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91177info
The chemtrail petition has the necessary signatures to get a response from the government. 600 so far but if anyone would like a personal email detailing what our government is doing or is aware of please see the top link.
 

beachcomber2008
the report states that the BEST DISPERSAL HEIGHT IS 80,000 FEET.  Only U2s and X15s fly up there, and all they can carry is cameras and electronics.  That altitude is TWICE AS HIGH as the CEILINGS of modern aircraft and is IMPOSSIBLE TO REACH WITH ANY TYPE OF TANKER.  That’s why they conclude that SEEDING OCEAN CLOUDS and FEEDING IRON TO OCEAN CENTRES are the only routes immediately viable.  They haven’t done those either, unfortunately.  It makes RUBBISH out of your video post, doesn’t it? 

The ideal place for spraying is the stratopause, but no aircraft can reach that height.

91177info
Yes they do seed clouds. There are private companies that do as such and videos of companies cloud seeding on youtube.  I am very happy with my video as it has added to the pool of information which thousands of researches are finding out and adding to themselves.  Some information may be speculative, some may be far fetched but I believe I was the first to find these documents of the UK government actually suggesting adding chemicals to aviation fuel and making it available on youtube.
 

 
 
 
 
 

the temperature of our atmosphere

 

beachcomber2008
You are proposing something, on the other hand, which you REALLY know nothing about.  It therefore seems “reasonable” to you to behave the way you do.  Any scientist or engineer who reads what you write will shake their head.  Where were you when brains were handed out?  You can’t even find the relevant research materials, which are freely available on the net.  You also appear unable to read.  If DEFRA claims it would be difficult to do, then they haven’t done it.  You don’t appear to notice that. 

91177info
Yes I know I haven’t been able to give as much attention to the subject of chemtrails and find the necessary documents.  I was distracted by the swine flu last year and the so called deadly pandemic we were supposed to be in.  Which turned out to be a false alarm and a way for our governments to syphon off tax payers money.  They lied it was a false alarm.  This vid is 10 months old so maybe I should return to investigate chemtrails.  After the petition at 10 Downing St which ends in March.
 

beachcomber2008
Truly infantile. “Look, a plane is flying overhead and there are some rocks on the ground shaped like the letter C.  It’s a clue!  Proof for chemtrails!”.  You’ll never be taken seriously by anyone with critical faculties who can weigh evidence.  You’ll just continue to talk amongst your buddies with the same psychological disposition about your escapist fantasies and waste the time of your other friends, pestering us with the latest “proof” for your delusions. Yes, I actually read the document. 

91177info
You’re the one who is delusional.  In fact, looking through your comments for the last six months – You’re a total fruitcake. You are also a liar and I hate liars.  Now which document did you think you read?  hmm?
 

beachcomber2008
@91177info, Stephen Salter made a submission to this committee – this: 

You’ll find it on my channel and also at jazzroc. wordpress. com on my “Jet Spray” page because it’s a brilliant and cheap idea.  Yes, I actually read the document. many times, many places.  All this stuff is just the consideration of options, many of which are dead ducks.  You lack the nous to make any sensible discrimination whatsoever.  Scientific understanding, if you ever found it, might help you… 

91177info
There is no government legalisation and private companies can virtually spray what they want up there as it been reported on MSM.  So really you don’t have a clue what is being sprayed.  Of course you would say it is just water vapour.  You started your comment thread very defensive/protective and rude.  You think all is well and no damage is being caused to us or our earth, fine.  That’s your instinct.  Mine says something is not right and there are millions of other people who feel the same.
 

beachcomber2008
@91177info, I actually C&P’d someone else’s comment which exactly suited this.  I’m not talking about INSTINCT.  I’m talking about EXPERIENCE.  I KNOW there is nothing in the trails and I can PROVE there is nothing in the trails.  You can neither KNOW or PROVE anything.  Aviation fuel is made up to a recipe by the admixture of conditioners to a locally-made petroleum distillate, so it will be subtly different wherever the plane refuels.  But there’s only one type of jetfuel and it’s for ALL planes. 

TBA4Freedom
beachcomber2008, Obviously you didn’t read the entire 163 pages…I can tell by what you are saying. Pull it up again and READ it this time…..then come back and debate with us.
 

dbootsthediva
Isn’t it quite the coincidence that Mars has quite an abundance of sulphate.  Perhaps those tubes we have seen on Mars are them harvesting minerals.  Great video. 

maryjaneofthejungle
Chemtrails also (amongst other chemicals) contain barium. The EPA states dose factors under 2 parts per billion is safe from harm.  Rainwater collected after chemspraying has been found to have up to 6 parts per billion.  Jet fuel sometimes referred to as JP-5 or JP-8 is regulated by the Department of Commerce.  Good luck getting a hold of them.  When no1 gives us an answer or we’re completely ignored on a subject we can only believe its something we’d not take well.  Then again I’d ignore any scrambled answer they’d “come up with” at this point.  Two good reasons. Vitamin D kills the flu virus.  And the spray contains chemicals to help the viral envelope fuse with lung cells for easier infection. 

ramptondayrelease
Well done for blocking that muppet. Good info here. 

dickyco2
Contrails, Climate Changing Clouds of Combustion spewed by 8mile high Oil burning “Smogliners” whose exhaust products acts as the nucleus for the formation of ice crystals that are Contrails ,that persist spread to form Contrail-Cirrus a days heat trapping ( as clouds tend to do) thermal blanket of exhaust cloud.  This is Geo-engineering.  Contrails.  Climate Changing Clouds of Combustion.  FairyChemTales a Big Oil spray story to cloud the Environmental Disaster of Vast Oil Burning. 

UkTruthSeeker2009
Chemtrails day & night in UK the sun rarely shows and when it does they are back to cover it.  EVIL GOVERNMENTS. 

nrgstream
Help heal the planet, google ‘orgonite’. It’s a simple compound anyone can create in their backyard with fairly inexpensive, widely-available materials which balances ambient energy by turning the negative energy into positive energy, with many easily-confirmed effects. Orgonite does this continuously, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, without electricity. 

gtb393
Truely infantile. “Look, a plane is flying overhead and there are some rocks on the ground shaped like the letter C.  It’s a clue!  Proof for chemtrails!”.  You’ll never be taken seriously by anyone with critical faculties who can weigh evidence. You’ll just continue to talk amongst your buddies with the same psychological disposition about your escapist fantasies and waste the time of your other friends, pestering us with the latest “proof” for your delusions. Yes, I actually read the document. 

91177info
gtb393 ??? Joined April 24 2007 Channel Views 0 No Favourites No Uploads Comments 0 Channel Comments 0 Now I really do not need to ask what drew you to my vid do I??  All your appearance has done is reaffirm to the thousands of subscribers that:
A: There really is something going on.
B: You’re a SHILL.
C: You’re EVIL
D: You are not welcome here
E: You’re now on my BLOCKED list 

Wecknachricht
now we can go to every official government agencies and present the document and ask for explanation… 

starywron
Great find, mate.  thanks for share it with the rest of us here.  Jazzroc – where are you now, you old fool and lier? 

91177info
BocScar is either working for the CDC or Baxter. He has several accounts jazzroc and stars15k, he has been paid to do this. He/She is using an avatar which is used by the CDC and is listed in the pdf documents that Jane Burgermeister sent me. See my website link on my profile for more info.  There are other shills which have been paid to do this. But BocScar is classic and very persistent. You just have to read through the comments to see what I mean. Love to those that want it. Jason x 

boxa888
hey the weather up here has been weird so far, the whole month of june has been rain, i think its a new record here in this area lol. 

UkTruthSeeker2009
I have a few shills as well youtube is crawling with them trying to confuse chemtrails with contrails LOL There is no argument we’re not stupid I was looking for stuff today and googled reports in the UK AND FOUND ONE AT GLOBAL RESEARCH UK 

91177info
Try this site all the evidence is here in photos/maps and graphs.  asp bnl gov/  Just replace the space with an .  I will get back to this but the swindle flu is the main headlines lol 

BocScar
I never heard of jazzroc and stars15 is a 40 yr old woman.  You’ll need to work harder to pass the detectives exam. 

91177info
Now why on earth would you come back to this video and reply to a new comment thread which wasn’t in reply to one of yours?  I have been waiting for this test for 2 weeks and actually I have just passed my detective exam because you fell for my trap.  BocScar you are a shill, your icon is one used in Baxter International labs which can be seen in Jane Burgermeister’s file charges.  Goodbye. 

graverobber35
Well, dickhead, since you are from england, you HAVE to love moslems. they have taken over your bloody country. Yes, I like guns, that is one of our freedoms here in the US. And I do like women. That would obviously offend a faggot like you. blow it out your windpipe, abdul. 

91177info
Actually, what you say you like doing to women tells me it is actually YOU that has faggot tendencies!  Another moron that uses the same username throughout the web and his email address. You paranoid racist anal loving moron. 

91177info
I am very sorry to use the terminology that graverobber35 has used. They are not words I use and I only used them in context to what he was saying to me. 

graverobber35
Sorry , I lost my tin foil hat in the flood. 

91177info
You lost a lot more than that. Your nothing more than a muslim hating gun loving womanising thug.  This user said that: “mohammed was a child molester” on hardyk1’s channel.  By the way always make sure the barrel of your gun isn’t blocked, not being psychic or anything 😉
 
BocScar
Did you even bother to read the conclusion?  “It is clear from the assessment of geo-engineering options presented here that there are large uncertainties regarding the effectiveness, impacts, technical feasibility, cost and risks of all the schemes considered. As a consequence of these uncertainties, we feel that it is premature at this stage to draw firm conclusions on the feasibility of implementing the schemes discussed”.  They don’t even know if geoengineering is possible! 

91177info
Bother? I’m well bothered.  They are getting private companies to do this. They are? testing it out now! Trying different chemicals and mixtures. With out consulting or warning the public.  Why?  Because we are expendable and our lives and heath doesn’t matter.  It really makes me angry.  I mean really fucking angry. 

BocScar
Did you read the report’s conclusion? They say that they don’t know if geoengineering is even possible.  If they admit in the report that geoengineering might not even be possible, how can you use the report as proof that “chemtrails are real and I believe are happening now with out public consultation.” 

91177info
Because they are lying, thieving, murdering bastards. They killed over a million Iraqi civilians on this plagiarised dossier: Downing Street’s dossier against Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction is accused of plagiarism.  Channel Four News has learnt that the bulk of an intelligence dossier heralded by Colin Powell at the UN yesterday, was copied from three different articles – one written by a graduate student”.  BocScar, Do you really think they will tell us the truth after the above quotes? 

BocScar
 -Because they are lying, thieving, murdering bastards.- I’m talking of the DE & CC document referenced in the video.  On the one hand you accept this document when it speaks of stratospheric aerosols, but on the other hand you reject it when it states that geoengineering might not even be possible.  So is the DE&CC document true or a lie? 

91177info
What do you think I think? 

BocScar
I’m not sure what you think.  I’m not sure. You seem to agree with the parts of the DECC document that fit your preconceived notions, and disagree with the parts that don’t.  You use this government document to “prove” they are conducting geoengineering, but ignore the part where it says that geoengineering might not be possible.  I’m asking for clarification. 

91177info
Going back a couple of months, people like Stars15k, o0Nighthawk0o, Shilltastic and possibly you were stating there was no evidence of such programs and chemtrails were just water vapour. Nothing was and could be sprayed in the skies.  This is a government document which states such programs and is inviting private research companies to share their research and knowledge.  These programs are happening right now.  Stop moving the goal posts.  Chemtrails are real. 

BocScar
-These programs are happening right now.- So according to you the government is publicly inviting research companies and publishing feasibility studies on the Internet while at the same time secretly spraying the sky in full daylight, hoping nobody will notice.  The DECC document offers possible quick fix solutions to mitigate global warming and then it cautions that these solutions are dangerous and might not even be feasible. 

91177info
Private companies are spraying yes.  So at last you acknowledge chemtrails.  Thankyou. 

BocScar
What are private companies spraying in the air? 

91177info
You tell me.  You’re paid to do this “argumentum ad hominem” 

BocScar
You are the one that claims private companies are spraying.  I assume you know what you are talking about.  So please tell me, what private companies are spraying?  I really want to know. 

91177info
Hold on let me look in the yellow pages. 

BocScar
So, I take it you don’t know.  You claim private companies are conducting secret spraying operations but can’t even name one of them.  How can you conclude that private companies are involved?  On what are you basing your statement that private companies are involved? 

neptuneey
We live in a Corporate world, they’re all Private companies. Even you are a corporation. 

BocScar
What’s your point? 

neptuneey
Just looking for human qualities..  U failed. 

BocScar
This isn’t a philosophical discussion about human nature.  The guy made a concrete statement that private companies are spraying the air.  If he knows these companies are private then he must also know their names. 

91177info
If you could just stop beating your bishop for a moment and look at the reply I have sent you. 

BocScar
Stating that the scientific community is researching solutions to our environmental mess is not acknowledging “chemtrails”.  The word “chemtrail” implies covert programs to dumb down the population or block out the sun by deliberately using chemicals.  I do not acknowledge “chemtrails” and I’ve tried to point out that neither does the DECC document. 

91177info
Chemical Contrails then.  Spraying or releasing chemicals via aerosol or the exhaust of aircraft fuel.  They are doing exactly what it says on the tin.  It is interesting you say “dumb down”??  That is very telling BocScar.  I’ve been talking about Global Dimming. 

BocScar
I’ll ask you again.  What are private companies spraying in the air? 

91177info
Page 26 of the pdf states “if other parties, countries and institutions wished to develop a shared approach, DECC would be interested in sharing expertise, and in helping to develop an initial detailed scoping study”.  Google these: ukca ac uk – GLOMAP – SLIMCAT/TOMCAT – CiTTyCAT – EU Aerosol IP – AEROCOM emissions/validation – EUSAAR data 

BocScar
They are looking to partner with the private sector to “develop an initial scoping study”. initial… study…   How do you conclude from that statement that private companies are currently engaged in a global dimming campaign?  These are either feasibility studies, environmental studies and one of them only tries to set research protocols for data base sharing… but never mind…  Which one of those companies is currently engaged in a covert global dimming campaign? 

91177info
WOW BocScar how do “YOU” know about these sites and give an answer so quickly?  Can you do me a favour here?  Please swear on your families life, the generations of your family which are now in the spirit world and ALL the genetic strain of your family in the future that YOU, are not involved in any way with chemtrails, chemical contrails, the military, and the government. And you are just some regular youtube user.  So I BocScar swear (You fill in the rest here) 

BocScar
You told me about the sites…  so I looked at them.  These people can loosely be characterized as atmospheric researchers.  I swear I am not in the service of any government or any secret society to misinform anyone about anything nor am I involved directly or indirectly in perpetrating illegal covert chemical campaigns against the atmosphere or the population. LOL  Look… you make statements like “private companies are spraying”,  “chemtrails are real”.  I’m asking you to explain yourself because I don’t see it.  Every time one asks for some kind of evidence you guys point to publicly available government documents produced by the same government you claim is secretly conducting the spraying.  You claim the DECC document proves “chemtrails” but ignore its conclusion that geoengineering is not advisable and may not even be feasible. 

91177info
Thankyou for swearing BocScar.  All I know is what I see and what I have researched.  I am an artist by trade and I paint landscapes.  I love to draw clouds.  I am always looking at clouds ever since I was 4 years old and my mum pointed out a face in the cloud.  From then on I have always looked up at clouds and I have made faces out of what I see.  Back in February during a landscape photography assignment I became aware of the chemtrails, white lines. That is when the spraying started in my area.  I am a very aware person, I follow the seasons and live with nature.  I love sunsets and follow the moon.  I know where it will be rising with a given tree in my area.  I count the swallows that come and nest here and count the new brood that leaves.  I have a photographic memory and have over 200 art and photography books and know which picture is in which books.  I don’t like change.  BocScar, I know what contrails are.  The white lines now in the sky are not normal, they really aren’t right. 

BocScar
Without a doubt, increased contrail formation has an environmental impact.  I just challenge the notion that it is a covert government operation to block the sun or kill people.  Contrails are a consequence of air travel, just like smog is a consequence of car usage.  I’m just a regular guy and I have never seen any evidence of weather modification other than cloud seeding.  I don’t consider atmospheric research to be geoengineering nor do I consider persistent contrails to be “chemtrails”.  I’ve read the DECC document and it’s a preliminary assessment paper that concludes there are large uncertainties regarding the effectiveness, impacts, technical feasibility, cost and risks of geoengineering. 

dickyco2
BocScar.  Well said.  You must be aware these sad simple believers and their voodoo video Priests of Piffle havent the faintest idea of the Planet they are on or how it works.  But they do share a genuine concern for what they see outside above them.  And so they and you should.  A Jet exhaust made 6-8mile high layer of reflective day heat trapping cloud, Contrail-Cirrus, is a Climate Changing Cloud of Combustion.  A Global unintended Geo-engineering Environmental Disaster. 

91177info
Just google “Downing St dossier plagiarised”.  They lied, they have committed murder.  Something is NOT right here.  Me thinks they will do it again. 

WellSightedGentleman
me too, Bocscar, if hes not being paid by this industry, is totally mind wiped on all of these issues about weather modification, save your energy, Bocscar is insincere and just soapboxs for attention, good or bad.  He knows it’s real he spends everyday trying to talk “WITNESS'” down from what thy’ve seen. But he has no argument at all, he just flames through disjointed arguments, a waste of time dewd 

91177info
He was convincing, but easy to put right.  Thanks for that info. 

BocScar
-if hes not being paid by this industry, is totally mind wiped –  Once again the you demonstrate your ability to come to conclusions without facts.  The same logic leads you to believe “they” are secretly modifying the weather in full daylight and nobody but astute YouTube videographers are clever enough to notice. 

euro944t
Chemtrails are obvious to children now.  They have to say something now.  You rather them disclose it’s part of bio weapons and psych warfare Haarp EMF weapons?  Climate control is a cover story. Now run out and push this disinfo to your neighboors so they pay carbon taxes and believe Al Gore’s scam. 

dbootsthediva
Thank you for this very informative video.  Chemtrail particles are now beginning to be included in Science books and being taught in high schools.  Some Science books are referring to it as ‘PARTICLE AIR”.  See Centerpoint Learning Science 1  Essential Interactions Science Book Section 5:19 Solutions for Global Warming. Peace. 

Skywitness
Here’s and interesting patent: Powder contrail generation  United States Patent 3899144 abstract:  Light scattering pigment powder particles, surface treated to minimize inparticle cohesive forces, are dispensed from a jet mill deagglomerator as separate single particles to produce a powder contrail having maximum visibility or radiation scattering ability for a given weight material. 

BarbarianRebellion
Of coarse you realize that these are the same quacks who are intentionally poisoniong our children with vaccines and makeing males of every species sterile with plastics. And now we are letting them tinker with the only planet we have! 

stuanemma
It actually reads that like they are already doing this and are wondering whether or not doing it on Global level will work… 

1995firefly4dr
don’t want to be the ‘bad guy’ here, but all this document is saying what they have ‘researched’ to be possible solutions to their made-up crisis. It’s certainly no proof of them admitting they are doing the chemtrails currently. 

lithcowtown
very well put together congrads. Geoff 

sorrowfulsun
Excellent work. Thank you! 

WellSightedGentleman
great research!  yep obama announced in jan or feb this year that they may ‘have-to’ fill the sky with aluminium particles to deflect the sun.  theyve backed off here for four days now (touch-wood) after several weeks of constant disbursal.  I am curious as to why they have been so busy over populated areas, a bit sus in light of the foreseen risk to public health. 

BocScar
-after several weeks of constant disbursal.- Disbursal?  I someone handing out money?  What exactly do you believe they are dispersing? 

91177info
Anything they want, under the guise of global warming.  Modern medicine is all about nano particles and aerosol dispersion. 

BocScar
Modern medicine is the only reason we are not being killed by Smallpox like the 500 million that died from it in the 20th century. Nutrition and modern medicine is why our lifespans have doubled.  If “they” have a plan to kill us then better food and medicines are a very strange way to go about it. 

20OnELoVe12
GMO is not a better form of food.. Have you ever watched the commericals for medicine. HA I would rather have whatever it is then all the side effects. Also almost all of them say on rare occasion death may occure. The meds for depression, & ADD, MAKE you a zombie/ makes you want to kill your self or someone else.  AND they have cures for many things that DON’T involve MMM BUT they would rather keep taking the money. BTW Check out Denver international airport Video, and the stonehenge one also. 

BocScar
Ya right! You would rather have the disease then suffer possible side affects of the medication. Tell yourself that the next time you need Penicillin or if you ever get cancer. 

91177info
Very interesting avatar BocScar, can I ask where you got it from? 

BocScar
Google images. I think I typed the keyword “symbols”. I’ve always found the image geometrically interesting. 

20OnELoVe12
Penicillin is a natural antibiotic.  Another things I also stated was that they have cures USING natural things to cure such diseases or illness.. They to have the CURE for cancer and diabates…I CAN’T SPELL sue me if anything is wrong.. LOL.. For things such as RLS, Sleeping or non sleeping issues or if my minds run in circles do to ADD.  NO I WILL not take what they have made.  They have moved AWAY from the things nature gives us & that is scary. 

BocScar
If Penicillin is a natural derivative or not is irrelevant to my comment. You said you would prefer to suffer the disease than possible side affects from the treatment.  Good for you.  I don’t care if you can’t spell or express yourself any more than I care if you refuse to take prescribed medication. 

20OnELoVe12
I will take medicine if it is Natural that is what I’m saying.. if you don’t care why did you come back an waste time typing.  Anyways,,, CHEMtrails are real… Good luck with seeing that.. Peace to you 

BocScar
Bla bla bla… If you ever get cancer, you will take anything that will save your life, whether it’s “natural” or not. 

20OnELoVe12
All this time and you come back BLA BLA BLA you don’t know me.. If I ever develop cancer.. I WILL FIGHT each and every doctor and/or Organization for the REAL cure that they have hidden from Humanity… TRUST THAT… Cancer HAS A CURE… 

thetruthergirls
Weed oil, laetrile (B17), MMS, lots of things. 

ExquisiteDoom
Without inflamations, you CAN’T? get cancer. Thought you’d like to know. 

91177info
If the earth is allowed to do its natural thing. Extra sun and heat/radiation will evaporate MORE water from the oceans, so creating more natural cloud cover, then natural rain. They don’t want that, they only want death to tell you the truth.  They are not in harmony with the earth just their ego sociopathic conversations at the dinner table. 

WellSightedGentleman
someones getting money to fly around in no particular route to disburse particulated dust that effect the weather. To ‘disburse’ means to ‘spread out” it isnt a term money specific.  What they are disbursing is currently under investigation and double blind back testing is now being performed in several reputable universities to determine exactly whats in the air in the disbursal areas.  I told u b4 Its not an issue of belief why do you debunkers always fall back on the same emotive arguments? 

BocScar
-double blind back testing is now being performed in several reputable universities – Links please.  I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that nowhere in any of these studies will they mention “chemtrails” or “secret government dimming operations”.  These are probably typical environmental studies but you guys use them as evidence that someone is looking into your paranoid claims. 

BocScar
You know for a fact that they are spraying but you don’t know what they are spraying.  OK.  Let’s start with this: How do you know they are deliberately spraying chemicals? 

silkcat51
What gets me when I point out/complain about this to others is that they tell me–there couldn’t possibly be a deliberate poisoning agenda, because they would be poisoning their own children/families.  Don’t know what to say back. 

bushdidit2u911
great research! there are similar documents” not as specific” on the CFR website under the title”geo-engineering” where obamas team had recently updated the site to include planetary engineering techniques! but this blows that away!  awesome work!  is there a link to the original document!  would love to see and spread to all!!!! 

stuanemma
In the description… 

danielvincentkelley
You know what might shut down this operation?  A pilots strike.  Anytime you board an aircraft or are within air shot of an airliner pilot, you should educate them about chemtrails being aluminum and pathogens and neither being healthy for people. If enough pilots knew that they were killing their own sons and daughters with their flying spraying aluminum, maybe they’d strike. Airport protests also sounds like a good idea. 

jbreezes
I just heard the second person from NC who is a patriot claim contrails ALWAYS looked the way chemtrails do.  Shows how successfully the media (with the subliminals and chemtrail backgrounds) have conditioned people to believe it’s always been like this and is normal.  The f*ckin media suceeded.  Check out ironhorse’s vid on clipser. Arrgh 

danielvincentkelley
Patriot?  More likely traitor and on the pay roll of the disinformational establishment.  I stopped a random state senator on the street outside the statehouse and asked if he noticed the chemtrails pointing at the sky.  He asked me why they’re spraying.  I told him the global warming excuse AND that it’s aluminum and pathogens and more likely REALLY to murder people.  He seemed genuinely interested and mildly aware, like he had noticed.  People pretending they don’t see it are most likely traitors. 

WellSightedGentleman
the real downside being that the generation “y” who are present in abundance online, havnt experienced alot of unmanipulated weather in their life.  Born after 85′ and these young adults have nothing to rate the appearance of the sky against.  Therefore theyre quite unconcerned with ‘them’ making clouds… easily fooled by the bogus ‘disinf’ websites that abound online.  theyve been blinded.  our hope is with the older generations who can remember. 

philwarinsky
This is the format of a decent video – loaded with information.  Thankyou. 

gangstagrannie
Yes, they do appear to spray more at night. Hands up who’s noticed the thick fog we often get overnight in the season they call ‘summer’? 

Diatonic135
dude, since february this year i’ve been seeing them.  it’s warm where i live plus i camp a lot, so since february i’ve seen an incremental increase in chemtrailing. 

GODLOVESUSSOMUCH
Hey my dear and intelligent friends! I truly hope that none of you are fooled by their attempts to say they are trying to prevent climate change and its quickening pace! Mankind may be 1% at fault, but It’s not us alone AT ALL, causing the Globe to warm, its Solar Cycles, over 30000 scientists have proven this and know it, as millions of others do! The elite know they can’t reverse it, they? know many prophetic events will occur before Global Warming’s effects even reach a height! God Bless all! 

gangstagrannie
Yes GODLOVESUSSOMUCH, you are right. ALL of the planets are warming – even the uninhabited ones – which proves without doubt that this is a ‘natural’ occurrance.  Don’t people ever think back to their school days?  THEY taught us that climate change has occurred in the past and that mankind survived it – even without paying carbon tax!  LOL to the carbon tax!  Thanks for continuing this truthful point, that any sane person can and will see, sadly many intelligent people hold on to what some corrupted or misinformed scientists, have stated as true science, when its not! Keep spreading the good truth bro, even that which is not sugar coated, just as God did not sugar coat the times we are in & nearing. There are troubles ahead, yet an eternally happy ending for those that seek the path of love & truth found in Christ!  God Bless! 

danielvincentkelley
First Chemtrails is no solution for global warming. Global warming is about done anyhow. We’re running out of oil to pollute the skys with and the north pole already melted into the oceans which has a chilling effect that has been studied and shown to cause ICE AGE in an average 3 years. Ice Age is the new problem. 2nd, it’s not about whether people will survive, of course we will. But its a matter of what living conditions we’ll experience and it’s not looking good at all. 

91177info
Very true I made a video about this 2 weeks ago. There are so many different reasons for why the spraying is happening and over night they could decide to spray something totally different. People are getting used to seeing white lines in the sky so if they decided to suddenly spray Agent US or Brucella people wouldn’t even know or question, they would say “That plane is low today” As the elite are safely underground. 

GODLOVESUSSOMUCH
Yooo MR 77info! That’s the truth of this sick matter right there, they don’t care and even though they are not at all ashamed of their evil agenda, they definitely do much more spraying at night, to secure that their plans will not be headed or stopped like history has shown their plans to be, and they will again…They don’t learn, at least that which is important! Also so true how they try to make these trails seem so casual, putting them in tv media advertisements, even games and movies! =) 

A PAGE FROM YOUTUBE

CHEMTRAIL VIDEO COMMENTS 

wow, the american media has hit a new low. no wonder there are so many stupid people who believe in chem trails, with the american population trusting everything the media throws in front of them it is no wonder that people believe in chem trails.
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chemtrails 

Chemtrails are well documented tainted airplane exhaust comtrails saturating and obliterating our skies with deadly toxins. Soda pop is an out dated term for carbonated sugar water. Why are there so many hateful naysayers trying to obscure discussion and critical research into these matters? Hmmm…
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No, why are you SO STUPID as to believe that:
1. Contrails CAN’T be persistent.
2. Their contents can be collected by trays on the ground, and NOTHING else will get in the trays.
3. That the US can AFFORD to cover the Earth in Barium, Aluminum, Silver.
4. That it is POISONING you (yet NO-ONE has died).
5. That passenger planes CAN be fitted with poison sprays, yet no-one DIES, “FINGERS”, GETS INFECTED.
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gourmet-soda-pop 

“Chemtrails” ARE SODA POP. Put them through a carbon filter for sure, and each mile of “chemtrail” will get you a crate of soda pop.
The stratosphere is stable and layered like an onion with layers of differing humidities. A “saturated” layer will NOT reabsorb the trail, which will slowly fall and form stratus or cirrus cloud. That is what you see…
Want some soda pop? I’m nuts for soda pop! Are you?
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Yo Jazzroc–when they do go live with the mass extermination and you’re dying from Ebola, enjoy that soda (you probably like the stuff that has Aspartame in it). Meanwhile, a global network of responsible citizens is forming to confront this menace.
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“Responsible citizens” are people who THINK before they ACT. In your case, you’ve a job ahead of you – to LEARN to THINK. I’d rather that people like you were supporting the NWO – you’d mess them right up!
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1) We need an comprehensive global ban on these practices. 

2) There needs to be an international inspection regime over all aircraft worldwide with criminal penalties for the existence of aerosol dispersal devices. 

3) National security exclusions to FOIA requests need to be abrogated and immediate worldwide disclosure of these practices documented. 

Document redaction should be criminalized.
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Jolly good. Best use the UN for this. Haha. But apparently (so the scuttlebutt goes!) the UN is PART of the conspiracy to, er, depopulate… 

Best draw up a World Citizens’ Army then. Then fly about from airport to airport enforcing… 

Those that don’t can get their videocams out and film you “spraying” as you go, and SHOOT you when you land… 

firing_squad1 

ALTN2

‘You’re quoting a research report.’ 

Correct. From 1992. Spraying operations began by most people’s accounts, in late 1998. 

Keep in mind, this report was authorized by Congress and sponsored by the National Academy of Sciences. This report concludes that this technique of aerial spraying is the most cost effective and efficient method (of the varius options mentioned) for increasing planetary albedo in response to a “global warming” scenario. 

Senior researchers, faculty, theoreticians, atmospheric scientists, department heads and CEO’s from a multitude of prestigious institutions took part in this report. 

The Smithsonian, Harvard, General Motors, Cambridge, MIT, Yale, World Resources Institute, National Center for Atmospheric Research, the Secretary General of the United Nations, Oxford, Brookings Institution, Columbia University, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Carnegie-Mellon University, Princeton University, Brown University, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, and there’s more, if you look. 

‘It’s the title, isn’t it? Filming a harmless event with the false implication of harm can cause needless distress and foment discord, even if you believe you’re saving the world…’ 

I’d like you to start a journey of discovery, that is, if you are willing. Since we agree that even if it’s water up there, and nothing harmful at all… you will now begin to see the darker side of the science of geoengineering. 

Google this US patent: US5003186 

Notice the patent holder? Hughes Aircraft (now Raytheon) is one of the US’s largest defense contractors in the area of Aerospace. 

Read what’s in the mix, my friend… 

‘2. The method of claim wherein said material comprises one or more of the oxides of metals.’ 

‘…aluminum oxide’
‘…thorium oxide’
‘…Welsbach materials’
 

You read up on Welsbach materials. That’s your homework assignment.  

ALTN3

A method is disclosed for reducing atmospheric warming due to the greenhouse effect resulting from a greenhouse gases layer. The method comprises the step of seeding the greenhouse gas layer with a quantity of tiny particles of materials characterized by wavelength-dependent emissivity or reflectivity, in that said materials have high emissivities in the visible and far infrared wavelength regions and low emissivity in the near infrared wavelength region. Such materials can include the class of materials known as Welsbach materials. The oxides of metal, e.g., aluminum oxide, are also suitable for the purpose. The greenhouse gases layer typically extends between about seven and thirteen kilometers above the earth’s surface. The seeding of the stratosphere occurs within this layer. The particles suspended in the stratosphere as a result of the seeding provide a mechanism for converting the blackbody radiation emitted by the earth at near infrared wavelengths into radiation in the visible and far infrared wavelength so that this heat energy may be reradiated out into space, thereby reducing the global warming due to the greenhouse effect. 

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5
,003,186.PN.&OS=PN/5,003,186&RS=PN/5,003,nh-P186
 

Very interesting. I have a few questions: 

Do commercial turbofan engine injectors safely pass these refractory solids between 10 and 100 microns? 

How do filamentary materials figure in all this? 

Or biological materials? 

You realise that a single “coating” (1 particle/sq.cm) for the US weighs 170,000 tonnes? and you’d have to renew it? 

Well, 170,000 tonnes is within any major paint manfr’s brief I suppose. But DELIVERY would be HARD. 

And treating the globe would be outside our capabilities.  

ALUMINUM/BARIUM

The Aluminum-Barium argument is rendered obsolete by the YouTube clip below 

 

Why squander fuel, occlude your skies, and poison your population, when this CHEAPER AND MORE PRACTICAL operation can be carried out in the South Atlantic and Pacific? 

The clip is one of FIVE WAYS TO COOL THE EARTH – a googlevid. 

The price of space mirrors and artificial trees is FAR too high, rocketed sulfur FAR too risky, only this idea and ocean phytoplankton feeding make sound practical and economic sense, can be begun TODAY, and carried out in WEEKS. 

Co-opting living creatures is a million times MORE EFFECTIVE than employing technology. 

  

ANDERS

I DON’T believe what any government says, ever. If it said “It’s a fine day”, I’d run out and check BOTH front AND back. And THEN I’d REMAIN NERVOUS 

What SO pisses me off is that FAR TOO FEW PEOPLE think PROPERLY 

Do you realise HOW WEAK a people is when it doesn’t have sufficient scientific understanding? When it CANNOT follow a LOGICAL train of thought? 

When it lacks the basic life-skills to SURVIVE technological collapse? 

CT supporters are HARDENED in their weakness. They FEAR science, which is in truth their ONLY salvation. They don’t know how to farm, make clothes, make things, make provisions – they barely know how to cook. If the NWO WERE to “depopulate” them, they’d murder each other at the doors of empty supermarkets 

There are MANY ironies. Earlier govt attempts to protect people from germ warfare are NOW construed as “practice” attempts at depopulation. 

SMALL experiments of geo-engineering are NOW considered PROOF of of govt attempts to reduce immunity. The list goes on and on…. 

If there is to be a conflagration (and 2012 seems about right to me!) then I REALLY DON’T WANT TO BE INVOLVED. I DO NOT WANT TO BE KILLED IN SOME GADARENE STAMPEDE! 

Maybe human “civilisations” CANNOT LAST. It is ANOTHER IRONY, it seems to me, that once we lived in continual fear of NUCLEAR SPASM (THE BANG!) and now it seems it’s going to be SOCIO-ECONOMIC COLLAPSE (THE WHIMPER!) brought about, in part, by the CHEMTRAIL PARANOIA. The rest, and greater part, of course, seems to be the moral collapse of the US govt. 

EVERY PILLAR of the “chemtrail” hypothesis proves on examination to be UTTERLY FALSE. It is based on BAD SCIENCE and LOOSE ASSOCIATION. It is a complete and utter CHIMAERA – a tragic waste of time – only distinguishable from WARFARE by its LACK OF DEATHS. 

But it has PLENTY OF VICTIMS, and PLENTY MORE TO COME… 

Jesus casting out the Gadarene Swine

Jesus casting out the Gadarene Swine

DISCOVERY?

beachcomber2008


@tgambill
“911-martial-fourth planned coup-1934-1963-1972-Executive O 11647-11731-1973-Failed-passed -Trilateral Com-1974-Obama-three weeks”
Great stuff.  Means bugger-all when “chemtrails” turn out to be plain old contrails and you turn out to be bottom of your class in atmospheric physics.  How long have you spent in this totally useless activity?  Just think how much of your life you would save if you went to school.  Just think of the good things you could have been doing instead.

irojioqopiewjr

Sure it just so happens.  Why should I believe you when all you do is spread hatred.  Only you will be on here 24/7 next week and thereafter unless you change your account name again. The vulgar way you speak to others in these chat rooms I hope I never have to see you in the hospital or call your hotline

fricktionvixen


I spend a total of 2 hours a day ridiculing those who continue sick fear mongering practices. It’s just so happened that I have a week off from work. How about you?  I am employed, I work 2 jobs to support my family.
1. I am an Emergency 911 operator and
2. Bio/chemical technician.

tgambill

Those with the alleged IQ are being very stupid about this time unless they wake up before the next 911, martial law, a fourth planned military coup.  Three planned military coups were attempted in our history as evidenced by congressional investigation in 1934, one in 1960 -1963 and that scum named Nixon planned one from 1969 to 1972, as evidenced by Executive Order 11647 and 11731 in 1972 to 1973.  Failed but passed on to the Trilateral Commission in 1974. Obama completed this plan three weeks ago.
Science is made up by the money and control by the Masons, CFR, and Rockefeller foundation money. Try again with your fantasies. History is proven to be fabricated, science goes out to the Agenda set by the emerging world order. 300 microbiologists were murdered around the year 2000 to 2002….the names are available.  You best wake up before our next civil war and martial law does.
@frick….I spend no hours, I know they are real. Factual Documented Scientific information….lol….:)) Oh, like the age of the universe, or the we now came from fish or better yet, Global warming?  Please, I’ll read Wizard of Oz another Illuminati production for fun. 🙂

irojioqopiewjr

How many hours in a day do you spend ridiculing others and spreading your lies?  24/7.  You’re on all the pages doing the same thing.  Gosh you sure do spend a lot of time 24/7 on pages that you know are just hoopla.  You must be part of the 22% of unemployed Americans.  You’ve got too much time on your hands or your getting paid by Cass Sunstein and his COINTELPRO agency.
Expanding chemtrails can be seen daily now in my town. This is not even physically possible but it happens daily. Look up!

fricktionvixen

lol great comment moneymail002.  ‘your overlords’ – My overlords are your overlords according to your belief system.  If such overlords exist they’re in power and you are just a simple taxpayer just like the rest of us.  lol  So why would you think you’ve gained freedom from them?  How many hours in a day do you spend convincing yourself that chemtrails are real?  I wish you spent and equal number of hours reading factual documented scientific information and used some constructive critical thinking as well.  Perhaps you would discover that the world isn’t such a scary place after all.

moneymail002

Why do people sit there and say their government IS doing this or that?  All of your “proof” is based on unproven assumptions and has no validity whatsoever; it originates in this RELIGION that says the government and scientists are some sort of entirely separate social tier concerned mainly with the destruction of the rest of society.  Yet for some reason you seem shocked when people with an IQ and an understanding of science above those of the average monkey refuse to believe your crap.

fricktionvixen

cointelpro?  Goodness, did it ever cross your mind that perhaps these people who are commenting in regards to the propaganda TrutherD1 is spreading, are simply stating hard scientific facts to disperse the multitude of crap built up around stupid conspiracy theories?

tgambill

The conspiracy is true.  The crap is made up of those lying about a conspiracy theory…there is no theory.  It is fact.  Most all of the events today and in the past are part of this unified conspiracy.  The evidence is irrefutable.  If you want I can send you the references, thumbnail list, of 8 pages and a chronology that is supported by scholarily research that covers over 140 pages+ a summary. bring it on.

beachcomber2008

@tgambill
I know your “list”.  It is pseudoscience.  Your “evidence” isn’t refutable because it isn’t evidence.  8 pages of pseudoscience only has value as COMPOST.  ALL your miserable “work” has been through contrailscience. com and jazzroc. wordpress, com and been torn to shreds.  Such shreds are plant food.  Are you a plant?  Do you photosynthesize?  You certainly don’t THINK.

tgambill

lol….you types are all alike.  You actually think that your useless diatribe is effective.  There isn’t a history or economic professor that could refute the truth.  They can lie, and then go to the CFR bank as they are prostitutes for the eiltes like Ayn Rand was.  You just might have a point.  Its easier for you people to lie and deny since you apparently have no soul.  The truth however won’t be denied in due time.  There is nothing you can do about that.
Oh, your overlords are getting ready to pull something. They just don’t know that they are signing their own death warrant.

beachcomber2008

@tgambill
Yeah.  It’s been tough here in Tenerife.  My God, man, it RAINED here last night!  I had to pick my way round the puddles as I walked down the town with my dear little dog to buy some bread and ham for my breakfast.  Then when I returned to my desk I discovered I was in “communication” (apparently) with a blind and stupid egocentric arsehole blowing out compost, and believing it to be “truth”.  SCIENCE refutes your miserable and pathetic lies with ease.  “History” “Economics”? LOL

fricktionvixen

Well said beachcomber2008.

barubba

YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS: ULTIMATE PROOF OF CHEMTRAIL SPRAYING!  watch?v=MRUqogeAgHo  watch?v=VLA0yejkeYM  watch?v=qSDkdOpjiSc&feature=re lated

TheOcturian1111

NASA = Admit Zero!  We are not idiots, we are a collective, we are oneness, we are 11:11 we are awakened giants.

eruditemaestro1

@beachcomber2008
Thank you so much for the compliments!  I appreciate your acknowledgement of my informative channel.  By all means, you are welcome to view my channel at any time.  Bye bye for now JAZZ(BANNED)ROC.

Derfglouglou

ffs… Nut cases from A to Z…

Razr89A

Why do people sit there and say their government isn’t doing this or that, instead of actively questioning said government?  Why defend something you have no idea about..

beachcomber2008

@Razr89A
Why propose something of which you are completely ignorant?  You do.  The reflection of this ignorance is the ignorance you so foolishly project upon others.  It is confirmed by the lies you have already accepted.  And the consequences of which, which you haven’t,  because you certainly lack the means to foresee them.  The bill for this life course direction will be paid in full by you – one day.

tgambill

@truther..those that are going after you are more than likely cointelpro. Alex Jones gets his stuff from them and in fact works for the elites as does Ron Paul (Mason) and Naomi Wolf.  They are the ones pretending to be on our side but work different roles for the globalist.

TrutherD1

@tgambill, Thanks for the heads-up – I know you’re right. For the last few months the same guys have been responding with aggression and ridicule even of legitimate and recognized science.  It quickly became obvious their whole mission here is to parrot the govt. story and ridicule and distract good people seeking honest answers.

tgambill

Now, link the chemicals with mind control, ELF and GWEN Towers, and HAARP.  This should really get your interest peaked when “DISCLOSURE” and “Day of Declaration” comes in July, with the Benjamin Creme and this weirdo named Maitreya. They work together.  The chemtrails have Barium Oxide, Aluminum Oxide (rainbow colors) and Barium Chloride on occasion.  The purpose is to destroy the immune system and in fact the chemicals have killed off the bee population.  The bees account for 80% of the natural food supply.  This will aid in the food genocide later to support Kissinger’ NSSM 200 Depopulation Plan to reduce the worlds population.  In heavy spraying causes seizures, Pre-mature births, lung problems, etc…it is a conspiracy, fact.

firstwave2

show yourself shill’

TrutherD1

@beachcomber2008, Yeah they send weather balloons once, twice a day, sometimes hourly.  If conditions say no contrails ’til 10km and you see a low-level trail it would make sense to become suspicious.

beachcomber2008

All the fraudulent Rosalind’s questions have normal scientific answers.  Patrick Minnis is the foremost expert on satellite atmospheric studies.  Particulates made of ICE CANNOT BE POLLUTION.  Viruses, fungi and bacteria, are brought down by the water in the atmosphere.  William Thomas doesn’t seem to notice that complaints come from cities, which ARE places you DO get viruses, fungi and bacteria.  A bollocks programme, and a bollocks post…

TrutherD1

@beachcomber2008, Do you work for the government?  What’s the harm in investigating?

beachcomber2008

@TrutherD1
investigating something for which there is already an accurate and cogent explanation is a waste of time which would have been better spent investigating something worthwhile.  You and the fraudulent bitch above are worse than useless – YOU are just about as harmful as you can get without actually “chemtrailing” yourself.  Do I make myself clear, DUMMY?

ar5281ar

heavy chemtrails again today! DAILY when i can see the blue skies!

lipoicacid

Research ”ENMOD” treaty at the U.N. site, State department website and read ”Between Two Ages”.  The water supply is ”poisoned” and so now is the food supply genetically modified.  This was done decades before without approval by ”representatives”.

TrutherD1

Discovery basically avoids the real issue. Just search for “chemtrails” and check any other result than this one. LOL

AgentHuggyBear

Powerful stuff!, great video mate!.  Check out peyote the band on my space.  The track “Don’t Waste Any Time” mentions this stuff.  Nice to hear this message making it into the mainstream!

sedg1

@brad213 – they are creating ‘ climate change’ to unite the world into a one world government, and to acheive the ‘mother earth ‘cults agenda.

lipoicacid

I always leave room for doubt…  but I will you are right on because I have some of the evidence.

brad213

We all breathe the same air.  What would anyone benefit from poisoning the oxygen within our atmosphere.  Wouldnt it be easier to poison our water supplies?

ar5281ar

scaremenga, you really are brillant aren’t u?  have you checked out the unemployment rate lately?  god, there’s SO MUCH work out there isn’t there!  LMAO!  p.s. the perfect slave believes he’s free, u are a perfect slave!  chemtrails daily when i can see the blue skies!

barubba

YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS: ULTIMATE PROOF OF CHEMTRAIL SPRAYING!  watch?v=MRUqogeAgHo  watch?v=VLA0yejkeYM

finodigrassio

chemtrails are there to prohibit ufos from entering our atmosphere. research the magnetic and energetic properties of chemtrails and probable
ufo propulsion systems

socaljay45001

can you tell me more about this?

MrBlueSky36863

Here’s an interview with a guy who used to be on the inside of the chemtrails project, aka clover leaf?  Give it a listen, make up your own mind.  it won’t let me post this thing for some reason, so I’ll try it without the URL, instead just put the following into the youtube search browser.  Ex government employee talks about chemtrails

mrfatandslow

i really dont know what to say. you need to slow down and think about what your saying!

Skywitness

Chemtrail spraying is boldly being done right over unprotected civilian populations, such as what is happening in the following video: v=uRoNDxAWQo4

scaremenga

Again with the go back to sleep?  Isn’t the job of “Truthers” to wake those who are asleep up?  LOL.  Yeah, I should be asking that question.  Why would they want to kill us slowly?  So they can have more work to do?  it would be easier to enslave us all, especially if they are as advanced as you people say they are.  How do you know how much they plan to eliminate? Did they publish a “NWO Manifesto” somewhere?

ar5281ar

WOW is right!  CONtrails daily when i can see the blue skies! scaremenga and mrfatandslow PLEASE go back to sleep or just get a good copy of the 911 commission report, should keep you sheeple busy for YEARS!

MsSmileyA

WOW to all u idiots who really beleive that our government is trying to take care of you=== UR A BUNCH OF IDIOTS!  It’s because of ignorant people like you that these things are going on.  Use COMMON SENSE!  Look in the sky.  When would normal planes blow out THICK FLUFFY clouds of smoke that hang in the air for hours up to a full day?  THEY DONT!  &if you’ve ever seen these planes – they will blow out the chemicals and stop.  If this was normal engine ejections they would continue the whole flight!

mrfatandslow

whats it like to live a life of such deep paranoid thoughts that you believe the goverment wants to kill you?  enjoy your fantasy world!

QuietRiot91

@scaremenga
“Why would the “NWO” want to destroy the population.”  Are you sure you should really be asking that question?  That is in fact one of their “goals” if you will.  They plan to eliminate about 90% of the worlds population.

KrazedKitten

scaremenga a lot of it has to do with weather manipulation and radar obscuration.  Unfortunately, what they’re using to do this is not healthy for us to be breathing.

golfisgreat123

no your a stuped fucking bastard when a jet engine burns its fuel you get vapor that comes out the back which is harmless water freezing

jrnesbit

problem with opinions is some of them have no base or real concrete evidence, and a lot of opinions are formed by subjective, emotional thinking instead of logical thought.  So most of these things you call opinions are instead theories or speculations.  I just saw yesterday for the first time in my life about 30 “trails” in the sky in my area.  I have a couple ideas of what they are, but I have not encountered enough evidence either way to sway me into a conspiracy opinionist.

ar5281ar

scaremenga please go back to sleep, awesome vid KarakulBrigand!  watch STESSO AEREO, SCIE DIVERSE!  4 trails only 2 persist!  awesome catch!  i see someone doesn’t like this one, they spammed u! lol! ANOTHER day with chemtrails here in s.e.wisconsin today, daily when i can see the blue skies!  just gotta observe daily and not believe WORDS that are fed to you! ps. polarized sunglasses are a priceless tool!
 
scaremenga

LOL. I thought the mission of people like you were to wake up these “sheeple” and here you are telling me to go back to sleep, into my world of “fantasies”.  I’d rather die in me sleep, metaphorically speaking, than die wide awake.  That’s just me.  ROFL.  Don’t call me an ignorant loser either.  I used to believe in chemtrails too, but evidence I found on a variety of unbiased websites, like the one with the largest datebase of aircraft photos, has obviously reversed my views.  couldn’t help this, but aren’t you guys feeding me words right now?  In the form of videos and flame comments?  You’re no better than the people you’re “fighting against”!

KarakulBrigand

Watch this vid: STESSO AEREO, SCIE DIVERSE! same plane, different trails!  Four trails two persist two do not.

brownsugar15068

set up because they know once they scare everybodi into getin the swine flu shot there are gonna be plenty of deaths oh and guess what isnt that what they want to depopulate the planet so there will be less people to control in the new world order do research because im not making any of this up to scare anyone its all fact there are tons of videos on youtube that that prove me right thanks for the complement also an f ur taught to keep an open mind then open ur mind to some research

scaremenga

I did do some research.  I was also taught that just because someone has an opposing viewpoint, doesn’t mean they are wrong.  Everyone’s entitled to their opinions, just as you are.  Were you taught that in school?  There’s tons of videos that prove me right too.  Why would the “NWO” want to destroy the population.  Who wants to rule a crippled population?  Even if they dominate the world, then they’ll have billions of sick *frankly* losers under their whips. How fun.

brownsugar15068

yes I have no clue wat a grid system or sumthin is maby I should look it up but if our govornment loves us so much why do they have fema camps set up all over the usa why do they have concrete cofins ur an idiot and yes they do because they dont want us riseing against the new world order there tryna creat okay in high school they teach you to obey obey obey and college is just more enslavement for the people why do people go to college get out an work at walmart if thats the case then you dont need to go to college u brainwashed dummy they also tryna kill us with there swine flu shoots why do we need mercury and swaline in out bodies cuz they tryna kill us and these are some of the ingr
 
scaremenga

I’m not brainwashed to obey; the exact opposite in fact.  All of my teachers, especially my AP Euro teacher, encourages us to maintain an open mind.  He links Europe’s sour past with ignorance and obedience.  And if there’s anybody against total obedience, it would be me.  Did I ever judge you personally?  No.  So there’s no purpose to call me an idiot.  If swine flu shots are so bad, don’t get them.  You’re not forced to.  Instead of accusing, maybe you should research the grid system. contrails

jnoort

I am sorry I pissed you off.  What does the space preservation act actually say about chemtrails?  Contrails can be persistent, if the humidity of the surrounding air is high.  It’s not rocket science.  If the air is dry, the contrails will sublimate quickly, turning the ice crystals into water vapour.  If the air is humid, the surrounding air can’t hold more water than it already does, and the contrail is persistent.

brownsugar15068

Umm I dont have to sit in front of a computer to view chemtrails I can walk out side ansee them all over the sky like some one is spraying chemicals in an orderly fashion so to your answer ur question you are the dumb one

scaremenga

I’m the dumb one for saying that the government doesn’t want dumb people?  Which they don’t?  Why are contrails showing up in an orderly fashions?  Why don’t you Google the flight grid for your local area, you’ll notice that it’s comprised of lines following “orderly fashion[s]”, it keeps air traffic in a structured matter.  Better yet, why don’t you get the tail numbers of these sprayers?  And then track them online?  Maybe you’ll be able to see they aren’t government-sprayers, and just innocent pax.

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GENUINE BULL

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GenuineBull: Persistent lies of chemically-infused butt spray dispersals from typically uninformed brains which are now seen in YouTube all over the world. Unlike normal conversations formed by normal people, GB’s words spread to form a thick blanket of bullshit, held together by straws until they reach the ground, contaminating crops, water supplies and humans with a pungent stink of lies and dessicated innuendoes which contain active human pathogens. The cure: contrailscience.com

GENUINE PROFESSIONALS

Chemtrails Parts I and II ? Miles Muzio Chief Meteorologist KBAK-TV, CBS 29 News, Bakersfield California

Genuine professionals are people called by some as “disinformationalists” (sic).

They are ALWAYS people who KNOW what they are talking about. Chemtrailers automatically HATE these people and call them “useful idiots”.

Miles Muzio here is a regular guy who is obviously good at his job, but not too practised in rebutting or debunking conspiracy fools. (I can tell because he occasionally misuses some relevant terminology himself, which one has learned NOT to do when fighting such a war of ideas. In particular he seems unaware of the existence of supersaturation as a special condition of the stratosphere.)

He says: “This is an ongoing controversy with some people who insist a malevolent conspiracy is subliminally gassing Americans. I have found no credible evidence of this. Condensation trails are common and form as a function of temperature. Condensation nuclei are produced by hydrocarbon exhaust and quickly form ice fog in the high atmosphere. The colder it is at flight level the more persistent the ice fog is.

There are really three types of fog (which are manifest as clouds aloft): 1) regular water droplet fog at temperatures above freezing, 2) water droplet fog at temperatures below freezing (which can result in icing conditions for aircraft), and 3) ice crystal fog (ice fog). Ice fog generally forms at temperatures below -22F. In arctic towns during the dead of winter it is not unusual to have ice fog form behind cars on the road. Ice fog dissipates very slowly because it must sublime from solid to vapor which requires a molecular heat transfer of about 620 calories per gram. At extremely low temperatures in the 30,000 to 40,000 foot range (between -60 and -100 degrees F), this change of state can take some time.

When I was a military meteorologist in Alaska back in the 1970s, one of the routine forecasts I put out was a contrails prediction. It was something that dated back to World War II. Our bombers needed to know at what altitude they must fly in order to NOT produce contrails. Of course, there was radar back then and the Japanese probably could spot an incoming B-29, but perhaps not. If contrails were visible 100 miles away then everyone would know. Nomograms were developed for the prediction. It was fairly straight forward. A critical temperature and pressure was required for contrail formation, usually something like -45F. Humidity came into the equation for relatively warm temperatures, but once it got below about -70F humidity didn’t matter – ice clouds would form regardless. When you see jets in which the contrail forms for only a short distance behind the aircraft and then it quickly disappears – that means the jet is flying at an altitude close to the critical contrail temperature.

I can also tell you that the manner in which contrails disperse, or don’t disperse, reveals important information about atmospheric stability and diffluence. The same is true about lenticular clouds that form in Tehachapi. These mountain wave clouds don’t automatically form when it’s windy. There are several other considerations, such as stability, humidity and the wind angle relation to the mountain range.

In the same way contrails will expand in areas of diffluent flow (winds pulling apart over a horizontal area). Much of this also applies to steam or exhaust that is released from a common smoke stack in breezy conditions. If the smoke goes up or if it goes down, if it expands or if it stays uniform – all tell a story about the character of the atmosphere. So when contrails form an X in the sky, it means there are two persistent contrails behind aircraft with tracks at 90-degrees to each other – nothing more. Go to contrailscience.com for further details.”

GEORGE CARLIN

“YOU ARE ALL DISEASED”

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This was an American with a single-digit percentage of bullshit telling Americans what was wrong with their thinking (not that he didn’t have a world-wide appeal!). I tremendously respected and admired this man, and still keep him in mind when I write – he helps me keep my OWN bullshit in check.

What he says about DISEASE (and many other issues) should be MANDATORY MATERIAL in education.

He was the very embodiment of  MATURITY…

GET REAL

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Aviation kerosine contains no metal, and burns to form steam and carbon dioxide. Chaff is INERT. Civil planes aren’t fitted with spray equipment. The world’s 1500 active (24/7) volcanoes outdo Man’s efforts twentyfold. Living plants have converted THAT into FRESH AIR for 3 billion years. Human skin and lung diseases are caused by pollens and auto fumes and photoreactive smog combined. Worry about deforestation and the death of ocean phytoplankton. GET REAL! PEACEFULLY!

GIVEMEABREAKGIVEMEA…

“He will just waste your time and energy” – You ARE wasting everyone’s time.

“I learned the hard way” – You have LEARNED not a thing

“posts on other chemtrail videos” – who LIE as YOU do..

“comments from other people about him on his YouTube profile” – There was ONE SMART GUY there…

“all over the web debunking chemtrails” – I would STOP if there were any PROOF to the contrary.

“google “jazzroc”” – and some extreme “chemtrailer” crap crops up amongst scientific and musical references. Embarrassing.

“logical explanation for his behavior is he is paid” – NO. For want of a scientific understanding you guys are talking complete rubbish, and I thought to point you in a scientific direction. While you talk utter crap you’ll get nowhere. (Don’t you just LOATHE people who talk past you?)

“jazzroc (aka “Epoxynous”, “doublemeat”)” – They are OTHER PEOPLE I’m pleased to have been in touch with.

“”soda pop” crap” – Which is COMPLETELY TRUE – but call it CRAP, and maybe it’ll go away, eh?

“never-ending arguments” – NEVER HAPPEN BETWEEN SENSIBLE PEOPLE.

“He attacks anyone” – I attack ANY BAD IDEA.

“chemtrails may not be simple contrails” – may not exist, for the complete ABSENCE of PROOF.

“bombard you with “scientific evidence”” – as found in TEXT BOOKS ON SCIENCE

“he refers to his own website as proof” – It has a potted life history, photographs, my composed jazz and my synthesized classics (some of it interesting. “Fire and Ice” and “Variations on a Theme by Thomas Tallis” I recommend), pictures of my daughter’s wedding, blogs on volcanoes/contrails, “intelligent” design, canvassers, religion.

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“responds with a barrage of insults and bizarre accusations (such as “you are either uneducated or evil”)” – (some barrage) but only after enduring STREAMS OF ABUSE from people who are resolutely opposed to either REASON or LOOKING THINGS UP. Only YOU would think my accustion bizarre!

It IS EVIL to do HARM, and propagating LIES is HARMFUL.

“Classic misdirection” – (Yours) is being followed by MY REDIRECTION. Your answers to my posts NEVER QUESTION THE SCIENCE, NEVER argue the SCIENCE, NEVER even acknowledge the SCIENCE.

(You call Science “DISINFORMATION”!)

Let me tell you something.

SCIENCE DOES NOT REQUIRE BELIEF TO WORK AND BE CORRECT. Disbelief in Science WILL NOT MAKE IT GO AWAY.

If you have an enemy who is using WORKING SCIENCE to depopulate YOU, he is MORE LIKELY TO SUCCEED if YOUR UNDERSTANDING of Science is abysmally POOR.

WAKE UP. READ UP.

And I don’t mean read up THE LIES YOU TELL EACH OTHER.

I MEAN GO TO THE LIBRARY, GO TO SCHOOL.

LEARN about the atmosphere. TRY to get a PROPER SENSE OF SCALE about the SIZE OF THE EARTH.

Read JANE’S AIRCRAFT so that you can UNDERSTAND more about aircraft design and stop making such fools of yourselves.

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BREATHTAKING QUOTES

(A Roll of Honor)

For some time now (writing in May of 2009) I have been feeling less alone, and more heartened by others speaking up as I do against chemtard foolishness, but often more eloquently, or more wittily than I’m able to do, throwing in a lightness of touch which I both envy and admire, or cutting to the centre of a misperception with a rapier’s slash.

STARS15K

And so I introduce a heroine of mine, STARS15K, featuring both in YouTube and Contrailscience, who describes herself thus: “I’m just a middle-aged, middle-income, middle-American, dog-loving, wool spinning, fly-tying, sock knitting, married to the only man i ever dated, Grandma of two, cloud-freak. I’m so proud.”

That is real smart.

I’m going to add to this list, of course, because I have come across suitable candidates previously, but I dedicate it to STARS15K because, well, she probably can always head up such a list!

And what she writes here is really beautiful:

Real Science, has facts and is the same everywhere. CT theory doesn’t fit these criteria. Laws of gravity, thermodynamics, aerodynamics, fluid dynamics, physics, chemistry, meteorology can’t be repealed by any government or entity. They have to remain the same. When science shows the same results over and over again, it means that is a fact. When you have just facts, you know the truth. When you understand the truth, the sky is the sky again, clouds look like bunnies or Homer Simpson, colored sunsets are beautiful, and planes can leave signs of their passing overhead without fear and worry.

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UninterestedNU2

I would like to ask you why those who are in the meteorology/aviation field need to go through years of schooling when all one has to do is “look up” in order to understand what is happening as an airplane flies through varying weather conditions. If one can just simply rely on their eyes to explain complex weather movements and air masses, why go to school at all? Can’t you just imagine for a moment that these are complex concepts that require actual training to understand? Both meteorology and aviation are rare subjects to study and there are not many people in a given area who have learned about such subjects. Isn’t it possible that those you have learned from are uneducated in these subjects also?
Can I understand the complicated jet engine just by looking at it or do I need to study a bit to understand that it COMPRESSES the air it takes in and then mixes that high pressure air with fuel and ignites it to create thrust? To believe you understand the atmosphere and how all the elements work together, without studying from a source other than youtube (and other “websites”), is absurd. I hope you learn the truth someday, for your sake and the sake of your children. No one should live in fear of the lines in the sky when here there are billions of sources of pollution right down here on the ground to worry about. The funny, and ironic, FACT is that the trails hold LESS danger to you and your family than some of the water down here that is labeled fit for human consumption. You focus on the absurd while ignoring true dangers. If you fertilize your lawn, you are exposing your children to MUCH higher concentrations of dangerous substances than you can find in MILES of persistent contrails.

Please stop telling lies about people you know nothing about here, or on youtube. It makes you look foolish and paranoid. I really do hope you find the truth. I would hate to live in fear as you people obviously do.

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Grommo

(In his YouTube channel comments)

Yeah sure.

The government

keeps info about the real world

hidden from the population

in storage devices called “books”

kept in secret vaults known as “libraries”.

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UNCINUS

(Such a hero of mine. His site: CONTRAILSCIENCE.COM)

How is your belief as valid as mine? I think “The cloud photos in this 100 year old book are natural”.

You think “The cloud photos in this 100 year old book indicate the use of Tesla’s scalar energy used to modify the weather, a practice that has gone on for the last 100 years and continues today”.

To back up my belief (really a theory, but let’s call it a belief, no need for semantic arguments), I point out that the science of meteorology, as practised in every country in the world by hundreds of thousands of scientists, and as reported in tens of thousands of scientific articles and research papers, and verified by millions of experiments, and as followed by millions of amateur scientists and meteorologists, and modeled by thousands of weather forecasting systems, and taught in schools and universities, is entirely consistent with the photos in the book. In addition, the exact same clouds were observed hundreds (and even thousands) of years BEFORE the book was published.

To back up your belief, what? Tesla made vague mention of “scalar energy”, a technology that nobody has ever demonstrated by experiment in any way. Technology supposedly invented 100 years ago that no country in the entire world has ever used – despite its promise of “free” energy. Somehow this is being used to modify the weather of the entire planet – and you can offer no evidence other than “it seems like something they would cover up if they were doing it”.

Not all beliefs are equally valid. If I believed that clouds were the condensed breath of invisible dragons, then you would quite likely disagree. If you want your alternative beliefs to be taken seriously, you need to at least approach the degree of evidence that supports the mainstream beliefs.

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Manmanatee

The reason we have not been able to find any legitimate proof that chemtrails exist is because they simply do not exist. The term is an internet creation to make condensation trails aka contrails sound more sinister.

When you actually look at the facts, as Uncinus proposes, you can see the argument in support of these chemtrails quickly reduces to nothing more than a bundle of pseudo-science, assumption, misguided correlations and unqualified uneducated personal testimony.

I have yet to find for myself one argument for the existence of these ‘chemtrails’ that does not skirt around the real results from real studies from real accredited sources. Instead, I have just found these arguments to resort to personal attacks and contradictory statements.

For example, how can you argue that the government is lying to us to cover this up and at the same time use government information taken out of context as the proof chemtrails exist? Logically, if this is the huge conspiracy, involving thousands of people, falsified studies and an extreme government cover up, wouldn’t the simplest thing these conspirators would do would be to remove those links to themselves?

Of course, this is speculation on my part and should be taken as such. I am not a professional of any kind in this matter and I don’t believe anyone should be convinced on my word alone just as I will never be convinced by your word alone.

What we do have, however, is science and legitimate information. Anyone can access these studies and weigh both sides of this argument and make an educated decision. For me the answer is simple; chemtrails do not exist and so this conspiracy does not exist.

Contrails do exist. Everyday, the number of airplanes in our skies increase as do the number of contrails left behind. Instead of trying to justify our paranoia with fictional conspiracies, we should be looking at what is actually going on in the world we create for ourselves.

Our air is polluted, our water is polluted, our earth is polluted, we don’t need to create something like chemtrails to prove this. Instead of creating government conspiracy in our minds we should acknowledge the real perpetrators, ourselves.

We drive the cars, we fly in the planes, and we ignore the effect each one of us has on the environment around us. No one wants to see the blood on our own hands, an enemy image is easier for us to justify than taking the blame for our own contribution to an increasingly polluted planet.

We desperately need to stop pointing fingers and start taking responsibility for our own actions.
We need to ask ourselves the hard question; What actions or in-actions am I taking that contribute to the problem and what am I doing to create a solution?

The answer is yours alone and yours to reconcile with yourself.

“As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities.” -Voltaire

obzelite

Ahh, the catch cry of the liar and charlatan, got no proof, caught redhanded knee deep in bullshit, then start calling people a shill to try and divert.

Show some proof, retard. show the planes on the ground, show me the tankers transporting this stuff, show me the plants manufacturing this chemical.

You can’t because it’s all bullshit.

All you have is the same dumb-arse videos.  Go video rainbows in the sprinklers and drop some acid.

You can’t be any more brain damaged than you are already.



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PERMISSION – PERSISTENT CONTRAILS FROM THE FAR PAST – PIASILLO – PLENTIFUL – POPSODA – PROBLEMS – PSEUDOSCIENCE – Q & A – RANDOM – REASONING – RESEARCH – RESTITUTION – REVERSAL – RICK, HARRIET – RIGHT NOW

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PERMISSION

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“Who gave these people permission” – Nobody has.

“we are experimenting on a global scale” – “Nobody” IS. EVERYBODY IS.

“This (seeding the central oceans with phytoplankton fertilizer) is a BAD idea” – It’s the BEST IDEA IN YEARS.

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“You say that CT’s are disinformation” – WHAT is MORE disinformative than NON-EXISTENCE?

“global warming is the reason” – We’re heading for an ICE AGE! (Or we were, before we burnt 300,000,000 years worth of fossil fuel in 200 years).

“You apparently did work for the government/making your motives questionable” – What do you know of my motives? If I tell you I had a further sixty jobs, does that make a difference? If you question my motives, should I care?

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“Global Warming IS DISINFORMATION” – It possibly is; no-one has an equation which everyone can agree on. I take a Gaian point of view: the Living Earth will balance ALL unbalancing forces and/or finally ELIMINATE the unbalancing force. If that’s you, then more the fool you are.

“its a lie, to cover up the real motives at work here” – All men are liars. So are YOU if you pontificate… And as I know quite personally what I think, and also that you don’t know what I think, please allow me to call you a LIAR.

“EVERY SINGLE PLANET is WARMING UP” – True, but many of those planets are DEAD.  LIVING PLANETS CAN QUITE EASILY COOL WHEN THEY ARE WARMED BY THE SUN – BY ALTERING THEIR ALBEDO.

“The real reason is OIL” – There IS no “reason”, remember?

“The government/dedicated/oil industry” – You are SUCH a fool. You obviously believe in gov’t conspiracies etc. But HOW did YOU keep WARM this winter? Burnt some CARBON, DID YOU?

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“They are not interested in CO2 reduction” – Funnily enough, that doesn’t seem to be true (either), partially because they believe their own propaganda.

“They only want to treat the symptom not the cause” – The CAUSE is YOU. You, me and every other dumb clutz that MUST have a computer, keep warm, go to work, have children, “settle down”, celebrate Xmas, visit the relatives, read a book after sunset…. 

PERSISTENT CONTRAILS FROM THE FAR PAST

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These are PERSISTENT CONTRAILS. One of these pictures is 67 YEARS OLD… 

PIASILLO

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Hi piasillo. No, I’m an ex-engineer retired in Tenerife and composing music. Look me up.
Lung and skin diseases are caused by pollens+auto fumes+photoreactive smog, and can kill the young and old.
1500 active volcanoes (24/7) make Man’s efforts puny by comparison. Living plants have been turning THIS into FRESH AIR for 3 billion years. Worry about auto fumes, photoreactive smog, deforestation, and loss of ocean phytoplankton. Be reasonable. 

PLENTIFUL

“in movies up until the 90’s” – You mean, before CHEAP and PLENTIFUL air travel.

“When I was a kid/dissipate” – NOT TRUE. When you were a kid, you weren’t making the (false) connections you are making today. In 1943 the US Flying Fortresses were being shot doen in their HUNDREDS as a consequence of PERSISTENT CONTRAILS!

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“Today they stay” – THOUSANDS of large aircraft are ADDING WATER TO THE STRATOSPHERE.

You MIGHT EXPECT the INCREASE in saturation of the stratosphere to produce an INCREASE in the persistence of contrails. 

POPSODA

http://www.popsoda.com/linwegivourb.html 

PROBLEMS

Problems are going to confront our species from time to time.

It is said (by those best qualified to understand the problem) that it was already too late to prevent Global Warming in the seventies, when at that time those best qualified to understand were predicting the onset of the next Ice Age. Ah, well!

Kyoto and its “cap and trade” carbon agreements are threatening to become as much of a disaster as the events it is intended to obviate.

This is possibly because there are other activities which may be carried out which may also be used to prevent disaster, which presently have a very low priority.

These are:

a) to adopt measures which help us to adapt to the changing conditions, and

b) to adopt measures which work in the opposite way to global warming, like seeding the sky with droplet nucleii and causing more clouds, thus raising the albedo of the Earth and cooling it, or fertilize the mid-oceans, causing phytoplankton to absorb more CO2.

Watch this, which gives better reasons for cherishing our uniqueness, and gets to the same point:

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Q & A

“finally admit to the spraying of aerosols” – I’m a retired engineer living in Tenerife. I have NO money, and NO income either. Aerosols exist in the air, naturally, from volcanoes and animals and plants. They have been found as high in the atmosphere as any plane has flown. There are NO signs on planes or airfields of unusual (and corrosive!) fluids. Such fluids would make the plane DANGEROUS. Eventually, if not immediately, it would CRASH.

“all u do is debunk the word chemtrail, nothing else” – I’m hurt. On my channel there were 13 musical works. My Favourites were there for you to enjoy, as were my playlists. You could have found me, if you cared to look, on other science forums, discussing internal combustion engine design and arguing FOR Evolution on YT, and you’ll find other video sites, and many other music sites. There were a 1000 hits for me in Google (that’s now 7000, but I’ve amended the text to account from my YouTube ban, and other bans).

“debunk your goverment programming” – That would be the Spanish government? (I live in Tenerife!)

“u will see the truth” – NO-ONE has seen THAT! Certainly not you, you dumb clutz.

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 RANDOM

“random videos in your channel 2 make it look as though your an average guy” – Gee – thanks! Learn to spell. Then f*** off.

“You have just started doing that as people became suspicious” – Er, NO. If you look up myspace.com/jazzroc you’ll find out MUCH MORE about me, friends, pictures, wedding, classical music, blogs, etc. And check out SoundClick/Beachcomber, you’ll find more, and GarageBand/JazzRoc, and Esnips under Beachcomber/Jazzroc.

All of this PRECEDES my YouTube account.

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“Ive talked to many older ppl & NONE remember seeing these” – Free of obsessions they went about their business without looking up…

“”blue light scattering” EVERY SINGLE TIME” – The SUN and the STRATOSPHERE are there EVERY SINGLE TIME, so how could it be otherwise? The Sun has risen over every patch of the Earth (excluding inside of the polar circles) for 4.6 billion years…

“You spooks are professional bullshitters!” – “You” and “are” are the ONLY non-bullshit words in your sentence. I’m just an unemployed and semi-retired person living comfortably in Tenerife…   …and you’re DEFINITELY an amateur one…

In fact you seem to make a practice of being WRONG EVERY TIME. Is that YOUR profession? Remember: learn to spell, then… 

REASONING

Chemtrails don’t exist!

The reasoning (that contrails disperse quickly, and that which doesn’t is a chemtrail) is FALSE because SIXTY-FOUR YEARS AGO in WW2 US Flying Fortresses were hunted down by their persistent trails, which are always left in HUMID stratospheric (NB.: NOT tropospheric!) conditions.

The reasoning that Xes and grid patterns signify something proves to be FALSE because it can be easily demonstrated that shuttle traffic and crossing routes create these, and no further significance need be inferred. To go beyond that is to seriously enter the land of Oz.

The reasoning that we are being sprayed proves to be FALSE because the stratosphere (where it is said to occur) is TOO HIGH to target anything accurately, and passenger planes have no apparatus other than fuel dump nozzles to do it with. Engines would STERILIZE “morgellons”, and be PUT OUT by metal powders, so THAT idea is FALSE.

The reasoning that the US government is fighting Global Warming using AL/BA is FALSE because the operation is LOGISTICALLY BEYOND what the US govt can provide both in aircraft, fuel, and material. 3.4 million tons and 70,000 flights would be required for “treatment”…

The reasoning that “morgellons” is being used to depopulate the United States and the rest of the world, aside similar logistic objections (and 2000 deg exhaust temps), is FALSE because NO-ONE in peace-time (except maybe a child/moron!) is going to go out in the morning in protective clothing and spray his own people.

What assurances would they have to accept before they did this?

So now we’ve covered nearly everything, which TOTALLY CRAP idea would you like to RETURN to?

Why don’t you just tell me that “chemtrails” can be easily sampled by placing a tray on the ground? FALSE

It’s all rubbish, and by some accident the proponents have survived this world so far… a world which would have been a far, far better place without this weasel, Clifford Carnicom… 

RESEARCH

“100’s of chemtrail photos from a one hour period in my local sky” – You live near an airport…

“trails that start and stop for no reason” – FALSE. Stratospheric layers with differing temperatures and humidities.

“linger indefinitely” – The layer is 100% humid.

“grow into WILD feathery or crystalline shapes” – CIRRUS cloud.

“Many were sprayed” – BASELESS LIE.

“normal contrails” – A layer less than 100% humid.

“RESEARCH CHEMTRAILS if you have questions” – And you’ll get LIES for an answer.

If you want TRUTH then you must RESEARCH CONTRAILS. Remember to use ADVANCED SEARCH and “-CHEMTRAILS” if you are genuinely looking for anything sensible… 

RESTITUTION

It’s true. The States needs another political party.

It should be called the RESTITUTION PARTY.

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When in power it should lock up the Bush Cabal and throw away the key, then take the USA out of Iraq, apologising as it leaves. It should then disarm its people and hand its useful arms to the UN, thereby paying its bill.

It should then adopt a RENEWABLE FUEL policy, and compensate all the countries whose people it has murdered.

But don’t think that I’m on YOUR side.

I’ll NEVER side with a bunch of ignorant liars who don’t know which side is up when it comes to the nature and the DANGERS of contrails.

The story’s been written – CHICKEN LITTLE!

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 REVERSAL

“the cockpit would be empty” – This technology has been employed by aircraft for FORTY YEARS. What sort of revelation is THAT?

“I have a hard time believing our own people would do this to us” – Of ALL your hypocritical statements this is the best.

“Maybe jazzroc is a pilot?” – I last wanted to be a fighter pilot when I was fifteen. Then I decided I’d rather NOT FLY into danger until it became absolutely necessary. Dating had something to do with it.

“started criss crossing the skys” – Fast-moving and damp and yet TRANSPARENT stratosphere, crossing passenger shuttle routes are WETTING IT. Learn to spell.

“donuts” – Their correct technical name is PENDULES.

“quicker into clouds” – Because they ARE clouds, of FALLING ice crystals. Normally known as CIRRUS.

“It doesn’t matter what you believe” – in the case of SCIENCE, NO it doesn’t!

“darkness/decieve/fool/traitor/poison/nanobots/whatever” – Get that STAKE out and BURN ME.

GenuineBull – “exposers/crime” – “TO ALL OUR CUSTOMERS”. Genuine (can I CALL you Genuine?) I LIKE a guy who gets it out on the table…

“don’t pay JazzRoc A.K.A. (Epoxynous) any mind” – What’s to say? Epoxynous is an individual who co-manages a website in the States, JazzRoc is a retired Welsh gentleman in Tenerife.

“He’s been around a long time” – Yes. I am SIXTY FIVE years old, bass-guitarist, pianist, jet-engine tester, designer, COMPOSER. I, like Orwell, believe that in a time of UNIVERSAL DECEIT the TRUTH is a REVOLUTIONARY ACT (consult my site, also MySpace).

“sole purpose/deceive/cast doubt/not yet woken up” – A TRUTH REVERSAL.

“He believes he will not be judged but he will have his part in the lake of fire” – I’m sorry but I am NOT INTERESTED in things that CANNOT be SEEN, HEARD, SMELLED, TASTED, or FELT. Your mind disgusts me. (Another guy who talks past you).

“idiots who don’t know/difference/contrail/chemtrail/screw off/Hilton/video” – It’s a FREE world, but if you’d rather bash the Bishop I shan’t stop you.

“Don’t bother giving us your textbook explanations” – You? In particular? I’d rather give them to someone rational… it’s the best use for a BOOK.

“have not yet woken up/care about their lives and their loved ones” – Hmmm. Afraid to come out in the open? Agorophobic? The best cure for that is to OPEN THE DOOR, walk outside in to the OPEN AIR and take a BIG, DEEP, BREATH. Go walk the dog… … IT WON’T KILL YOU …

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 RICK, HARRIET

Rick, Harriet, you may think you are caring people, but your activities are contributing to damaging our society from within because the both of you are hopelessly wrong.

Clifford Carnicom is an evil person who should be denounced as a Machiavelli, a malingerer, a pseudo-scientist. You are wrong to give such a person support. He is a true terrorist who is preying upon your scientific and factual ignorance.

Persistent contrails have been known and photographed for sixty-eight years. Skies first turned white (all over) during the high-altitude close-formation 1000-bomber raids conducted by the USAF Flying Fortresses and Liberators over Germany between 1943 and 1945.

Internal combustion engines, whether they are 2,000 BHP radials or 40,000lb thrust gas turbine fanjets, produce carbon dioxide and steam at 2,000 deg F as exhaust products, with minuscule amounts of soot, and oxides of nitrogen and sulfur.

The (invisible!) steam in the exhaust meets stratospheric air at -40 deg F and in a fraction of a second turns to fine ice crystals. Depending on the relative humidity of this stratospheric air, these crystals may (i) sublime to invisible water vapour (ii) persist indefinitely, or (iii) increase in size as they pick up additional water from supersaturated air.

From seven miles beneath it isn’t possible to discern the transition from what you would call “normal” air to “stratospheric” air, for, of course, both types of air are normally transparent. Nor is it possible to distinguish easily whether or not aircraft are sharing the same altitude.

“Stratum” is the Latin for “layer” and might clue you in to the fact that the stratosphere is layered. These layers normally exhibit differing humidities – they do not mix with each other, nor do they mix with the troposphere – the “normal” air beneath the stratosphere. Hence aircraft flying at various heights through the stratosphere may appear to exhibit all three behaviours I have described – all at the same time.

Couple this with the fact that the air of the stratosphere is so cold and thin that its capacity to absorb sublimed ice as water vapor is greatly reduced compared with its capacity at sea level, and modern passenger aircraft are dumping a ton of ice every twenty miles, and it shouldn’t be difficult to envisage that heavy air traffic might fill a stratospheric layer with ice crystals. Each day the Earth’s stratosphere HAS to deal with a fresh load of 1,00,000 tons of jet aircraft ice…

So, “this most evil of assaults” is actually WATER…

Now I’m no fan of the Patriot act, but it seems to me that “this most evil of assaults” (yours!) falls well within its parameters. I should watch it if I were you. Perhaps you should stop what you are doing and pick up a book on atmospheric science and educate yourself before less sympathetic people undertake THEIR newly-drafted responsibilities to educate you. Those orange suits aren’t fetching and taking their “baths” looks uncomfortable.

MY BLOG contains much useful information which may both quell your fears and save the both of you from a lot of trouble. 

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The WHOLE of the atmosphere ALWAYS contains WATER.

Whether you’re looking at a cloud or at clear air, there’s actually the SAME AMOUNT OF WATER IN BOTH. The difference in visibility between clouds and sky is simply due to their DIFFERING amounts of heat and water droplet proportions. As far as my eye can see there’s a cloudless sky here, and the rel humidity is 65%.

I’m looking at 3,300 tons of invisible WATER in my sky RIGHT NOW.

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