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“those sky-grids” – you’re about to get the works on that from ME.
“scientific evidence proves that a great increase of planes cannot affect the upper stratosphere” – NO, IT DOESN’T AT ALL. Few aircraft fly in the UPPER stratosphere. They fly in the lower stratosphere, just above the tropopause. The stratosphere is easily affected by combustion exhaust water, because it is stable, and has only sublimation into water vapor, and the force of gravity upon the ice crystals, causing them to fall, as mechanisms for removal. Contrails spread in saturated or supersaturated conditions to cover the whole sky. What scientific evidence is this?
“you’re implying that air-layers combine suitably within an hour” – stratospheric layers don’t combine at all, but they may be filled with ice crystals as the planes’ wave vortices stir the layer contents.
“50′s, 60′s and 70′s disseminated all over Britain (millions of ppl affected)” – YOU’RE MISTAKEN AGAIN. Didn’t you know that WATER, KILLED BACTERIA, and a PHOSPHORESCENT DYE are HARMLESS? Please refer to me the records indicating that millions of people were affected. And, anyway, wasn’t this to do with finding out how to combat Russian germ warfare attack? Before you make free with the FALSEHOODS you should look up contrailscience.com and find out how your blathering stands up to reality. And for a further perspective on Man versus Nature you could look up my blog on:
I’ve debated the contrail vs. chemtrail theories with jazzroc for the past couple of months. I did present a well researched and thought out scientific argument to him. His response was to delete my comments from his weblog, and to block any comments I post.
a) you didn’t debate anything: you posted using an anonymous email address – once. That isn’t a debate. If you look in that inbox you’ll find letters from me still awaiting your response.
b) your research was poor and your science non-existent. There was nothing in your post which advanced anything. Except sophistry.
Contrails are known and measured as part of atmospheric science. It is “chemtrails” that is a theory.
What about the Bergeron-Findeisen theory? Can persistent contrails exist if the Bergeron-Findeisen theory were true?
If there ARE differing vapour pressure requirements for deposition of water onto either super-cooled droplets or ice crystals, then the Bergeron-Findeisen Theory is true, and the droplets will evaporate in favour of deposition onto the ice crystals. The evaporation will then raise the humidity, making it even more likely that the next aircraft will leave a permanent trail. Super-cooled droplets are produced aerodynamically over the wings in marginally-warmer conditions: the exhausts produce ice crystals at -40 or colder, which is the general rule over 30,000 feet.
But that makes no difference to the final outcome, which is that persistent contrails are clouds of ice crystals which cannot evaporate into the fully-saturated atmosphere which surrounds them.
Nor to the conclusions one can draw, which are:
a) that persistent trails are natural, and not the confirmation of “chemtrails”, and
b) all other “proofs” having been shown to be fraudulent, the case for “chemtrails” is non-existent.
Were you to study any physics at all, your “theory” would vanish, your “debate” disappear.
“tell not contrails” – NO YOU CANNOT. See below.
“My entire life this never happened” – It was happening BEFORE YOU WERE BORN.
“I watch planes/real contrails, and they disappear, but these chemtrails DO Not” – Your assumption is INCORRECT. Contrails CAN and DO persist in HUMID stratospheric conditions.
“only spray where the population lives” – Above every town is a RISING PLUME of HEAT and HUMIDITY. Contrails MAY persist in these plumes. Also you may care to check out satellite pictures from space, which show quite clearly that the trails form within humid atmospheric conditions.
“How stupid do they think people are?” – How stupid do you wish to remain?
“back and forth over the towns” – These are SEPARATE planes, each either COMING or GOING. No videos have ever shown a “spraying” plane circling to respray a town, because these aircraft are civil flights from one major airport to another.
“Why?” – Your answer’s above…
“targeting these areas/get the full benefit of the poisons” – JUST BULLSHIT AND BLUSTER (LIES). Just dial up a satellite view and you will see contrails wherever the atmosphere is moist. That is, randomly over land AND ocean, wherever the conditions are HUMID.
It is YOU that has been handed a line – which you cannot handle.
Don’t send me any more “information”. I am a very fast reader and have read and seen everything you’ve seen.
You have a problem with reasoning. Any reasonable educated person would listen to Carnicom for about FIVE minutes, and then switch him off. The reason he would do that is that he breaks all the rules of journalism and science. Instead of supplying EVIDENCE and PROOF he makes further assertions, breaking the “legal” chain of evidence. If you cannot see that I am sorry for you, but I’m no longer prepared to help you.
What makes you think that airborne materials MUST have come from an airplane, for instance? Do you KNOW how far vapour trail materials DRIFT? I don’t even need a calculator to tell you – from an altitude of seven miles it’s going to be AT LEAST TWO HUNDRED MILES DOWNWIND.
What makes you think that as you read this, you are NOT ingesting pathogens and metals? I can tell you that, for sure, you ARE, AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN INGESTING THEM. YOU ALWAYS WILL.
Your body is a DYNAMIC device, evolved over 4 billion years to COPE with such stresses. It WILL eliminate those metals AND KILL those pathogens.
It’s just a question of degree…
You lack the scientific understanding to prevent you from freely believing the UNBELIEVABLE.
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
“Namely, they persist for hours (eventually turning into a haze that doesn’t go away”
They’re in the stratosphere. That is, above five miles UP, about a fifth of atmospheric pressure, as warm as -40 deg C, maybe as cold as -80 deg, which is colder than the surface of Mars.
Passing planes laying 100lb of ICE per mile will SOON saturate the stratospheric layer they are in. Once that happens, the ice of the trail CANNOT SUBLIME ANY MORE INTO WATER VAPOUR. It MUST remain. It WILL persist for hours. The only reason it doesn’t persist for EVER, is that it is HEAVY, and FALLING.
“water doesn’t act that way” -You are WRONG. Water in the stratosphere is ICE. Not ice like in your fridge, more like finely powdered GLASS. I’ve lived in Germany, and deep in the continental land mass the temperature can fall very low in winter. I have experienced -40 deg C, and let me tell you ICE ISN’T EVEN SLIPPERY AT -40 DEG C. It is HARD and it is DRY. Say you were in a balloon at 32,000 feet and an Airbus came just by you at 575mph.
You’d be amazed at its speed, and also its colossal WAVE VORTEX, as it whirled the two trails around itself in two columns fifty yards across. The trail would sting your face like wind-whipped sand on a beach. Of course, your face would fall off with the intense cold as well…
“they are sprayed from unmarked aircraft” – WRONG AGAIN. They are marked, but the markings become invisible from the ground due to a phenomenon called “blue light scattering”. Had the plane been painted BLACK, from the ground you would see NO PLANE AT ALL
“they stop and start in a manner not consistent with normal contrail formation” – WRONG AGAIN. They start and stop PERFECTLY consistent with normal contrail formation. The trails are created in saturated or supersaturated air. The “inconsistency” is firmly in your understanding of the nature of the stratosphere.
Your mistake lies in assuming that these AIRS are DISTINGUISHABLE: they are NOT. All types of air are TRANSPARENT, get it? INVISIBLE! Hence a plane flying through dry air leaves no trail. It hits a humid area: it leaves a trail. Stop, start, stop, start. This can happen for miles: stratospheric layers frequently form ripples as a consequence of atmospheric compressibility following on downwind from upward ground projections such as ridges and mountains…
“photographed as not even coming from the engines” – That’s right. Either a) You don’t understand that the time taken for the exhaust to cool down from +1100 degrees to -40 degrees manifests itself as a GAP, or b) the plane has hit SUPERSATURATED air, when the WHOLE AIRFRAME sets a trail and the tightest vortices (wingtips, control surface ends) will cause the MOST ICE to get dumped.
“I don’t remember them as a child or teen” – I DO. I was always keen on aircraft, making them from the age of 7. Why would you? You wouldn’t be LOOKING for them. In our lifetime we’ve seen a TREMENDOUS increase in low-cost air travel, and a VERY RECENT increase in cheap videocams, and reduction in educational standards…
“the media will not talk about the issue” – They only talk about things that increase their sales. They also have good scientific advice which deters them from printing unconsidered rubbish. Living on the Spanish Canary Islands, I don’t read the media much…
“and some other reasons” – You better tell me what they are, for so far you have NOTHING…
It says IN THE ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA:
Contrail, streamer of cloud sometimes observed behind an airplane flying in clear, cold, humid air. It forms upon condensation of the water vapour produced by the combustion of fuel in the airplane engines. When the ambient relative humidity is high, the resulting ice-crystal plume may last for several hours. The trail may be distorted by the winds, and sometimes it spreads outwards to form a layer of cirrus cloud.
from “Uncinus” of “Contrailscience”
Contrails are clouds made from water vapor that condenses then freezes behind a plane engine. Since the engines are on constantly, it seems a bit odd when you see contrails with gaps in them, or even contrails that stop and start. If the engine is pumping out a constant amount of water, then why is the trail not constant? This puzzle is sometimes seized on by people who think that persistent contrails are actually “chemtrails”, or some kind of deliberate spraying operation.
But it’s actually very simple. The amount of water in the exhaust is pretty constant, but the amount of moisture in the air is not. The humidity varies with altitude in the stratosphere, and a layer of low humidity can be sandwiched between two layers of high humidity. As a plane climbs or descends through this layer, then the trail will only form in the areas of high humidity, and so look like it was “switched off” in the area of low humidity.
You can get the same effect with temperature. A warm layer of air can actually lay on top of a colder layer in what is called an “inversion” (you’ll hear this on the weather sometimes, referred to as an “inversion layer”). When a plane flies through this inversion layer, the trail can be “broken”.
It’s not just climbing or descending flights either. The boundaries between these layers is not flat, and gravity waves or rising convection currents of air can create large volumes of air that differ in temperature and/or humidity from the neighboring air, and so can break (or make) the contrail when the plane flies through them.
Don’t take my word for it though. Do a Google search for “broken contrail” and you’ll find lots of examples, and similar explanations.
NOAA – “Occasionally a jet plane, especially if ascending or descending, will pass through a much drier or more moist layer of atmosphere which may result in a broken pattern to the contrail, with it appearing in segments rather than in one continuous plume.”
AirSpace Magazine – “If the contrail stops, then starts up again, creating a broken line, chances are the airplane flew through a dry patch.”
Doc Weather – “What is happening here is that warm air rising from the ground carries vast amounts of water vapor upwards into the highest levels of the atmosphere. This water vapor exists as massive, plumes of warm, moist air ascending to very high levels. When a rising plume reaches the upper atmosphere it condenses into high ice clouds known as cirrus or feather clouds. In the case of the jet contrail (condensation trail) in the first image, the condensing cloud formed where the aircraft passed through a rising plume of moist warm air. The air on either side of the plume was not sufficiently moist to support the formation of an enduring cloud. As a result the contrail only remained visible in the warm plume.”
Now study the pictures above. The one on the left was entitled “broken contrail”, the one on the right “broken chemtrail”. If you know anything about analyzing computer jpg files, you will discover the one on the right to be FAKED (even though a telephone wire appears to pass through the “gap” in the “trail”.
Interesting, isn’t it? The “broken contrail” is honest, the “broken chemtrail” fake…
Sniker, you don’t know the WHY so don’t tell me the HOW.
It’s a case of RELATIVE humidity and DEW POINT. HOT WATER VAPOUR, which is what “steam” is, can only MAKE UP the air’s humidity to its 100% RH level as it cools down. Beyond that it MUST form droplets of water or crystals of ice, depending on the air temperature.
In either case (troposphere or stratosphere) if the air doesn’t get to its 100% RH the water will evaporate or sublime into water vapour over a short period. Stratospheric air is MORE LIKELY to be saturated or supersaturated BECAUSE it is LAMINAR, whereas the troposphere is TURBULENT, being the BOUNDARY LAYER. Hence you sometimes get PERSISTENT TRAILS in the stratosphere.
Jets DO leave WATER contrails down below in humid 95%+ conditions where they occur (tropics mostly) but they are more difficult to see, and CT guys aren’t videoing there. There is a YT CT vid which clearly shows the APU (auxiliary power unit – all passenger planes have them) laying a faint trail (in Canada!), before it makes its stupid claim.
Clifford Carnicom forswore Science with his website. From his “USAF lies to America”, to his analysis (from the ground!) of a “chemtrail”, his site is a FARRAGO OF DECEIT. If you had ever made a study of LOGIC or ANALYSIS, you’d KNOW.
“just swipe your finger on random sufaces and hold up to sun and see the metal particals!” – You live in an INDUSTRIALIZED SOCIETY. You should expect CRAP in your air. Learn to spell.
Sorry to disappoint. Here goes:
“antagonistic to empire/super-state comprising pentagon/blah/nasa, why do you think population culling is off the table” – because while it may be possible to blow away a president, and even easy to blow away a nonentity, it becomes very much harder to blow away the vast majority. Wars are a mess, and the only quick and final war would be a nuclear spasm. Poisons and diseases are slow, and have poor coverage. Logistically they are impossible. Practically they don’t work because people can move! Angry people (the ones you’ve missed!) become ferocious opponents. Ask the Germans about the Poles. Talk to Americans about the Vietnamese. To Israeli Jews about Palestinians. The Kurds about Iraqis.
“why not read history as if you were not immune to it” – I have done. It’s the only way to develop an immunity.
“you are a pawn” – I may have been a pawn, but no longer. If necessary I shall simply sail away. If anyone interferes with me I shall interfere with them.
“the industrial age drawing to a close” – Give me strength! There is more industry now than there has ever been. Knowledge hasn’t drawn to a close. Ability hasn’t drawn to a close. Necessity is the mother of invention. Take a look at the Afghans. The Pacific Ring… …China…
“new game in the offing” – Yeah, yeah. Robots blah blah. There’s a great lawnmower and a great vacuum cleaner. Get out the Gray Goo, let’s off the peeps. You haven’t a clue.
“much fewer pawns” – stop reading science fiction and take a look outside. Out, not up! Sorry about the missing caps.
Written by JazzRoc
November 14, 2008 at 1:00 am
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“Who gave these people permission” – Nobody has.
“we are experimenting on a global scale” – “Nobody” IS. EVERYBODY IS.
“This (seeding the central oceans with phytoplankton fertilizer) is a BAD idea” – It’s the BEST IDEA IN YEARS.
“You say that CT’s are disinformation” – WHAT is MORE disinformative than NON-EXISTENCE?
“global warming is the reason” – We’re heading for an ICE AGE! (Or we were, before we burnt 300,000,000 years worth of fossil fuel in 200 years).
“You apparently did work for the government/making your motives questionable” – What do you know of my motives? If I tell you I had a further sixty jobs, does that make a difference? If you question my motives, should I care?
“Global Warming IS DISINFORMATION” – It possibly is; no-one has an equation which everyone can agree on. I take a Gaian point of view: the Living Earth will balance ALL unbalancing forces and/or finally ELIMINATE the unbalancing force. If that’s you, then more the fool you are.
“its a lie, to cover up the real motives at work here” – All men are liars. So are YOU if you pontificate… And as I know quite personally what I think, and also that you don’t know what I think, please allow me to call you a LIAR.
“EVERY SINGLE PLANET is WARMING UP” – True, but many of those planets are DEAD. LIVING PLANETS CAN QUITE EASILY COOL WHEN THEY ARE WARMED BY THE SUN – BY ALTERING THEIR ALBEDO.
“The real reason is OIL” – There IS no “reason”, remember?
“The government/dedicated/oil industry” – You are SUCH a fool. You obviously believe in gov’t conspiracies etc. But HOW did YOU keep WARM this winter? Burnt some CARBON, DID YOU?
“They are not interested in CO2 reduction” – Funnily enough, that doesn’t seem to be true (either), partially because they believe their own propaganda.
“They only want to treat the symptom not the cause” – The CAUSE is YOU. You, me and every other dumb clutz that MUST have a computer, keep warm, go to work, have children, “settle down”, celebrate Xmas, visit the relatives, read a book after sunset….
PERSISTENT CONTRAILS FROM THE FAR PAST
These are PERSISTENT CONTRAILS. One of these pictures is 67 YEARS OLD…
Hi piasillo. No, I’m an ex-engineer retired in Tenerife and composing music. Look me up.
Lung and skin diseases are caused by pollens+auto fumes+photoreactive smog, and can kill the young and old.
1500 active volcanoes (24/7) make Man’s efforts puny by comparison. Living plants have been turning THIS into FRESH AIR for 3 billion years. Worry about auto fumes, photoreactive smog, deforestation, and loss of ocean phytoplankton. Be reasonable.
“in movies up until the 90′s” – You mean, before CHEAP and PLENTIFUL air travel.
“When I was a kid/dissipate” – NOT TRUE. When you were a kid, you weren’t making the (false) connections you are making today. In 1943 the US Flying Fortresses were being shot doen in their HUNDREDS as a consequence of PERSISTENT CONTRAILS!
“Today they stay” – THOUSANDS of large aircraft are ADDING WATER TO THE STRATOSPHERE.
You MIGHT EXPECT the INCREASE in saturation of the stratosphere to produce an INCREASE in the persistence of contrails.
Problems are going to confront our species from time to time.
It is said (by those best qualified to understand the problem) that it was already too late to prevent Global Warming in the seventies, when at that time those best qualified to understand were predicting the onset of the next Ice Age. Ah, well!
Kyoto and its “cap and trade” carbon agreements are threatening to become as much of a disaster as the events it is intended to obviate.
This is possibly because there are other activities which may be carried out which may also be used to prevent disaster, which presently have a very low priority.
a) to adopt measures which help us to adapt to the changing conditions, and
b) to adopt measures which work in the opposite way to global warming, like seeding the sky with droplet nucleii and causing more clouds, thus raising the albedo of the Earth and cooling it, or fertilize the mid-oceans, causing phytoplankton to absorb more CO2.
Watch this, which gives better reasons for cherishing our uniqueness, and gets to the same point:
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Q & A
“finally admit to the spraying of aerosols” – I’m a retired engineer living in Tenerife. I have NO money, and NO income either. Aerosols exist in the air, naturally, from volcanoes and animals and plants. They have been found as high in the atmosphere as any plane has flown. There are NO signs on planes or airfields of unusual (and corrosive!) fluids. Such fluids would make the plane DANGEROUS. Eventually, if not immediately, it would CRASH.
“all u do is debunk the word chemtrail, nothing else” – I’m hurt. On my channel there were 13 musical works. My Favourites were there for you to enjoy, as were my playlists. You could have found me, if you cared to look, on other science forums, discussing internal combustion engine design and arguing FOR Evolution on YT, and you’ll find other video sites, and many other music sites. There were a 1000 hits for me in Google (that’s now 7000, but I’ve amended the text to account from my YouTube ban, and other bans).
“debunk your goverment programming” – That would be the Spanish government? (I live in Tenerife!)
“u will see the truth” – NO-ONE has seen THAT! Certainly not you, you dumb clutz.
“random videos in your channel 2 make it look as though your an average guy” – Gee – thanks! Learn to spell. Then f*** off.
“You have just started doing that as people became suspicious” – Er, NO. If you look up myspace.com/jazzroc you’ll find out MUCH MORE about me, friends, pictures, wedding, classical music, blogs, etc. And check out SoundClick/Beachcomber, you’ll find more, and GarageBand/JazzRoc, and Esnips under Beachcomber/Jazzroc.
All of this PRECEDES my YouTube account.
“Ive talked to many older ppl & NONE remember seeing these” – Free of obsessions they went about their business without looking up…
“”blue light scattering” EVERY SINGLE TIME” – The SUN and the STRATOSPHERE are there EVERY SINGLE TIME, so how could it be otherwise? The Sun has risen over every patch of the Earth (excluding inside of the polar circles) for 4.6 billion years…
“You spooks are professional bullshitters!” – “You” and “are” are the ONLY non-bullshit words in your sentence. I’m just an unemployed and semi-retired person living comfortably in Tenerife… …and you’re DEFINITELY an amateur one…
In fact you seem to make a practice of being WRONG EVERY TIME. Is that YOUR profession? Remember: learn to spell, then…
Chemtrails don’t exist!
The reasoning (that contrails disperse quickly, and that which doesn’t is a chemtrail) is FALSE because SIXTY-FOUR YEARS AGO in WW2 US Flying Fortresses were hunted down by their persistent trails, which are always left in HUMID stratospheric (NB.: NOT tropospheric!) conditions.
The reasoning that Xes and grid patterns signify something proves to be FALSE because it can be easily demonstrated that shuttle traffic and crossing routes create these, and no further significance need be inferred. To go beyond that is to seriously enter the land of Oz.
The reasoning that we are being sprayed proves to be FALSE because the stratosphere (where it is said to occur) is TOO HIGH to target anything accurately, and passenger planes have no apparatus other than fuel dump nozzles to do it with. Engines would STERILIZE “morgellons”, and be PUT OUT by metal powders, so THAT idea is FALSE.
The reasoning that the US government is fighting Global Warming using AL/BA is FALSE because the operation is LOGISTICALLY BEYOND what the US govt can provide both in aircraft, fuel, and material. 3.4 million tons and 70,000 flights would be required for “treatment”…
The reasoning that “morgellons” is being used to depopulate the United States and the rest of the world, aside similar logistic objections (and 2000 deg exhaust temps), is FALSE because NO-ONE in peace-time (except maybe a child/moron!) is going to go out in the morning in protective clothing and spray his own people.
What assurances would they have to accept before they did this?
So now we’ve covered nearly everything, which TOTALLY CRAP idea would you like to RETURN to?
Why don’t you just tell me that “chemtrails” can be easily sampled by placing a tray on the ground? FALSE
It’s all rubbish, and by some accident the proponents have survived this world so far… a world which would have been a far, far better place without this weasel, Clifford Carnicom…
“100′s of chemtrail photos from a one hour period in my local sky” – You live near an airport…
“trails that start and stop for no reason” – FALSE. Stratospheric layers with differing temperatures and humidities.
“linger indefinitely” – The layer is 100% humid.
“grow into WILD feathery or crystalline shapes” – CIRRUS cloud.
“Many were sprayed” – BASELESS LIE.
“normal contrails” – A layer less than 100% humid.
“RESEARCH CHEMTRAILS if you have questions” – And you’ll get LIES for an answer.
If you want TRUTH then you must RESEARCH CONTRAILS. Remember to use ADVANCED SEARCH and “-CHEMTRAILS” if you are genuinely looking for anything sensible…
It’s true. The States needs another political party.
It should be called the RESTITUTION PARTY.
When in power it should lock up the Bush Cabal and throw away the key, then take the USA out of Iraq, apologising as it leaves. It should then disarm its people and hand its useful arms to the UN, thereby paying its bill.
It should then adopt a RENEWABLE FUEL policy, and compensate all the countries whose people it has murdered.
But don’t think that I’m on YOUR side.
I’ll NEVER side with a bunch of ignorant liars who don’t know which side is up when it comes to the nature and the DANGERS of contrails.
The story’s been written – CHICKEN LITTLE!
“the cockpit would be empty” – This technology has been employed by aircraft for FORTY YEARS. What sort of revelation is THAT?
“I have a hard time believing our own people would do this to us” – Of ALL your hypocritical statements this is the best.
“Maybe jazzroc is a pilot?” – I last wanted to be a fighter pilot when I was fifteen. Then I decided I’d rather NOT FLY into danger until it became absolutely necessary. Dating had something to do with it.
“started criss crossing the skys” – Fast-moving and damp and yet TRANSPARENT stratosphere, crossing passenger shuttle routes are WETTING IT. Learn to spell.
“donuts” – Their correct technical name is PENDULES.
“quicker into clouds” – Because they ARE clouds, of FALLING ice crystals. Normally known as CIRRUS.
“It doesn’t matter what you believe” – in the case of SCIENCE, NO it doesn’t!
“darkness/decieve/fool/traitor/poison/nanobots/whatever” – Get that STAKE out and BURN ME.
GenuineBull – “exposers/crime” – “TO ALL OUR CUSTOMERS”. Genuine (can I CALL you Genuine?) I LIKE a guy who gets it out on the table…
“don’t pay JazzRoc A.K.A. (Epoxynous) any mind” – What’s to say? Epoxynous is an individual who co-manages a website in the States, JazzRoc is a retired Welsh gentleman in Tenerife.
“He’s been around a long time” – Yes. I am SIXTY FIVE years old, bass-guitarist, pianist, jet-engine tester, designer, COMPOSER. I, like Orwell, believe that in a time of UNIVERSAL DECEIT the TRUTH is a REVOLUTIONARY ACT (consult my site, also MySpace).
“sole purpose/deceive/cast doubt/not yet woken up” – A TRUTH REVERSAL.
“He believes he will not be judged but he will have his part in the lake of fire” – I’m sorry but I am NOT INTERESTED in things that CANNOT be SEEN, HEARD, SMELLED, TASTED, or FELT. Your mind disgusts me. (Another guy who talks past you).
“idiots who don’t know/difference/contrail/chemtrail/screw off/Hilton/video” – It’s a FREE world, but if you’d rather bash the Bishop I shan’t stop you.
“Don’t bother giving us your textbook explanations” – You? In particular? I’d rather give them to someone rational… it’s the best use for a BOOK.
“have not yet woken up/care about their lives and their loved ones” – Hmmm. Afraid to come out in the open? Agorophobic? The best cure for that is to OPEN THE DOOR, walk outside in to the OPEN AIR and take a BIG, DEEP, BREATH. Go walk the dog… … IT WON’T KILL YOU …
Rick, Harriet, you may think you are caring people, but your activities are contributing to damaging our society from within because the both of you are hopelessly wrong.
Clifford Carnicom is an evil person who should be denounced as a Machiavelli, a malingerer, a pseudo-scientist. You are wrong to give such a person support. He is a true terrorist who is preying upon your scientific and factual ignorance.
Persistent contrails have been known and photographed for sixty-eight years. Skies first turned white (all over) during the high-altitude close-formation 1000-bomber raids conducted by the USAF Flying Fortresses and Liberators over Germany between 1943 and 1945.
Internal combustion engines, whether they are 2,000 BHP radials or 40,000lb thrust gas turbine fanjets, produce carbon dioxide and steam at 2,000 deg F as exhaust products, with minuscule amounts of soot, and oxides of nitrogen and sulfur.
The (invisible!) steam in the exhaust meets stratospheric air at -40 deg F and in a fraction of a second turns to fine ice crystals. Depending on the relative humidity of this stratospheric air, these crystals may (i) sublime to invisible water vapour (ii) persist indefinitely, or (iii) increase in size as they pick up additional water from supersaturated air.
From seven miles beneath it isn’t possible to discern the transition from what you would call “normal” air to “stratospheric” air, for, of course, both types of air are normally transparent. Nor is it possible to distinguish easily whether or not aircraft are sharing the same altitude.
“Stratum” is the Latin for “layer” and might clue you in to the fact that the stratosphere is layered. These layers normally exhibit differing humidities – they do not mix with each other, nor do they mix with the troposphere – the “normal” air beneath the stratosphere. Hence aircraft flying at various heights through the stratosphere may appear to exhibit all three behaviours I have described – all at the same time.
Couple this with the fact that the air of the stratosphere is so cold and thin that its capacity to absorb sublimed ice as water vapor is greatly reduced compared with its capacity at sea level, and modern passenger aircraft are dumping a ton of ice every twenty miles, and it shouldn’t be difficult to envisage that heavy air traffic might fill a stratospheric layer with ice crystals. Each day the Earth’s stratosphere HAS to deal with a fresh load of 1,00,000 tons of jet aircraft ice…
So, “this most evil of assaults” is actually WATER…
Now I’m no fan of the Patriot act, but it seems to me that “this most evil of assaults” (yours!) falls well within its parameters. I should watch it if I were you. Perhaps you should stop what you are doing and pick up a book on atmospheric science and educate yourself before less sympathetic people undertake THEIR newly-drafted responsibilities to educate you. Those orange suits aren’t fetching and taking their “baths” looks uncomfortable.
MY BLOG contains much useful information which may both quell your fears and save the both of you from a lot of trouble.
The WHOLE of the atmosphere ALWAYS contains WATER.
Whether you’re looking at a cloud or at clear air, there’s actually the SAME AMOUNT OF WATER IN BOTH. The difference in visibility between clouds and sky is simply due to their DIFFERING amounts of heat and water droplet proportions. As far as my eye can see there’s a cloudless sky here, and the rel humidity is 65%.
I’m looking at 3,300 tons of invisible WATER in my sky RIGHT NOW.
Written by JazzRoc
October 26, 2008 at 1:00 am
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