Trails didn’t exist back then…

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TRAILS DIDN’T EXIST BACK THEN… – “TRUTH ORIGINS” – VOLCANIC ASS, ER, ASH – WHAT? – WATTS UP WITH THAT? – WHY BOTHER? – WHY? – WILLFULLY IGNORANT – WILL THOMAS AND TINFOIL HATS – WILSON – WOOLLY

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A cry so frequently made it needs a rebuttal:

Films

http://www.imdb.com/SearchGoofs?for=contrail&Go.x=23&Go.y=11&Go=Go

12 stulyev (1971) – the steamer disguised as loaders, a jet contrail is visible in the…
Abominable Dr. Phibes, The (1971)  – Aeroplane Club, the contrails of high-flying aircraft can be seen…
Back to the Future Part III (1990)  – Aircraft contrails visible when the horses are pulling the…
Bend of the River (1952)  – Several shots of Mt. Hood reveal jet contrails across the…
Blazing Saddles (1974) – quicksand, an aircraft contrail is visible in the corner, in the…
Cheyenne Autumn (1964) – outpost, jet contrails can be seen in the skies.
Cowboys, The (1972) – Jet contrails near the beginning.
Gettysburg (1993) – Contrail over Tom Chamberlain’s head just before he,
violins on his way to go talk to confederate captives, a contrail…
“Divan, Le” (1987) – Contrail visible in the sky behind Joseph while the…
“Kisváros” (1993) – down a long dirt road, there’s a clearly visible contrail from a…
“All My Children” (1970) – Jet Contrail Visible at very top of screen in opening shot.

Videos:

“TRUTH ORIGINS”

Are Chemtrails Making You Feel ‘Under the Weather’?
May 15, 2007 by Truth Origins

In the past number of years the appearance of a suspicious type of activity in the skies have been reported by countless people which have coined these emissions Chemtrails. It is important to understand Chemtrails differ from typical contrails in their high degree of persistence and subsequent spreading which appears as though a chemical substances are deliberately being released. The reasoning the existence of these and those behind who may be behind them are subject to an ever increasing debate and flurry of conspiracy theories.

There is however a claim made by a growing body of scientists and researchers that what we are witnessing is something completely out of the ordinary which is much more sinister that a simple contrail left by normal aircraft. Chemtrails have been shown time and time again to differ substantially in their configuration from contrails, as they are supposedly not about getting from point A to point B, but, rather, dispersing some type of substance as is proven by the thousands of independent images from sources around the world.

Contrails and Chemtrails – The Difference

According to the U.S. Air Force report published on Rense, jet contrails form above 33,000 feet when hot engine exhaust momentarily condenses ice crystals into pencil-thin vapor trails that quickly vanish like the wake behind a boat. Chemtrails (CTs) look like contrails initially, but are much thicker, extend across the sky and are often laid down in varying patterns of Xs, tick-tack-toe grids, cross-hatched and parallel lines. Instead of quickly dissipating, chemtrails expand and drip feathers and mare’s tails. In 30 minutes or less, they open into wispy formations which join together, forming a thin white veil or a “fake cirrus-type cloud” that persists for hours.

Who is behind Chemtrails?

A scientist working at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, who insisted on anonymity, broke his silence and said that two different secret projects are being conducted. One involved cloud creation experiments to lessen the effect of global warming. The other involved radiation reflection off clouds in conjunction with the military’s High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) in Alaska.

The scientist claims that the two most common substances being sprayed into chemtrails are aluminum oxide and barium stearate. When you see planes flying back and forth marking parallel lines, X-patterns and grids in a clear sky, that’s aluminum oxide, according to the scientist. The goal is to create an artificial sunscreen to reflect solar radiation back into space to alleviate global warming.

The amount of information available on weather modification and defense applications surrounding the HAARP project proves that chemtrails aren’t so secret after all. Public documents have trickled out of government offices and committees for the last 50 years. And the most valuable cache of data about weather-control efforts is freely available from a very reliable source: the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

Many people are speculating that the reality of chemtrails is much more sinister that previously thought. Some of the theories being promoted is that there is a plan to rid the world of ‘useless eaters’ by slow poisoning which is part of a bigger plan called the New World Order. Others are claiming that chemtrails are causing the rise of Morgellon’s Disease, the increase in allergies and flu and also the disappearance of bees. Is it any surprise that in the absence of hard data that conspiracy theories would fill the void?

Acknowledgements: Jeff Rense Chemtrail Central Chemtrail Data Center

Posted in Chemtrails, Conspiracy | 1 Comment

on March 5, 2009 at 10:45 am  JazzRoc

Who is behind Chemtrails? You are. You have published this, no doubt encouraged to do so by others no less ignorant than you.

A scientist working at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, who insisted on anonymity, broke his silence and said that two different secret projects are being conducted. One involved cloud creation experiments to lessen the effect of global warming. The other involved radiation reflection off clouds in conjunction with the military’s High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) in Alaska.

Secret projects have been conducted. To do so required a single test run for each project. The “cloud creation experiment” would not have been conducted world-wide because that would have required twenty million tons of aluminum and four hundred and eighty thousand tanker flights. You haven’t the faintest idea how large the Earth is. The barium stearate experiment conducted in Alaska was conducted once or twice. It would have needed a rocket, not a plane.

The amount of information available on weather modification and defense applications surrounding the HAARP project proves that chemtrails aren’t so secret after all. Public documents have trickled out of government offices and committees for the last 50 years. And the most valuable cache of data about weather-control efforts is freely available from a very reliable source: the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

Do you know what proportion of patented ideas get applied? I thought not. Not one in a thousand…

Many people are speculating that the reality of chemtrails is much more sinister that previously thought. Some of the theories being promoted is that there is a plan to rid the world of ‘useless eaters’ by slow poisoning which is part of a bigger plan called the New World Order. Others are claiming that chemtrails are causing the rise of Morgellon’s Disease, the increase in allergies and flu and also the disappearance of bees. Is it any surprise that in the absence of hard data that conspiracy theories would fill the void?

Getting rid of the “useless eaters” seems like a good idea, if “chemtrail theorists” were to be placed at the top of the list. Morgellons Disease has a three hundred year-old history, so what sorts of chemmy labs and aircraft were used in those times? There is NO absence of hard data: contrails have been analyzed since 1953 and been found to contain ICE. Just LOOK IT UP!

If you want to speculate on something, why don’t you try your FINANCIAL SYSTEM?

And yes, “chemtrails” DO make me feel under the weather. It is depressing that the Earth is so full of idiots as it meets a crisis of overpopulation.

VOLCANIC ASS, ER, ASH

A spring interlude at contrailscience.com:
Rob
Hi, Just wondering, should the Eyjafjallajökullbjörksdöttir volcano continue to erupt for an extended period of time, is there anything that can be done to reinstate air travel over Northern Europe sooner? Is there for example any way that some type of filtering system could be fitted to jet engines to mitigate the effects of volcanic ash?  Are propellor planes less susceptible to the effects of volcanic ash than jets; if so maybe more of these could be pressed into service?  I know these aren’t contrail related questions, but I know that you’re a pilot so I thought you’d be a good person to ask!

captfitch
No – filters would not work.  Props are only slightly less susceptible but only because they tend to operate at lower altitiudes.  They still have the same ingestion problems.  The problem with ash, especially in this case, is that it is so extremely terrible for aircraft that ideally you should have ash free skies for a few days just to make sure there isn’t any around.  You could take a gamble and fly, trying to visually avoid the ash but if you do manage to fly safely can you really call the all-clear?  Are you willing to be the one who says “everything is fine”? What if the next day someone has a flame-out at twenty thousand feet and has to pull a Sully into the English Channel?  Liability much?  Sorry- everyone is stuck for a while. Just wait until 2012 when the sun starts acting up. If it even only slightly messes with the GPS network the whole planet’s air travel is going to be really messed up.

Rob
Thanks for that; I did think they were probably naive questions!  I really do love air travel (I was lucky enough to be on one of the last Concorde flights from New York to London), but I have to say it’s been blissfully quiet the last few days living as I do directly below the flightpaths of both LHR and LCY.  Ironically though, I developed a sore throat the very morning after the planes stopped flying; I guess I’m having chemtrail withdrawal ;o)

Anonymous
What do you mean about the sun acting up in 2012, Captfitch? Thanks for posting this, Uncinus.

Uncinus
The solar cycle peak is actually forecast for May 2013, but people like to say 2012 because of the movie, and the Mayan calendar urban legend.  http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/29may_noaaprediction/  “Even a below-average cycle is capable of producing severe space weather,” points out Biesecker. “The great geomagnetic storm of 1859, for instance, occurred during a solar cycle of about the same size we’re predicting for 2013.”  The 1859 storm–known as the “Carrington Event” after astronomer Richard Carrington who witnessed the instigating solar flare–electrified transmission cables, set fires in telegraph offices, and produced Northern Lights so bright that people could read newspapers by their red and green glow.  A recent report by the National Academy of Sciences found that if a similar storm occurred today, it could cause $1 to 2 trillion in damages to society’s high-tech infrastructure and require four to ten years for complete recovery.  For comparison, Hurricane Katrina caused “only” $80 to 125 billion in damage.

wonderwhy
can i ask you Uncinus what is your view on what will happen on 2012/2013?

JazzRoc
captfitch: “No – filters would not work. Props are only slightly less susceptible but only because they tend to operate at lower altitiudes. They still have the same ingestion problems. The problem with ash, especially in this case, is that it is so extremely terrible for aircraft” engines.  Volcanic dust is a talcum-like material which melts to a glass at combustion temperatures, dense amounts of it lengthen the time before complete fuel combustion to a point where it has passed the exhaust turbine, to cause instability and flame-out.  Lesser amounts erode the exhaust turbine blades as they glass-coat them and will render them off-balance. Basically the engine gets trashed.  The volcanic dust cloud also does something to the air itself in a static electrical manner. It appears to behave as if were a thunderstorm and at night an aircraft passing through it glows with “St. Elmo’s Fire”.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVI0yLxFdHM

Uncinus
I think there wil be an increase in solar activity.  Beyond that there’s not a lot that can be guaranteed.  Contrails will be about the same.  What do you think?

sovereignpatriotusa
Here’s what I think…Due to the solar flare activity which will cause major problems for the majority of technological society, several measures will be implemented by the military/security apparatus.  The DUMB (deep underground military base) sites around the U.S. will be filled to capacity with their full compliment of military and civilian occupants, to act as a ’seed population’ to ride out whatever hell is occurring on the surface before they “start over” the “New World (Order)”. http://www.indavideo.hu/video/Morgan_Freeman_az_elnok (clip from ‘Deep Impact’ used as predictive programming, where Morgan Freeman playing Obama tells Americans they are under Martial Law as the ‘chosen’ are put into the DUMBs. .)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M-YYIDeEvs (Part 1/6 of Gov. Jesse Ventura’s show – episode dealing with the massive increase in bunker building by military and civilian contractors for military purposes – with 2012 solar storm as impetus). As martial law is imposed, FEMA will be used to manage the populations through ‘executive orders’ controlling every aspect of your life, even permitting them to put you to work in labor camps.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZsZLJUIvDs (news clip about FEMA’s powers)  The elite guarantee themselves biological diversity in the food supply using subterranean hydroponic grow chambers in the DUMBS fed by the Arctic ‘Doomsday Vault’.  http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/11/tech/main6288108.shtml  There’s obviously more to the picture, but it would takes much more space to list all the documentation. If anybody is interested, visit my Gootube channel and message me.  Stay Sovereign!  SPUSA

Uncinus
Getting a little off topic here, but …. SP, would you care to wager $100 on any of that happening, say by the end of 2013? Because I’ll happily bet you $100 it won’t happen.  You know this solar cycle maximum is forecast to be the lowest for 70 years, right?

JazzRoc
SPUSA, here’s what I think: http://www.religioustolerance.org/dc_jones.htm and raise you a hundred.  Wonder why, “wonderwhy”…

sovereignpatriotusa
Are you guys saying I made up the things I listed as possibilities for 2012 & beyond (with the caveat that I see the advanced progression towards these scenarios as my bet they will happen)?  Or are you saying I am mis-interpreting how they all fit together in the final analysis?  Or just trying to get in a low jibe with the Jim Jones cult remark- an out-of-nowhere left field attempt to discredit by implied association?  Forecasts aren’t guarantees, like your buddy wants to keep clinging to as his point about the footage I shot, as he claims that both the item in my video and all the others I sighted that year were CHA rainbows. So no matter what they say about 70 years worth of data, they can’t promise anything.  And I bet I’m not going to even want your $100 Federal Reserve Note, which will probably be so decimated in the next econo-terror scheme that they can finally sink and replace it with their ‘Special Drawing Rights’ world reserve ‘currency’, or the North American Union currency the Amero (or a variant )  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98
as the U.S. is blended with its continental partners with a complete loss of National Sovereignty.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vda1KRF75M  Specifically which of the items I present do you claim is wrong?  Stay Sovereign!  SPUSA

Uncinus
Well, I’ll take 1 ounce of gold then, or a gun, whatever you think is worth wagering.  The point is – how much do you actually believe these possibilities? Would you actually bet something of value on them being correct? Or do you really only ascribe them a fringe possibility, basically the same as everyone else?  Put your money where you mouth is.  What exactly do you think will happen by the end of 2013?

Faithinscience
I’d like to get in on that bet!

MyMatesBrainwashed
It’s gonna happen like Armageddon I tell ya!!!!!!  Only fools have fallen for the disinfo of Deep Impact.
I don’t wanna close my eyes,
I don’t wanna fall asleep,
‘Cause I’d miss you, babe.
And I don’t wanna miss a thing.

sovereignpatriotusa
I would say I ‘believe’ in these possibilities at least as much & as far as the governments and corporations themselves are going to make preparations for them – which is to say a great deal.  If I were a leading member of the world’s elite financial oligarchy, what would be my mindset? Well, it is an easy first step to say that I want to use my wealth & power to acquire more wealth & power.  More for me & mine, less for everyone else.  You do not get to be among the higher-hanging fruit of financial and political elite without an aggressive type A personality that seeks to dominate and subjugate those around you.  If you aren’t up to the task, you are quickly replaced by somebody who is.  There’s no point in having power you don’t use, is there? Knowing all this, combined with the in-the-open plans and declarations for world government that they themselves make (documentary Invisible Empire  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO24XmP1c5E ), I would decide I have to keep a very open mind about what THEIR potential and possibilities are.  Among other things, I personally enjoy strategic wargames (such as those in the Total War series) because they are a very illuminating microcosm of the factors and decisions necessary to unite empires, and be a conquering faction.  The strategic and tactical thinking necessary to win these games is the same that is applied on a larger scale in the global scheme.   So my predictions come from ‘reading the signs’ i.e. being observant of current affairs and historical evidence.  And it’s going to come to a head. There will have to be another ‘crisis’ of some sort to further progress the New World Order agenda, as fear and coercion are the tools used to drive a population – the same sort of leverage which allows a small force to move a greater force in the physical world.  This means that whether or not there are natural record breaking solar storms, polar shifts, or not, the NWO will HAVE to seize the opportunity of global expectations for their next move (if something isn’t planned sooner).  Maybe even going so far as to incite, exacerbate, or wholly contrive further disaster scenarios as the leverage necessary for incremental implementation of the next phase towards the gradual progression towards a fully chipped population, cashless total surveillance society & global slave plantation.  Here’s an interesting Harvard lecture on the idea of ‘Who Owns Me?’, and why forced taxation is really the same as slave labor. http://forum-network.org/lecture/free-choose-who-owns-me  Do you own you, or does the state own you?  Do the unelected banking elite own you?  Find out.  I realize we are in the next galaxy from ‘Volcano clears skies of Contrails’, which I would actually love to see progress as a thread as this unique opportunity unfolds in the U.K., so make of my answer what you will.  What will be worth wagering? I’ll tell you what’s not worth wagering.  My country’s freedom and national sovereignty in exchange for being part of an ‘economic community’ under the direction of corrupt bankster cartels.  What about you? Wager a gun? Your socialist president Obama is giving the U.N. its small arms ban, so maybe there won’t be any 2nd amendment left to own guns. Have to wait and see on that one.  I’d love to wager something at least, because truthfully I’d love to be wrong about ALL this stuff.  I WOULD LOVE TO BE WRONG.  But if wishes were pennies I’d be a trillionaire, and I can’t wish away the reality of the documented evidence, and the self-proclaimed agendas of the elites.  Peace out for now.  Stay Sovereign!  SPUSA  I just couldn’t resist driving home the point regarding the guns with this news clip reminder of what happened in New Orleans. All homeowners even adjacent to the devastated areas were forcibly disarmed by U.S. troops (and corporate Blackwater, now Xe).  This proves that FEMA will throw your 2nd amendment into the garbage just when you need and deserve it (the ability to defend yourself in times of crisis).  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8 National Guard Confiscates Guns  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4   Gun confiscation the untold story of Katrina.  Remember, ALL slave and victim populations were first disarmed by the powers-that-be.  Even WW2 would be written different if every Jew was not only allowed to carry a rifle, but perhaps were required to become proficient and responsible with it.  Response-able.  Able to respond.  Just like those of us who are aware of this information, are responsible for sharing and spreading it – just like was done time and time in the past when tyrannies gained a foothold over society, and educated able-bodied citizenry rose up to stop it.  Stay Sovereign!  SPUSA

JazzRoc
SPUSA, what is it that makes you think that forseeing scenarios is an ability uniquely your own? I always thought that THAT ability (coupled with the use of accurate language) was HUMAN, and common to us all.  It’s a combination of THAT ability with education that should enable us to AVOID any dangers in the first place. We have been progressively upping the ante ever since we started to use fire. We warmed ourselves with it even though there was the danger of being burnt to death.  It is OBVIOUSLY important that humanity is becoming increasingly reliant upon technology, and, just as with fire, must BALANCE its general knowledge to keep up with it. Otherwise we might “burn”.  In this case, you haven’t done so. Your level of technical understanding is too low to see that persistent spreading contrails are simply made of ice. Your “awareness” leads you progressively astray thereafter.  It’s a pity, for all you do if you start from such a mistake is propagate a cascade of misinformation which causes damage to the very social awareness we all need to protect.  Stop doing harm.

WHAT?

“exclusive photos of chemtrail activity in the skies” – NO. There’s just a few contrails through and around cirrus clouds.

“Crystalline cloud structures form from the trails” – NO. Just cirrus clouds.

“some of us just want to know what is going on” – NO YOU DON’T. IF YOU DID YOU WOULD HAVE FOUND OUT WHAT I’VE JUST TOLD YOU.

“trails in criss cross pattern clearly form clouds” – A contrail IS a cloud – OF FINE ICE CRYSTALS AT -40 TO -80 DEG C.

“patterns form clouds shown right along side regular cumulus clouds” – NO. In the stratosphere ABOVE the cumulus. MILES above!

“right amongst cumulus clouds” – NO. ABOVE!

“trail crosses/forms circle/another right through” – Chance associations near airport.

“spreading grid pattern of trails” – Regular passenger shuttle traffic contrails.

“V pattern spread out like growing crystals/contrail splits in three” – Cirrus spreads normally.

“contrail stops dead/numerous other trails visible” – Stratosphere layer slows.

“spraying away” – BASELESS LIE.

“persisted indefinitely/persisted until sunset” – Cirrus DOES in 100% humid air.

“watching them spray” – BASELESS LIE.

“If these are just contrails that form ONLY under very specific conditions” – WRONG. CONTRAILS ALWAYS FORM IN THE STRATOSPHERE. The trail may SUBLIME to INVISIBLE water vapor if the stratospheric layer humidity is LESS than 100%.

“Why do these chemtrails ALWAYS persist for hours, when contrails only last seconds?” – IT IS CONTRAILS THAT PERSIST FOR HOURS IF THE STRATOSPHERIC LAYER HUMIDITY IS 100% OR GREATER. CHEMTRAILS DON’T EXIST AT ALL.

“Don’t play dumb” – THAT IS YOUR GAME. You are a SELF-DECLARED “EXPERT” who has NOT FOLLOWED YOUR OWN ADVICE AND RESEARCHED ESTABLISHED AND WELL-UNDERSTOOD ATMOSPHERIC PHYSICS.

“Distant Early Warning” – of WEATHER.

“Red Alert” – Liar alert.

“Does anyone notice!” – YES. I SEE A LIAR APPROACHING.

“Real clouds look like this” – Cumulus.

“Not like this” – Cirrus.

“Absolam” – ?

“Why won’t they tell us” – They do. You call it chicanery.

“What’s going on” – A private liar makes a lying video to increase his hits and thereby his income.

WATTS UP WITH THAT?

I’m pleased to welcome “Watts up with That? – a site which provides a fascinating and informed overview on the atmosphere, characterizing itself as a “Commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, weather, climate change, technology, and recent news”, edited by Anthony Watts and a small team of co-workers.
I feel sure that it’s bound to be able to carry on describing and supplying information on Earth’s atmosphere well beyond the point where I’m forced to stop…

Its current posts (May 2009) are:

April Global Temperature Anomalies: RSS Steady, UAH dropped over 50%
WUWT Poll: Do we need a “National Climate Service”?
NOAA Space Weather Prediction Center – News Conference Friday
Sun blasts a CME, the question though: will we see a Cycle 24 spot?
The Global Warming Hypothesis and Ocean Heat
A note to WUWT readers; an experiment
Dealing with climate change in the context of other, more urgent threats to human and environmental well-being
Jim Hansen calls Cap and Trade the “Temple of Doom”
Founding director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change: ‘Time to ditch consensus’
Eco Sailors Rescued by “Big Oil” Tanker:
Downbursts and the Dallas Cowboys training facility collapse
Unprecedented Incoherence In The Ice Message
NatGeo: Sun Oddly Quiet – Hints at Next “Little Ice Age”?
Sugar coated consumerism or just plain crap?

You will find it in my LINKS to the top right of the page…

WHY BOTHER?

Mash – “why do you bother?”
You’re WRONG – scientifically, logically and practically.
You’re spreading fear, confusion, and distrust of science.
Your conduct MAY encourage civil disobedience and violence if civil order is threatened by some other mishap.
You RISK being partially-responsible for the deaths of thousands of people FOR NO GOOD REASON WHATSOEVER.

WHY?

“why arguing” YOUR THEORY IS INCORRECT.

“why even in here” BLAME THE BARD OF ELY.

“part of your job” NO.

“working for someone” NO.

“brief to debunk operation” NO.

“who are you” myspace.com/jazzroc

“time on your hands for this work” YES.

“obsessed with what we think” YOUR MISTAKE IS DANGEROUS FOR EVERYONE.

WILLFULLY IGNORANT

“anyone/thinks/just contrails/willfully ignorant” – OK, so your experience is greater than mine, hm? GREATER THAN FIFTY YEARS, is it?

“watch/spray/hours later/expands/blankets/sky” – A contrail falling through saturated air does that. First photographed in 1940.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m18/JazzRoc/Contrails/stpauls.jpg

“clifford carnicom/scientist” – NO. He is a FRAUD and a LIAR.

“explains what he has found” – In a TRAY laid on the GROUND.

“chemtrails/just like/9/11” – YES. Bollocks in both cases.

“You need to dig the topic” – NO. YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT DIGGING MEANS.

“Just one thing to think about” – Uh, uh. MUCH MORE than ONE THING.

“small cloud/550 ton” – I’ve seen THAT figure quoted before. I am absolutely SURE you don’t know how to work that one out. What do you MEAN by a “small cloud”. You’re talking bullshit. You obviously believe that water is ONLY found in clouds, when IN FACT there is NO DIFFERENCE in WATER CONTENT between BLUE SKY and CLOUD.

“biggest planes carry 250 ton/fuel” – And that 250 tons of kerosine can precipitate EIGHTY THOUSAND TONS OF ICE into the sky!

“Water/visible effect/contrails/only part/engine exhaust” – You’re correct here, but for the WRONG REASON.

“impossible to make these long “clouds” with only water from fuel” – SO IT IS. The EXTRA WATER comes out of the SUPERSATURATED AIR, about which you KNOW NOTHING.

THERE. That’s where your reasoning has led you astray. Your ignorance. But it is your FOOLISHNESS in broadcasting your ignorance to the confusion of other dimwits like you that I take exception to…

WILL THOMAS & TINFOIL HATS

Rants & Whispers – Willthomasonline’s Weblog
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WILLIAM THOMAS DISCUSSES CHEMTRAILS WITH MERIA HELLER
By willthomasonline 10/26/07

William Thomas discusses chemtrails with Meria Heller, who says:

“Will Thomas is an author, journalist, photographer and filmmaker. We discuss his excellent book “Chemtrails Confirmed”. chemtrail awakening, sign the chemtrail petitions on his site; USAF new fleet of aerial tanker planes; Visual stealth technology; people only see what’s in their consciousness; NBC & Discovery on chemtrails; Morgellon’s disease; contrails vs. chemtrails; humidity and contrails; are contrails harmless? vaccines, sedatives; biological warfare under the cloak of darkness; quartz particles – transmitters of energy; electromagnetic pollution; scrambling our brains; how to protect yourself; fungus in the blood of 99% of chemtrail patients; last gasp of outdated paradigm; symptoms of chemtrail poisoning; HAARP; tunable polymers; biowarfare experiments since the 50’s; Zombie Nation – why the lack of awareness & outcry?” (12 min.)

This entry was posted on February 9, 2008

“WILLIAM THOMAS DISCUSSES CHEMTRAILS WITH MERIA HELLER”

oseido says:
May 5, 2008
Hi dear whill, i’m onored to whrite in your site. I’m an italian person tath fight against chemtrail about to 5 yars.
In 2003 i have see a documentari macked from vincent gambino, with a your interwiev and my life is changed. I’m a soldier tath fight against this orrible destiny. Nice to can help you. Sorry for my bad eng.

W. O. G. for life+ says:
September 20, 2008
do u think the chemicals in the upper atmosphere mosly sulphur/barium, and the chemtrails play a part in the next fungi deadly virrus.

Jeff Golden says:
January 25, 2009
NASA, United Nations and our own military are spraying us like insects. The white planes are NASA. Some passenger planes have been converted into death sprayers. They are KILLING THE PLANET! All planetary life is being affected by this spraying. White powder from the chemtrails fall on gardens and kill the plants. Animals are also affected by this and are sick. Chemtrails and the HAARP machine in Alaska are working together and they are the ones that are responsible for GLOBAL WARMING!! HAARP heats up the ozone like a high powered heater. Most people don’t believe this. All my neighbors think they have allergies, but it is the spraying. It will kill them eventually.

jazzroc says:
March 1st, 2009
Hundreds of scientific papers indicating that persistent contrails will increase in proportion with the increase in air traffic have been published in the last quarter of a century, most, if not all, preceding the “chemtrails” hypothesis. If there were any truth in this crazy theory, then at least ONE atmospheric scientist would be saying something, but NO – you don’t find a single scientist qualified in atmospheric science ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD who subscribes to this, er, notion.

That’s because it’s BAD SCIENCE, bearing no relationship to the real world, supported by people who know so little about the science involved or scientific discipline and interpretation that they have no idea how silly they look – to a scientist. They may well look OK to each other and the general public, but only a couple of instances have occurred when they penetrated the media – one, where they superimposed entirely different text over a German video, and the other where they misread roadside water samples in a barium mining area by a factor of a THOUSAND.

Not very good results, but one shouldn’t expect CHICKEN LITTLE to be up to much…  he’s too busy selling tinfoil hats…

Hi jazzroc,
No tinfoil hats available, sorry. Actually, science shows contrails decreasing. NASA’s 2001 contrail study shows the month of Thanksgiving to be the heaviest air traffic month in the U.S. – with the highest occurrence of contrails in the Pacific Northwest. (Where I live.) This region, as well as central Canada and the eastern Midwestern U.S see twice the number of contrails as the continental average. But in December 2001 the distribution and magnitude of potential contrails “changed dramatically” said NASA – not because of September 11, but as a result of radical, unexpected changes in weather patterns. Even in the contrail congested Portland and Seattle areas, contrail frequency dropped well below continental averages. Presented to the “10th Conference on Aviation, Range, and Aerospace Meteorology” in heavily chemtrailed Portland, Oregon in May 2002, NASA’s newest findings show that contrail coverage over the North Atlantic and central Europe remains “significantly smaller than those given” in 1994. Ditto the Pacific Northwest. Despite significant increases in air traffic.

Try telling Leslie that jet plumes are decreasing. That same November – with far fewer contrails showing up than predicted and photographs and eyewitness reports of persistent white plumes left by high-flying jets flooding the Internet – this school teacher took a trip from Las Vegas and encountered persistent, wide-spread plumes “up to Reno, over to Sacramento, up to Portland, Oregon, and then over through Idaho and down through Wyoming into Denver and back to Las Vegas… We covered six states in four days and saw them everywhere.” Leslie became “very, very sick”. It took almost two months for her lungs to clear from something “almost exactly like a whooping cough I got ten or so years ago that turned out to be a lung fungal infection.” Ice crystal condensation trails do not cause fungal infections in the lungs. But airborne colonies of mutated molds and fungi brought down from the upper atmosphere by chemtrail fallout could cause symptoms experienced by Leslie and tens of thousands of North Americans following chemtrail exposure.

Still, many “chemtrails” are being reported as “contrails” – and vice-versa. When two different jets are visible simultaneously in the same airspace at close to the same altitude and one’s laying a thick plume and the other none – you know something unusual is going on. ATC radar operators around the USA confirm tracking plumes behind USAF tankers in “commanded” (reserved) airspace. (See my book, Chemtrails Confirmed.) And science ends the debate. NCAR atmospheric experts in Colorado insist that the only way to form persistent plumes behind aircraft at altitudes of humidity (dew point) less than 70% and temps warmer than -70F is to add more particulates to the exhaust than the NOx, sulfur and carbon normally present from combustion. NASA backs this atmospheric science. Weatherman Scott Stevens posted many photographs and discussed chemtrails on his former weatherwars.com site.

I have zero evidence that chemtrails are deliberate bio-warfare. But two scientists who worked on this project at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base told a reporter they were concerned that these particles were bringing fungus, molds and viruses (known to swarm in the upper atmosphere) down to the surface where our immune systems would have no defense against them. Even so, this exposure would not necessarily be “deadly”. A strong immune system is the best defense – and stress wrecks immune systems. Thank you.

Hi, William – I was wondering if there were ever to be a response to my comment, but I accept you may have been busy. Let’s both agree that tinfoil hats can probably be best pressed into service as baking trays, and I’ll put on my science hat.
The job of scientists is to understand and explain the material world. This second action helps the rest of us to focus upon problems and come up with solutions to them. Difficulties occur when lay persons, unknowingly perhaps, interpret physical events incorrectly, and thus begin to sow seeds of distress throughout our society. This is such a difficulty. In order to attempt to solve this for you, I must address your points one-by-one, and apologize in advance for chopping up your prose.

“science shows contrails decreasing”
I’ll take your word for that (you’ve been doing the research) but can offer two points about that. Persistent trails are increasing exactly as air travel is increasing precisely because the airlines’ larger schedule is confronting our typical weather, which is, as you know, variable, and random. This means that on occasion there will less trails (possibly like now) while on other occasions there will be more. In our current financial crisis it may well be that overall flight numbers are falling, but I suspect not. The number of passengers in the air has increased by fifty times in fifty years, and this of course means that the amount of kerosine which has been and is being burnt to deposit ice (or water vapor) in our stratosphere has done the same.

“the eastern Midwestern U.S sees twice the number of contrails as the continental average”
That would be normal for a continent with many coastal cities. In the middle many routes must cross each other.

“radical, unexpected changes in weather patterns”
Is a bit of an oxymoron, don’t you think? Weather is by its nature unpredictable – “butterfly effect”, etc.

“heavily chemtrailed Portland”
Whoops. A slip there? How would you possibly know that those were chemtrails?

“NASA’s newest findings show that contrail coverage over the North Atlantic and central Europe remains “significantly smaller than those given” in 1994. Ditto the Pacific Northwest. Despite significant increases in air traffic.”
I read the 1994 report. I’m relieved to hear it. It could be that the increased water in the stratosphere due to aviation (which daily adds a million tons of water) has found itself either above or below air traffic altitudes.

“with far fewer contrails showing up than predicted and photographs and eyewitness reports of persistent white plumes left by high-flying jets flooding the Internet”
Well – it could have been, but it wasn’t. It seems that the water was there, after all. It was in layers that were MORE HUMID than usual. Layers of the stratosphere which have a greater than average humidity WILL cause “persistent white plumes”.

“Ice crystal condensation trails do not cause fungal infections in the lungs”
Of course they don’t.

“molds and fungi brought down from the upper atmosphere by chemtrail fallout”
Molds and fungi don’t need “chemtrail fallout” to bring them down. An atmosphere saturated with water vapor in it will do that. In fact it MUST do that – that vapor NEEDS something to nucleate upon. This is why our atmosphere is basically clean in spite of the continual onslaught of fifteen hundred active volcanoes adding annually millions of tons of fine ash, and oxides of carbon and sulfur.

“many “chemtrails” are being reported as “contrails” – and vice-versa”
Just vice-versa. Chemtrails don’t exist. You haven’t proved their existence, nor has anyone else in the ten years of debate.

“two different jets are visible simultaneously in the same airspace at close to the same altitude and one’s laying a thick plume and the other none – you know something unusual is going on”
No, it is something USUAL that is going on. That is the USUAL failure to understand the STABLE nature of the stratosphere. Its stability causes its layering, and when you consider what that layering might be, it can ONLY be a layering of layers with different humidity. There is no reason for the lay person to know this, so a failure of interpretation takes place in the mind of the onlooker – the same sort of failure that takes place when people believe the Sun goes round the Earth. That is what their eyes tell them. That belief is no longer common only because of public acceptance of the scientific truth, which conflicts the evidence of their eyes.

“ATC radar operators around the USA confirm tracking plumes behind USAF tankers in “commanded” (reserved) airspace”
Tankers use the same engines as civil aircraft and must make the same plumes in similar conditions. Plumes of ice crystals will show up on radar tuned to the frequency of ice crystals. Nothing controversial there.

“And science ends the debate. NCAR atmospheric experts in Colorado insist that the only way to form persistent plumes behind aircraft at altitudes of humidity (dew point) less than 70% and temps warmer than -70F is to add more particulates to the exhaust than the NOx, sulfur and carbon normally present from combustion. NASA backs this atmospheric science.”
This isn’t true. Only a single molecule is required to seed a water droplet or ice crystal. The throughput of a fanjet travelling at eight hundred feet per second creates many more molecules than the minimum required to seed the trail by many orders of magnitude. A Wilson Cloud Chamber uses this same effect to render visible the passage of SINGLE alpha particles. A saturated atmosphere will do its best to nucleate upon anything. It will do so until there is no saturation pressure remaining. There will ALWAYS be a surplus of nucleating material left over, and the addition of further nucleating material could not possibly make any difference. I hope here these scientists are being misreported!

“Weatherman Scott Stevens posted many photographs and discussed chemtrails on his former weatherwars.com site.”
What can I say? There are scientists and ’scientists’.

“they were concerned that these particles were bringing fungus, molds and viruses (known to swarm in the upper atmosphere) down”
I repeat what I have written above: nothing works better than a saturated atmosphere to bring particles down. If air travel is humidifying the atmosphere (and it obviously must), then these “swarming particles” will be brought down even more quickly. An increase in air travel (with its “persistent white plumes”) would seem here to be BENEFICIAL.

“our immune systems would have no defense against them” – “exposure would not necessarily be ‘deadly’. A strong immune system is the best defense”
You seem to have answered yourself here – no need for me to chip in. Except to remind you that these “particles” are part of Earth’s nature, as are we, and our continued existence stands as proof that we are equipped to deal with them.

“and stress wrecks immune systems”
And the inaccurate public representation of what appear to me to be natural events, as the accidental/deliberate poisoning of our air, is going to create public stress – is it not?
This is why you find me here – to correct this inaccuracy. I consider you to be a professional person who is doing your best within the journalistic profession. You must know that first you must gather and report all the facts you can, and must inevitably cast your own interpretation upon them. The problems occur when your general knowledge isn’t up to the task of the interpretation. Water vapor is invisibly layered in the stratosphere where these “persistent white plumes” occur. The passage of a Boeing 747 through a saturated layer can precipitate 16 Kg of ice for every metre of forward flight. This means JUST ONE trans-USA jumbo flight can pull EIGHTY THOUSAND TONS OF ICE out of the sky…
Makes you think, doesn’t it? Can you believe that?

http://willthomasonline.wordpress.com/2008/02/09/william-thomas-discusses-chemtrails-with-meria-heller/#comments

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Before I answer these points let me explain something to you. I am a not-well-off retired engineer with a cheap (£200) XP computer connected via ADSL to the web. I am probably less well-equipped than you, and we both have access to the same thing: the WWW. There is NO REASON why you cannot search out the truth for yourself – it would have taken you no longer than it has taken me. What you are in effect doing is MAKING ME WORK FOR YOU. I shall do no further work for you – you have to stand on your own feet.

I do have a good scientific understanding of the subject, but my experience is that people simply don’t believe me. They’ll believe their doctor, but NOT their engineer or scientist. So I try to give references, which you can follow up and compare. (Impossible in YT comments!)

“barium/arsenic/other poisons/trails” – This one’s a CLASSIC. It’s amusing the ASSUMPTION that rainwater is PURE is widespread. And that you breathe PURE air, drink PURE water. NONE of these are PURE. The samples taken, ALL MATERIALS FOUND, were WITHIN THE NORMAL RANGE OF RAINWATER FOR AN INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY. The figures were then MISREAD (upwards!) by a factor of 1000. Drinking the water would have caused you NO HARM: your body would eliminate such low traces of poisons within a day. It’s all revealed in contrailscience.com.

http://contrailscience.com/barium-chemtrails/

clearly see the planes turning the “trail” off and on” “and lastly the trail does not come out of the engine it comes out of slots in the wings and trails clearly not out of the engine.” – These two are ably answered by this scientist:

From NMSR Reports, Vol. 5, No. 12, December 1999 – “If the atmospheric water content is not consistent with altitude (picture atmospheric “waves” of high water vapor content below a layer of low water vapor content much like waves on the ocean), then a jet will alternately pass through air that allows contrail formation and air that does not. This gives the appearance of a dashed line if the plane is flying at, or near the perpendicular to the waves.”

“One other phenomenon observed is the formation of contrails off wing surfaces along with the engine exhaust contrails. This can be caused when the air is highly supersaturated and the expansion of the air coming off of the wing surface is sufficient to cause ice crystallization. In this case, it appears that the whole plane is leaving a trail. This can often be observed by a passenger flying in a commercial airplane when entering cold, supersaturated air, particularly in the winter when close to a storm front.” – M. Kim Johnson, Physicist

Now I have had people arguing with me that SUPERSATURATION does not exist, and it’s all a misdirection. In the end, if you DO NOT LEARN THE SCIENCE and you WANT to believe CTs, you will.

But if you look up a Wilson Cloud Chamber – it is a device which is designed to show the emission of sub-atomic particles from a source (radiation), which it does using surrounding supersaturated air which when hit by a particle immediately nucleates into VISIBLE DROPLETS.

WOOLLY

“You are a Govt dis-info agent” – That’s confident of you, Mike. Strike One.

“Who is paying you” – I wish… I’m broke, but not busted, as it happens. Two.

“They put them under the lavatory” – That’ll keep me constipated my next flight (Xmas). Three.

“attached to the static electricity wick” – Hold on a moment. Do you KNOW what THAT is? SEVERAL METAL ROD CONDUCTORS connected to the SKIN of the plane! Four.

“if you wanted to know!” – Not being as you assert above, YES I DID want to know. Five.

“Also the center fuel tank/huge amount of chemicals/unless you fly overseas” – NOW you’re making some sense.

“You can simply rig that up to the fuel dump lines and a chemtrail is born” – So it’s NOT used for overseas flights? Just overland US flights. Well that rules out the world-wide “AL/BA spray” idea. So it’s just “Morgellons chemicals” and the US mainland, is it?

Now all you have to do is to tell me how it’s possible to spray a dangerous woolly fibrous material with coagulated blood products out of passenger aircraft fuel vents (and get away with it for years) and we’re home and dry…. Six….