as they pick up additional water from supersaturated air.

From seven miles beneath it isn’t possible to discern the transition from what you would call “normal” air to “stratospheric” air, for, of course, both types of air are normally transparent. Nor is it possible to distinguish easily whether or not aircraft are sharing the same altitude.

“Stratum” is the Latin for “layer” and might clue you in to the fact that the stratosphere is layered. These layers normally exhibit differing humidities – they do not mix with each other, nor do they mix with the troposphere – the “normal” air beneath the stratosphere. Hence aircraft flying at various heights through the stratosphere may appear to exhibit all three behaviours I have described – all at the same time.

Couple this with the fact that the air of the stratosphere is so cold and thin that its capacity to absorb sublimed ice as water vapor is greatly reduced compared with its capacity at sea level, and modern passenger aircraft are dumping a ton of ice every twenty miles, and it shouldn’t be difficult to envisage that heavy air traffic might fill a stratospheric layer with ice crystals. Each day the Earth’s stratosphere HAS to deal with a fresh load of 1,00,000 tons of jet aircraft ice…

So, “this most evil of assaults” is actually WATER…

Now I’m no fan of the Patriot act, but it seems to me that “this most evil of assaults” (yours!) falls well within its parameters. I should watch it if I were you. Perhaps you should stop what you are doing and pick up a book on atmospheric science and educate yourself before less sympathetic people undertake THEIR newly-drafted responsibilities to educate you. Those orange suits aren’t fetching and taking their “baths” looks uncomfortable.

MY BLOG contains much useful information which may both quell your fears and save the both of you from a lot of trouble. 


The WHOLE of the atmosphere ALWAYS contains WATER.

Whether you’re looking at a cloud or at clear air, there’s actually the SAME AMOUNT OF WATER IN BOTH. The difference in visibility between clouds and sky is simply due to their DIFFERING amounts of heat and water droplet proportions. As far as my eye can see there’s a cloudless sky here, and the rel humidity is 65%.

I’m looking at 3,300 tons of invisible WATER in my sky RIGHT NOW.